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2023 rugsėjo 19 d., 13:11 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 71-72 eilutės:
  • Gyvenimas (Dievo gerumas) yra nusakytas sąlygose, o amžinas gyvenimas (suvokimas, jog Dievas nebūtinai geras) yra nusakytas už sąlygų. Taip išsiskiria apibrėžimas sąlygose (išgyvenimas) ir apibrėžimas už sąlygų (suvokimas).
2022 rugsėjo 29 d., 12:11 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 66-68 eilutės iš

Day of Judgment

Andrius: God will account for himself. He will silence those who account for him. This is the logic and the story of the Book of Job, when he silenced Job's friends and responded to Job and rewarded him. He will be separate from the good, and not reduced to it. And this is eternal life. And this day is brought on by the innocent victims who require justice. This is the message of the Book of Revelations. For God is a borrower who borrows from those to whom he gives.

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Paskutinis teismas

  • Dievas atsakys už save. Jisai nutildys visus, kurie atsakinėjo už jį, kaip kad Jobo knygoje, kurios pabaigoje jisai nutildė Jobo draugus, atsiliepė į Jobą ir jį apdovanojo.
  • Dievas atskirs save nuo gerumo ir nebus prilygintas gerumui.
  • Paskutinį teismą iššauks nekaltieji reikalaujantys teisingumo, kaip išpranašauti Apreiškimo knygoje.
  • Dievas yra skolininkas kuris skolinasi iš tų, kuriems jisai yra davęs.
2022 rugsėjo 29 d., 11:20 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 35-36 eilutės:

Pasigedimas Dievo

  • Mūsų sąlygose Dievas gali nebūti - jisai viską gali - ir galim su juo ryšio neturėti, kaip kad Kristus ant kryžiaus, kada kentė, "Dieve, kodėl mane apleidai?"
Pridėta 50 eilutė:
  • Jeigu neprimetame Dievui gerumo, tai jo gerumas yra tiesiog jo būdo raiška mūsų aplinkybėse, taip kad Dievas ir gerumas yra atskirti, ir mes patys esame pakilę virš aplinkybių, kaip kad amžinu gyvenimu.
Pridėta 57 eilutė:
  • Amžinas gyvenimas parodo santvarką skiriančią Dievą už mūsų ir Dievą mumyse ir tarpus tarp jų. Taip yra kuomet Dievas mumyse ir Dievas už mūsų vienas kitą stebi. Kad galėtų vienas kitą stebėti, privalo būti atskirti nuo vienas kito.
Ištrintos 64-114 eilutės:
  • Mūsų sąlygose Dievas gali nebūti - jisai viską gali - ir galim su juo ryšio neturėti, kaip kad Kristus ant kryžiaus, kada kentė, "Dieve, kodėl mane apleidai?"
  • Jeigu neprimetame Dievui gerumo, tai jo gerumas yra tiesiog jo būdo raiška mūsų aplinkybėse, taip kad Dievas ir gerumas yra atskirti, ir mes patys esame pakilę virš aplinkybių, kaip kad amžinu gyvenimu.
  • Amžinas gyvenimas parodo santvarką skiriančią Dievą už mūsų ir Dievą mumyse ir tarpus tarp jų. Taip yra kuomet Dievas mumyse ir Dievas už mūsų vienas kitą stebi. Kad galėtų vienas kitą stebėti, privalo būti atskirti nuo vienas kito.

I offer my definition of "eternal life".

I suggest that "God's love", in the sense that Frank Mosca points to, is a fruitful concept that we might first locate within our own minds, and then learn more by considering its implications for the CTMU.

I imagine that, above all, the CTMU is a hypothesis that our minds and the universe and all self-standing systems are structurally the same, when they are fully realized as to their potential. I suppose that is to say that metaphorical thinking is valid. For example, in Plato's Republic, Socrates compares the human soul with an entire city-state, and analyzes the state so as to draw conclusions about the soul.

This hypothesis lets us choose the system that we study so as to be able to explore the questions that we are interested in. The physical world is an amazing place to consider isolated, reproducible interactions at a variety of scales. A city-state is a helpful organism for considering how different outlooks structure themselves with regard to each other. I imagine that our own human lives are the domains where we have our best intuition as to how everything comes together as a whole. It is natural and appropriate to "anthropomorphize", to think as a human, when we try to grasp the meaning of it all, and anyways, that is the outlook from which we need to make sense of it all, in the end. But this is valid when we do so in the sense of a self-standing human because that is when the metaphor definitely holds. We are brought up not to consider ourselves as self-standing (think of the oddness of Jesus' "I Am" or the self-centeredness of an infant). However, we can imagine God's outlook and thereby escape the social realities that we have consented to. Perhaps God is sufficiently important to us as simply the ever present possibility (and through the historical Jesus, an actuality, and the Creator, a necessity) that we may imagine and access a self-standing perspective (a Why).

From this view, it is valid to sketch out conclusions based on our aesthetic sense (what idea we find most beautiful, what we would like to believe) that is also faithful to the facts that we find. For our aesthetic sense is, I imagine, a faculty onto a self-standing system that it relates us to. The conclusion which is most beautiful is the one that is true. That is, I think, the purpose of our aesthetic sense. The facts are there, apparently, to force us to unfold, enrich our aesthetics. They are like dust on panes of glass that let us see the glass even as we see through it. In general, I suppose, our aesthetic sense tends towards the minimal solution.

2022 rugsėjo 29 d., 11:09 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėta 25 eilutė:
  • Dievo ir gerumo atskyrimas. Nesutampa už santvarkos.
Pridėta 27 eilutė:
  • Atskirdami gerumą (sąlygose) ir Dievą (nebūtinai sąlygose) įžvelgiame Dievo pirmenybę gerumo atžvilgiu. Svarbiau, kad būtų Dievas, o ne gerumas.
Pridėtos 29-32 eilutės:
  • Gerumo dažnai nėra, bet tai jau gal ne Dievo, o mūsų reikalas juo pasirūpinti.
  • Kas aklai tvirtina, kad "Dievas yra geras", tas daug kam abejingas, tas šiaip gyvena ir miršta, o kas nuoširdžiai mato, jog dažnai kol kas anksti tvirtinti, koks Dievas, tas jau čia ir dabar amžinai bręsta, kad Dievas iš tiesų būtų geras.

Dvasios lygmuo amžino gyvenimo stulpelyje

  • Amžinas gyvenimas yra dvasia, jo sandara yra išmintis. Išminties atvaizdai, tai gera valia, kurią nusako 4x2 gėrio kryptys. Jų vieningumas yra Dievo valia.
Pakeistos 64-68 eilutės iš

Amžinas gyvenimas

  • Amžinas gyvenimas yra dvasia, jo sandara yra išmintis. Išminties atvaizdai, tai gera valia, kurią nusako 4x2 gėrio kryptys. Jų vieningumas yra Dievo valia.
  • Amžinas gyvenimas yra Dievo ir gerumo atskyrimas. Nesutampa už santvarkos.
  • Suvokimas, tai atskyrimas ir išskyrimas.
  • Atskirdami gerumą (sąlygose) ir Dievą (nebūtinai sąlygose) įžvelgiame Dievo pirmenybę gerumo atžvilgiu. Svarbiau, kad būtų Dievas, o ne gerumas.
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Pakeistos 66-72 eilutės iš
  • Gerumo dažnai nėra, bet tai jau gal ne Dievo, o mūsų reikalas juo pasirūpinti.
  • Kas aklai tvirtina, kad "Dievas yra geras", tas daug kam abejingas, tas šiaip gyvena ir miršta, o kas nuoširdžiai mato, jog dažnai kol kas anksti tvirtinti, koks Dievas, tas jau čia ir dabar amžinai bręsta, kad Dievas iš tiesų būtų geras.
  • If we do not presume that God is good, then his goodness is simply his explicit nature within our context, and so God and good are separate, and we ourselves are raised above context, as in EternalLife.
  • Eternal life is making evident the system that separates God outside of us, and God within us, and the gaps in between. This is when God within us and God beyond us observe each other. In order to observe each other, they must be separate from each other.
į:
  • Jeigu neprimetame Dievui gerumo, tai jo gerumas yra tiesiog jo būdo raiška mūsų aplinkybėse, taip kad Dievas ir gerumas yra atskirti, ir mes patys esame pakilę virš aplinkybių, kaip kad amžinu gyvenimu.
  • Amžinas gyvenimas parodo santvarką skiriančią Dievą už mūsų ir Dievą mumyse ir tarpus tarp jų. Taip yra kuomet Dievas mumyse ir Dievas už mūsų vienas kitą stebi. Kad galėtų vienas kitą stebėti, privalo būti atskirti nuo vienas kito.
2022 rugsėjo 29 d., 10:57 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeista 15 eilutė iš:

Amžinai bręsti ar šiaip gyventi

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Amžinai bręsti ar šiaip gyventi

2022 rugsėjo 29 d., 10:57 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėta 26 eilutė:
  • "Dievas nebūtinai geras; gyvenimas nebūtinai teisingas", tai, kiek žinau, sunkiausia ir prasmingiausia tiesa, apie kurią, manau, Jėzus kalbėjo, sakydamas, "Dar daugel jums turėčiau kalbėti, bet dabar jūs negalite pakelti."
Pakeistos 66-67 eilutės iš
  • "Dievas nebūtinai geras; gyvenimas nebūtinai teisingas", tai, kiek žinau, sunkiausia ir prasmingiausia tiesa, apie kurią, manau, Jėzus kalbėjo, sakydamas, "Dar daugel jums turėčiau kalbėti, bet dabar jūs negalite pakelti."
  • Dievo žvilgsnis (visko žinojimas) yra išmintis, Dievo požiūris (visko nežinojimas) yra gera valia, Dievo valia (visko įsisąmonijimas).
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Pakeista 69 eilutė iš:
  • Amžinas gyvenimas, išmintis, gera valia, Dievo valia yra Dievo nežinojimai, juk atsiremia į mūsų laisvę.
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2022 rugsėjo 29 d., 10:54 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 15-16 eilutės:

Amžinai bręsti ar šiaip gyventi

Pridėta 25 eilutė:
  • Suvokimas, kad Dievas nebūtinai geras, atveria galimybę ne šiaip gyventi ir mirti, o amžinai bręsti, vis naujai dalyvauti Dievo tyrime, ar jisai būtinas?
Ištrinta 58 eilutė:
  • Amžinas gyvenimas yra suvokimas, jog Dievas nebūtinai geras.
Ištrinta 59 eilutė:
  • Dievas nebūtinai geras! Ši mintis sunki bet teisinga ir visų svarbiausia. Ji atveria galimybę ne šiaip gyventi ir mirti, o amžinai bręsti, vis naujai dalyvauti Dievo tyrime, ar jisai būtinas? Apie tai rašiau pranešimą, Amžinai bręsti ar šiaip gyventi.
2022 rugsėjo 29 d., 10:52 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 27-28 eilutės iš
  • Gyvenimas Dievu. Suvedame nežinantį, tiriantį Dievą - jo dvasią - ir mūsų savastį, būklę, aplinkybes, įskaitant mūsų ryšį su atmintimi, bendryste, visuomene, pasauliu.
į:
  • Suvedame nežinantį, tiriantį Dievą - jo dvasią - ir mūsų savastį, būklę, aplinkybes, įskaitant mūsų ryšį su atmintimi, bendryste, visuomene, pasauliu.
  • Dievo laisvė, jo atskirtumas nuo sąlygų, nuo gerumo.
Pridėta 37 eilutė:
  • Amžinas gyvenimas yra sąmonės ir pasąmonės išskyrimas ir sugretinimas, pasąmonės išsakymo sąmone. Užtat yra sveika įsimylėti nes būtent pasąmonė įsimyli. Gyvenimo tikslas - gyvenimo reikalas - yra vis naujai išskirti sąmonę ir pasąmonę, nežinojimą ir žinojimą, sugebėti gyventi vis naujais klausimais. Meilė yra tasai teisingas papildymo santykis tarp sąmonės ir pasąmonės. Meilė išplečia laisve gryną priešpriešą tarp nežinojimo ir žinojimo.
Pakeistos 52-53 eilutės iš
  • Amžinas gyvenimas yra Dievo laisvė, jo atskirtumas nuo sąlygų, nuo gerumo.
  • Amžinas gyvenimas yra sąmonės ir pasąmonės išskyrimas. Užtat yra sveika įsimylėti nes būtent pasąmonė įsimyli. Gyvenimo tikslas - gyvenimo reikalas - yra vis naujai išskirti sąmonę ir pasąmonę, nežinojimą ir žinojimą, sugebėti gyventi vis naujais klausimais. Meilė yra tasai teisingas papildymo santykis tarp sąmonės ir pasąmonės. Meilė išplečia laisve gryną priešpriešą tarp nežinojimo ir žinojimo.
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2022 balandžio 09 d., 14:57 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 53-55 eilutės iš

Dievas trokšta viso gerumo

I share my thoughts that "God seeks ALL good" and therefore allows for bad whenever there is related good. I offer my definition of "eternal life". I suggest that "God's love", in the sense that Frank Mosca points to, is a fruitful concept that we might first locate within our own minds, and then learn more by considering its implications for the CTMU.

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Amžinas gyvenimas

  • Amžinas gyvenimas yra dvasia, jo sandara yra išmintis. Išminties atvaizdai, tai gera valia, kurią nusako 4x2 gėrio kryptys. Jų vieningumas yra Dievo valia.
  • Amžinas gyvenimas yra suvokimas, jog Dievas nebūtinai geras.
  • Amžinas gyvenimas yra Dievo ir gerumo atskyrimas. Nesutampa už santvarkos.
  • Dievas nebūtinai geras! Ši mintis sunki bet teisinga ir visų svarbiausia. Ji atveria galimybę ne šiaip gyventi ir mirti, o amžinai bręsti, vis naujai dalyvauti Dievo tyrime, ar jisai būtinas? Apie tai rašiau pranešimą, Amžinai bręsti ar šiaip gyventi.
  • Suvokimas, tai atskyrimas ir išskyrimas.
  • Atskirdami gerumą (sąlygose) ir Dievą (nebūtinai sąlygose) įžvelgiame Dievo pirmenybę gerumo atžvilgiu. Svarbiau, kad būtų Dievas, o ne gerumas.
  • Mūsų sąlygose Dievas gali nebūti - jisai viską gali - ir galim su juo ryšio neturėti, kaip kad Kristus ant kryžiaus, kada kentė, "Dieve, kodėl mane apleidai?"
  • Gerumo dažnai nėra, bet tai jau gal ne Dievo, o mūsų reikalas juo pasirūpinti.
  • Kas aklai tvirtina, kad "Dievas yra geras", tas daug kam abejingas, tas šiaip gyvena ir miršta, o kas nuoširdžiai mato, jog dažnai kol kas anksti tvirtinti, koks Dievas, tas jau čia ir dabar amžinai bręsta, kad Dievas iš tiesų būtų geras.
  • "Dievas nebūtinai geras; gyvenimas nebūtinai teisingas", tai, kiek žinau, sunkiausia ir prasmingiausia tiesa, apie kurią, manau, Jėzus kalbėjo, sakydamas, "Dar daugel jums turėčiau kalbėti, bet dabar jūs negalite pakelti."
  • Dievo žvilgsnis (visko žinojimas) yra išmintis, Dievo požiūris (visko nežinojimas) yra gera valia, Dievo valia (visko įsisąmonijimas).
  • If we do not presume that God is good, then his goodness is simply his explicit nature within our context, and so God and good are separate, and we ourselves are raised above context, as in EternalLife.
  • Amžinas gyvenimas, išmintis, gera valia, Dievo valia yra Dievo nežinojimai, juk atsiremia į mūsų laisvę.
  • Eternal life is making evident the system that separates God outside of us, and God within us, and the gaps in between. This is when God within us and God beyond us observe each other. In order to observe each other, they must be separate from each other.

I offer my definition of "eternal life".

I suggest that "God's love", in the sense that Frank Mosca points to, is a fruitful concept that we might first locate within our own minds, and then learn more by considering its implications for the CTMU.

2022 balandžio 09 d., 14:02 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Ištrintos 93-186 eilutės:

For example, in suburban Orange County, California, in many ways a real utopia, I grew up thinking that evil is just a misunderstanding. It was only when I lived for several summers in Soviet-occupied Lithuania - in a different culture outside my own - that I saw evil. I saw a system designed to corrupt people, to break their spirit, and to enroll them. I saw that people were choosing - some to participate in that, succumb to it, take up its outlook, and others to stand up to that system. But the participants - the dissidents themselves - would say that those KGB officers were just victims, too. Living within their own culture, they could not see that, actually, they were all making choices which were relevant as to why some ended up as dissidents, and some ended up as tyrants. When I lived or stayed in different cultures, and felt the logic of segregation in Chicago, or the castes in Bangalore, then I could see it there, too. And I could start to understand why somebody might speak of a demon as afflicting a drug-addict, as if using them for a nest or shell, or a curse that one might physically feel upon crossing a street that is all-black on one side and all-white on the other, or an invisible wall that keeps one human from making eye contact and makes another confident to do so. Finally, I could step a bit outside of my own native culture and realize the struggle taking place that Chris describes, and that we're all part of it. All of this to point to the empirical and visceral reality of evil as a system that seeks to trap us into a hell of manipulations.

Aesthetically, what might be the purpose of such evil? What does that suggest about God? Especially if, aesthetically, we wish to believe that God is good?

For me, the simplest answer is that God seeks ALL good. Aesthetically, there must be at least some good which there could be without any bad. This is to say that good is greater than bad. That although they are opposites, in some way, good is marked as the relevant one, the self-standing one. Good allows for bad, perhaps requires bad, but yet stands on its own, independently of bad. Slack is a structure which models this. We imagine slack as either increasing or decreasing. They are both slack. But decreasing slack exhausts itself, whereas increasing slack does not. They are both "good" and are both representations of the underlying "good", and yet, as opposites, one is good and the other is bad.

To say that "God seeks ALL good" means that what's important to God is good, not bad. God is willing to introduce a lot of bad if that's what it takes to have an extra bit of good. He wants ALL of it - he is a megalomaniac. If we think of Scripture as a self-standing body of wisdom that is greater than our own minds, that stretches our minds beyond the strictures of logic, and opens our minds to our full ability, then we see examples of this: the shepherd who risks the 99 sheep to go out and find the 1 lost sheep.

The practical utility of this position is that wherever we see bad, there must be good that required it, and so we can look for that good and reinterpret in terms of it. But we do not have to leave the good and look for related bad, as there need not be any. Indeed, we can leave our own good and go beyond ourselves to give slack, to allow for bad and also good - to increase slack so that slack might decrease. And we can learn to do that effectively - don't do good in ways that set us up to feel bad or do bad where we'd regret that - give just a little bit of slack, as that is all it takes - and be creative and ready to always give it - and discover new dimensions in which to give it.

In this way we are participating in God's work to pull all the good together so that it's clear that it all is definitely good. We're making his life easier, we're sharing an aesthetic. If he doesn't do it through us, then he'll have to do it through somebody else, and why? We choose whether we want to be unravelers or simply unraveled. We live forever as unravelers if we help with the unraveling.

I like the thought which came up (was it Chris? or Franz?) that purpose (Why) is what we can introduce at any point to bring out moral implications. The perspective Why - an external reason, not simply an internal reason How - is what makes any system just as important as any other as a reference point. The perspective Why is that which presents it as self-standing and thus able to participate in the metaphors which link all such systems. Allowing for an answer, Why open us to integration with other systems.

In thinking about the mind, I am familiar with a division of everything into four perspectives: whether, what, how, why. I find this structure to have two representations. We may think them in terms of an observer, as questions: Whether? What? How? Why? Or we may think of them in terms of an observed, as answers: Whether! What! How! Why! In terms of the idealism of the observer, Why? is most important, and Whether? seems inconsequential, whereas in terms of the materialism of the observed, Whether! is most substantial, and Why! seems inconsequential.

I suppose that evil arises when a system is not open to integration with other systems yet takes itself as self-standing. It doesn't need a Why!. I suppose it is supported by an idealism that doesn't need a Whether?, that is willing to go along with whatever.

I think that we need to open ourselves to allow for straddling at all four levels, so that Observer and Observed might see through us, as through those panes of glass.

2022 balandžio 09 d., 13:48 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Ištrintos 187-273 eilutės:

Šiaip gyvenimas ir amžinas gyvenimas

I would like to write more about "life" and "eternal life" as opposites, much like "decreasing slack" and "increasing slack". Briefly, we may think of life as the goodness of God (or structurally, anything is everything plus slack). But, as I read in the Gospel of John, eternal life is understanding the goodness of God. To understand the goodness of God is to keep the two concepts separate, to recognize good and God as independent concepts, and not to assume that they are related. Unfortunately, so often we presume that God is good. That is very harmful because it diminishes what God means to us. In our lives, we can testify to many injustices which have yet to be fixed. It is too early for us as witnesses to say that God is good. The facts aren't in yet! And to claim to know that God is good is to make him unreal. If we look forwards, outwards, then we think in terms of increasing slack, that yes, perhaps in the very end God is good, and yet there is an eternity of possibility for him to have that be so. God is not constrained by good, he does not have to be good, it is up to him whether he is. By presuming his goodness, we are constraining him, our narrow little minds are binding him to good, and we are therefore looking backwards. Our lives are finite, and we can explain away everything in them, until there is nothing left, and we have death.

I find it helpful to recognize that I, as a human, find it hard enough to wish for my own "life". In general, we tend to tune ourselves out, to diminish ourselves, to be unsuccessful, to dissipate ourselves, to walk away from our life. And so "eternal life" isn't even relevant. Scripture inspires me that it is not my wish, but God's wish that I live forever. If we define "love" as "support of life" (to love X = to support the life of X), then it is God's love for us that makes for eternal life. That is what God wants for us, not what we want for ourselves. If we understand life, if we understand the goodness of God, and if we disentangle the concepts of God and good, then we can look forwards, we can appreciate the reality of life so far, and we can be open to all the wrongs so far that may be yet redeemed, and all the many good things left that might come. We can and do live this "eternal life" now when we choose to allow for the open question of God's goodness and participate as a player - when we are sensitive, responsive, engaged. And we choose "death" when, alternatively, we consider it all closed and let that logic unravel any slack we have.

I liked very much Frank Mosca's letters. I think that the relation between "love" and "life" is very much that kind of give and take, that slack between structure and activity, which we may aesthetically ascribe to God with regard to us. And I am thinking that, just as we ought to shift from focusing on "life" to "eternal life" as I sketch above, but so we might shift from "love" (support of life as we might see it) to "God's love" (support of our life as the eternal life that he cares about).

If we live the open-ended outlook of eternal life, then I think that the CTMU might say that such an outlook can't be snapped by any physical events. Instead, we take our outlook with us, and all of our life which it connects to, into a broader reinterpretation that is open to connect with other such. Our life can be stopped only if we restrict ourselves to a closed outlook which, sadly, is the one that our society presumes upon us, and the one that would have us be reduced to nothing more than that which we have already been. The proof, so to speak, is that we are able to have an outlook "eternal life" which is not what we ourselves want, but what is given to us nonetheless, and which connects the unfolding future to our openness to it, so that it has a stake in our being ever alive, and we're able to drag the "real world" along with us, "uncollapsed" I suppose. The Psalmist clings to God's glory, for if his fate is tied to God's glory, then he will ever be alive.

In summary, I think that God would not be attractive if he might might forbid some good because it would also bring bad. I think that we, as systems, open ourselves and break out of evil by allowing for the question Whether? and the answer Why! as they naturally transcend us. Allowing for an answer Why! makes our question Why? meaningful, and allowing for a question Whether? makes our answer Whether! meaningful. We can thereby open ourselves to integration by that which is truly bigger than us, so that it might peer through us, see itself through us, and so live through us.

I think that the nature of life continuing openly, uncollapsed by physical events, is a question that we might apply the CTMU to, especially in defining further, what is life? We might be able to show what structures and activities in this world are actually relevant to that broader world. We might engineer bridges back and forth with that broader world, perhaps through prayer and good deeds. This might also have application to our health care systems. I look forward to exploring connections between the CTMU and my own quest "to know everything and apply that usefully". I'm especially stirred by Frank's letters on what I might think of as God's love. Here is my current attempt at an Overview of how everything unfolds.

2022 balandžio 09 d., 13:43 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Ištrintos 51-72 eilutės:

Amžinas gyvenimas ir gyvenimas

  • Amžinas gyvenimas vyksta dviprasmybėje, o gyvenimas vienareikšmiškas, tad veda į mirtį. Mirtis iškyla derinant gyvenimą ir amžiną gyvenimą.
  • Gyvenimas sieja jautrumą ir atliepumą, o amžinas gyvenimas juos atskiria.
  • Gyvenimas: jautrumas, tada atliepiamumas. Amžinas gyvenimas, tai atvirkščiai: nusistatymas, tada atsidavimas. Tai kūryba. Tai aštuntas požiūris. O gyvenimą apibrėžia septynerybė, septynios apytakos, kūno sistemos, tai tapatumai, besikartojanti veikla. O kūryba, tai netapatumas, tai nesikartoja, o plėtojasi.
  • Dviprasmybė yra brandos sąlyga. Juk keičiamės ir išliekames tas pats. Palyginti su prasmingais išgyvenimais, su pradiniu ir galutiniu asmeniu ir su meile, kurios palaikomas asmuo gali atsisakyti savęs.
  • atsiskleisti

Gyvenimo lygtyje

Amžiną gyvenimą (ir ypač šuolius bei sąmonės išsiskaidymus, vieningumus) išsako asmenų lygties lygmenys:

  • Dievo valia: Šuolis tarp troškimo ir išgyvenimo lygmenų.
    • dešimt Dievo įsakymų? ženklų savybės? dvejonės (ir gvildenimai)? nesusivedimai? pertvarkymai?
    • kalbomis? išorinio požiūrio įsisavinimu vidiniu požiūriu, tad dangaus karalystės suvokimą žmoniškoje apimtyje
    • visumine santvarka? pertvarkymais
  • gera valia, jos rodymu: Šuoliu, tarpu, tarp žmonių.
    • išgyvenimų rūšys, gėrio kryptys, Kristaus pamokymai?
  • išmintimi: Šuoliu iš vienos savasties į kitą savastį per trečią savastį, papildinį
    • paskiras išgyvenimas, laipsnynas
  • Tiek gyvenimas, tiek amžinas gyvenimas yra čia ir dabar, tad galim rinktis. Amžinas gyvenimas yra platesnis nes apima pradžią ir pabaigą.
2022 balandžio 09 d., 13:22 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 9-10 eilutės iš
  • Kaip deri gyvenimas ir amžinas gyvenimas?
į:
  • Naujai peržiūrėti Jėzaus mintis šv.Jono evangelijoje apie amžiną gyvenimą.
2022 balandžio 01 d., 20:14 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 302-303 eilutės iš

Gyvenimas įdomus, kad vis nežinai, kas bus toliau. O ko daugiau žinai, to labiau nežinai, kas bus toliau ir to įdomiau.

į:

Gyvenimas įdomus, kad vis nežinai, kas bus toliau. O ko daugiau žinai, to labiau nežinai, kas bus toliau ir to įdomiau.


2021 lapkričio 30 d., 17:53 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėta 49 eilutė:
  • Amžinas gyvenimas yra Dievo laisvė, jo atskirtumas nuo sąlygų, nuo gerumo.
2021 lapkričio 24 d., 13:53 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 69-71 eilutės:
  • Tiek gyvenimas, tiek amžinas gyvenimas yra čia ir dabar, tad galim rinktis. Amžinas gyvenimas yra platesnis nes apima pradžią ir pabaigą.
2021 rugsėjo 01 d., 15:50 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 48-49 eilutės:
  • Amžinas gyvenimas yra sąmonės ir pasąmonės išskyrimas. Užtat yra sveika įsimylėti nes būtent pasąmonė įsimyli. Gyvenimo tikslas - gyvenimo reikalas - yra vis naujai išskirti sąmonę ir pasąmonę, nežinojimą ir žinojimą, sugebėti gyventi vis naujais klausimais. Meilė yra tasai teisingas papildymo santykis tarp sąmonės ir pasąmonės. Meilė išplečia laisve gryną priešpriešą tarp nežinojimo ir žinojimo.
2021 gegužės 26 d., 10:24 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Ištrinta 8 eilutė:
2021 gegužės 26 d., 10:24 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 8-12 eilutės:
  • Kaip deri gyvenimas ir amžinas gyvenimas?

2021 kovo 11 d., 21:22 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeista 3 eilutė iš:
į:
2018 lapkričio 01 d., 10:52 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 18-19 eilutės:

Suvokimas, kad mūsų kertinė vertybė nepakankama.

  • Sąmoningėjimas, aštuongubo kelio klausimais vis praplėčiantis mūsų kertinę vertybę, tad mus amžinai brandinantis.
2018 rugsėjo 18 d., 11:41 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 11-12 eilutės:

Amžinas gyvenimas išsakomas šešiais atvaizdais - keturiais asmenimis (apimtimis), taip pat suvokimu (didėjančiu laisvumu) ir susiklausymu (mažėjančiu laisvumu).

2018 rugsėjo 18 d., 11:40 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeista 28 eilutė iš:
  • Amžinas gyvenimas leidžia žmogui apsisukti.
į:
  • Tavimi matome Dievą. Amžinas gyvenimas leidžia žmogui apsisukti ir žiūrėti ne į Dievą, o su Dievu. Amžinas gyvenimas leidžia priimti Tavo požiūrį.
2018 rugsėjo 18 d., 11:38 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėta 28 eilutė:
  • Amžinas gyvenimas leidžia žmogui apsisukti.
2018 rugsėjo 18 d., 11:33 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Ištrintos 11-17 eilutės:

Amžinas gyvenimas yra

  • gyvenimas nežinojimu (amžinu gyvenimu - sąmone). Tuo tarpu šiaip gyvename žinojimu (paprastu gyvenimu - pasąmone). Sąmonė šias dvi pasaulėžiūras tobulai sulygina. Minčių sodo bendrystė skiepija nežinojimą kas esame, kaip esame ir kodėl esame.
  • is what we choose and thereby open ourselves to God, so that he lives through us as GodTheFather and GodTheSon and GodTheSpirit and then there is BeingOneWith through us
  • atvirumas tam, kas už mus didesnis, ir šis pasirinkimas yra pagrindas buvimui viena
  • Nežinojimo pilnatvės dvejopas požiūris: Besąlygiškas nieko nežinojimas ir sąlygiškas visko žinojimas.
Ištrintos 15-17 eilutės:

Gyvenimas Savimi: Amžina branda, čia ir dabar.

  • Amžina branda - amžinai mokytis, lavintis, ugdytis, bręsti, gyventi - čia ir dabar
  • Daugiau nė tik amžinybė.
Pridėtos 22-33 eilutės:
  • Nežinojimo pilnatvės dvejopas požiūris: Besąlygiškas nieko nežinojimas ir sąlygiškas visko žinojimas.

Gyvenimas Savimi: Amžina branda, čia ir dabar.

  • Amžina branda - amžinai mokytis, lavintis, ugdytis, bręsti, gyventi - čia ir dabar
  • Gyvenimas laisve, tad dorove, kaip turėtumėme elgtis.
  • Daugiau nė tik amžinybė.

Gyvenimas Tavimi: Gyvenimas klausimais. Žiūrėjimas ne į Dievą, o su Dievu.

  • Pasaulį (pasąmonės tinklą) įtakoja ir jame atsispindi kažkas už jį daugiau.
  • Atvirumas tam, kas už mus didesnis, ir šis pasirinkimas yra pagrindas buvimui viena.
  • Gyvenimas nežinojimu (amžinu gyvenimu - sąmone). Tuo tarpu šiaip gyvename žinojimu (paprastu gyvenimu - pasąmone). Sąmonė šias dvi pasaulėžiūras tobulai sulygina. Minčių sodo bendrystė skiepija nežinojimą kas esame, kaip esame ir kodėl esame.
  • Mūsų pasirinkimas, kuriuo atsiveriame Dievui, taip kad jisai gyven mumis kaip Dievas Tėvas, Dievas Sūnus ir Dievas Dvasia ir mumis esame viena.

Gyvenimas Kitu: Šviesuolių bendrystė.

  • Išmokymas gyventi kitais. Atsisakymas savęs, savo prielaidų, kaip kad Dievas atsisako. Savęs nežinojimas.
Ištrintos 38-42 eilutės:

Gyvenimas Kitu: Šviesuolių bendrystė.

  • Išmokymas gyventi kitais. Atsisakymas savęs, savo prielaidų, kaip kad Dievas atsisako. Savęs nežinojimas.

Gyvenimas Tavimi: Žiūrėjimas ne į Dievą, o su Dievu.

  • Pasaulį (pasąmonės tinklą) įtakoja ir jame atsispindi kažkas už jį daugiau.
2018 rugsėjo 18 d., 11:27 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Ištrintos 12-13 eilutės:
  • suvokimas Dievo gerumo, tai yra, suvokimas, jog Dievas nebūtinai geras.
  • amžina branda - amžinai mokytis, lavintis, ugdytis, bręsti, gyventi - čia ir dabar
Ištrinta 13 eilutė:
  • žmogaus išėjimas už savęs į neapibrėžtumą, jo išlikimas neapibrėžtume, taip kad esame viena neapibrėžtume.
Pakeista 16 eilutė iš:
  • vieningumo buvimas už santvarkos
į:
Pakeistos 20-21 eilutės iš
  • Jisai grindžia gyvenimo lygtį.
į:
  • Suvokimas Dievo gerumo, tai yra, suvokimas, jog Dievas nebūtinai geras.
  • Šis suvokimas grindžia gyvenimo lygtį.
Pakeistos 23-24 eilutės iš
  • Amžina branda, čia ir dabar.

Dievo išsipildymas

į:

Gyvenimas Savimi: Amžina branda, čia ir dabar.

  • Amžina branda - amžinai mokytis, lavintis, ugdytis, bręsti, gyventi - čia ir dabar
  • Daugiau nė tik amžinybė.

Gyvenimas Dievu: Dievo išsipildymas

Pridėta 28 eilutė:
  • Gyvenimas Dievu. Suvedame nežinantį, tiriantį Dievą - jo dvasią - ir mūsų savastį, būklę, aplinkybes, įskaitant mūsų ryšį su atmintimi, bendryste, visuomene, pasauliu.
Pakeista 32 eilutė iš:

Gyvenimas susiklausymu

į:

Gyvenimas Visais: Gyvenimas susiklausymu

Pakeistos 35-37 eilutės iš
  • Gyvenimas Dievu. Suvedame nežinantį, tiriantį Dievą - jo dvasią - ir mūsų savastį, būklę, aplinkybes, įskaitant mūsų ryšį su atmintimi, bendryste, visuomene, pasauliu.
į:
  • Vieningumo buvimas už santvarkos
  • Žmogaus išėjimas už savęs į neapibrėžtumą, jo išlikimas neapibrėžtume, taip kad esame viena neapibrėžtume.

Gyvenimas Kitu: Šviesuolių bendrystė.

Pakeistos 39-41 eilutės iš
  • Šviesuolių bendrystė.
  • Daugiau nė tik amžinybė.

Žiūrėjimas ne į Dievą, o su Dievu.

į:

Gyvenimas Tavimi: Žiūrėjimas ne į Dievą, o su Dievu.

2018 rugsėjo 18 d., 11:18 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 20-40 eilutės iš
  • daugiau nė tik amžinybė
į:
  • Nežinojimo pilnatvės dvejopas požiūris: Besąlygiškas nieko nežinojimas ir sąlygiškas visko žinojimas.

Suvokimas, kad Dievas nebūtinai geras.

  • Jisai grindžia gyvenimo lygtį.
  • Atotrūkis tarp besąlygiško Dievo ir gerumo sąlygose.
  • Amžina branda, čia ir dabar.

Dievo išsipildymas

  • Visais laikais bevykstantis Dievo (ir kartu visko) visokeriopas išsipildymas būtent mumis, mūsų bendryste, mūsų vienumu, sąmonės ir ypač pasąmonės.
  • Dievo Tėvo valia.
  • Dievo valios dvasia, šaltinis. Amžino gyvenimo sandara yra išmintis, atvaizdai yra gėrio kryptys (gera širdis ir gera valia), o esmė yra Dievo valia.
  • Visko raiška, tad ir visko išsakymas.

Gyvenimas susiklausymu

  • Visų skirtingų asmenų (Dievo, Mano, Tavo, Kito) susiklausymo, jų vienumo aplinkybės.
  • Ką vienumas (viskas) išgyvena.
  • Gyvenimas Dievu. Suvedame nežinantį, tiriantį Dievą - jo dvasią - ir mūsų savastį, būklę, aplinkybes, įskaitant mūsų ryšį su atmintimi, bendryste, visuomene, pasauliu.
  • Išmokymas gyventi kitais. Atsisakymas savęs, savo prielaidų, kaip kad Dievas atsisako. Savęs nežinojimas.
  • Šviesuolių bendrystė.
  • Daugiau nė tik amžinybė.

Žiūrėjimas ne į Dievą, o su Dievu.

  • Pasaulį (pasąmonės tinklą) įtakoja ir jame atsispindi kažkas už jį daugiau.
2018 rugsėjo 18 d., 11:01 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeista 16 eilutė iš:
  • is that Person goes beyond himself, and is even where is not defined, thus we are one in the undefined.
į:
  • žmogaus išėjimas už savęs į neapibrėžtumą, jo išlikimas neapibrėžtume, taip kad esame viena neapibrėžtume.
Pakeistos 18-20 eilutės iš
  • is our openness to that which is greater than us and this choice is the basis for BeingOneWith
  • is presence of unity beyond system
  • Everlasting is only one quality of eternal life.
į:
  • atvirumas tam, kas už mus didesnis, ir šis pasirinkimas yra pagrindas buvimui viena
  • vieningumo buvimas už santvarkos
  • daugiau nė tik amžinybė
2018 rugsėjo 15 d., 14:48 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 28-39 eilutės:

Gyvenimo lygtyje

Amžiną gyvenimą (ir ypač šuolius bei sąmonės išsiskaidymus, vieningumus) išsako asmenų lygties lygmenys:

  • Dievo valia: Šuolis tarp troškimo ir išgyvenimo lygmenų.
    • dešimt Dievo įsakymų? ženklų savybės? dvejonės (ir gvildenimai)? nesusivedimai? pertvarkymai?
    • kalbomis? išorinio požiūrio įsisavinimu vidiniu požiūriu, tad dangaus karalystės suvokimą žmoniškoje apimtyje
    • visumine santvarka? pertvarkymais
  • gera valia, jos rodymu: Šuoliu, tarpu, tarp žmonių.
    • išgyvenimų rūšys, gėrio kryptys, Kristaus pamokymai?
  • išmintimi: Šuoliu iš vienos savasties į kitą savastį per trečią savastį, papildinį
    • paskiras išgyvenimas, laipsnynas
2018 rugsėjo 15 d., 14:33 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Ištrinta 26 eilutė:
2018 rugsėjo 15 d., 14:33 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 21-28 eilutės:

Amžinas gyvenimas ir gyvenimas

  • Amžinas gyvenimas vyksta dviprasmybėje, o gyvenimas vienareikšmiškas, tad veda į mirtį. Mirtis iškyla derinant gyvenimą ir amžiną gyvenimą.
  • Gyvenimas sieja jautrumą ir atliepumą, o amžinas gyvenimas juos atskiria.
  • Gyvenimas: jautrumas, tada atliepiamumas. Amžinas gyvenimas, tai atvirkščiai: nusistatymas, tada atsidavimas. Tai kūryba. Tai aštuntas požiūris. O gyvenimą apibrėžia septynerybė, septynios apytakos, kūno sistemos, tai tapatumai, besikartojanti veikla. O kūryba, tai netapatumas, tai nesikartoja, o plėtojasi.
  • Dviprasmybė yra brandos sąlyga. Juk keičiamės ir išliekames tas pats. Palyginti su prasmingais išgyvenimais, su pradiniu ir galutiniu asmeniu ir su meile, kurios palaikomas asmuo gali atsisakyti savęs.
  • Sąmoningumas, Sąmoningėjimas, Consciousness (Self Love) as an idempotent, a fixed point, a View upon oneself. (Žr. Suhrit Dey).
  • atsiskleisti
2018 rugsėjo 11 d., 13:10 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeista 3 eilutė iš:
į:
2018 rugsėjo 11 d., 13:10 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėta 14 eilutė:
  • amžina branda - amžinai mokytis, lavintis, ugdytis, bręsti, gyventi - čia ir dabar
2018 rugsėjo 07 d., 15:18 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 19-22 eilutės iš
į:
  • Everlasting is only one quality of eternal life.

Dievas trokšta viso gerumo

Pridėtos 157-158 eilutės:

Šiaip gyvenimas ir amžinas gyvenimas

Pakeistos 242-246 eilutės iš

attempt at an {{Overview}} of how everything unfolds.

http://www.ms.lt/en/andrius/understanding/diagrams/conjunctions.gif

Everlasting is only one quality of eternal life.

į:

attempt at an Overview of how everything unfolds.

2018 rugsėjo 07 d., 14:02 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 1-2 eilutės:

Pridėtos 5-8 eilutės:

Ką reiškia amžinas gyvenimas?


2018 balandžio 12 d., 17:29 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Ištrintos 2-18 eilutės:
  • Amžinas gyvenimas
  • Išgyvenimų rūšys
  • Kaip atsiranda prasmė
  • Dievo įsakymai 6+4
  • Dievo dalyvavimas
  • Persitvarkymai
  • Trys kalbos
  • Išsiaiškinimai
  • Gvildenimai
  • Vertybės
  • Savastys
  • Ženklų rūšys, savybės
  • Kristaus požiūris
  • Sandaros ir jų išvertimas kalbomis

http://www.ms.lt/uploads/dievoveidas.png

2018 balandžio 12 d., 17:28 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 1-3 eilutės iš

Žr. Suvedimas?, Gyvenimas, Išgyvenimai, Dievo veidas, Michael Kazanjian, Poreikiai (Jėzaus pasisakymai "Aš esu...")

Savo paroda Dievo veidas noriu pavaizduoti amžiną gyvenimą. Kas į tai įeina?

į:
2018 kovo 18 d., 07:00 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeista 1 eilutė iš:

Žr. Gyvenimas, Išgyvenimai, Dievo veidas, Michael Kazanjian, Poreikiai (Jėzaus pasisakymai "Aš esu...")

į:

Žr. Suvedimas?, Gyvenimas, Išgyvenimai, Dievo veidas, Michael Kazanjian, Poreikiai (Jėzaus pasisakymai "Aš esu...")

2018 kovo 18 d., 06:59 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 1-2 eilutės iš
į:

Žr. Gyvenimas, Išgyvenimai, Dievo veidas, Michael Kazanjian, Poreikiai (Jėzaus pasisakymai "Aš esu...")

Pakeistos 22-26 eilutės iš

See also: {{Life}}, IAmStatements

===Eternal Life===

EternalLife

į:

Kas yra amžinas gyvenimas?

Amžinas gyvenimas yra

  • suvokimas Dievo gerumo, tai yra, suvokimas, jog Dievas nebūtinai geras.
  • gyvenimas nežinojimu (amžinu gyvenimu - sąmone). Tuo tarpu šiaip gyvename žinojimu (paprastu gyvenimu - pasąmone). Sąmonė šias dvi pasaulėžiūras tobulai sulygina. Minčių sodo bendrystė skiepija nežinojimą kas esame, kaip esame ir kodėl esame.
Pakeistos 32-40 eilutės iš

Eternal life is {{Understanding}} the [{{Good}} goodness] of {{God}}.

I share my thoughts that "God seeks ALL good" and therefore allows for bad whenever there is related good. I offer my definition of "eternal life". I suggest that "God's love", in the sense that Frank Mosca points to, is a fruitful concept that we might first locate within our own minds, and then learn more by considering its implications for the CTMU.

į:

I share my thoughts that "God seeks ALL good" and therefore allows for bad whenever there is related good. I offer my definition of "eternal life". I suggest that "God's love", in the sense that Frank Mosca points to, is a fruitful concept that we might first locate within our own minds, and then learn more by considering its implications for the CTMU.

Pakeistos 257-265 eilutės iš

{{Andrius}}: God will account for himself. He will silence those who account for him. This is the logic and the story of the Book of Job, when he silenced Job's friends and responded to Job and rewarded him. He will be separate from the good, and not reduced to it. And this is eternal life. And this day is brought on by the innocent victims who require justice. This is the message of the Book of Revelations. For God is a borrower who borrows from those to whom he gives.

Gyvenimas nežinojimu, klausimais

Minčių sodas: Not knowing what we are, how we are, why we are.

Gyvenimas nežinojimu (amžinu gyvenimu - sąmone) ar žinojimu (paprastu gyvenimu - pasąmone). Jųdviejų tobulas sulyginimas.

į:

Andrius: God will account for himself. He will silence those who account for him. This is the logic and the story of the Book of Job, when he silenced Job's friends and responded to Job and rewarded him. He will be separate from the good, and not reduced to it. And this is eternal life. And this day is brought on by the innocent victims who require justice. This is the message of the Book of Revelations. For God is a borrower who borrows from those to whom he gives.

2018 kovo 18 d., 06:54 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Ištrintos 258-265 eilutės:

===Discussion===

COMMENT by Benoit Amdrius says: "Briefly, we may think of life as the goodness of God (or structurally, anything is everything plus slack). But, as I read in the Gospel of John, eternal life is understanding the goodness of God."

The specific quote from the Gospel of John 17, 3 is: "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." Knowing from revelation (guided investigation) or understanding(speculative research) is where the difference comes in between Faith from the Kingdom's Covenant and the world of Gods. Understanding comes from knowing and knowing comes from revelation; it does not work the other way around, where understanding could produce faith and eternal life. The simple example of this is to give all the ingredients that make up a flower to a natural scientist and to ask him/her to assemble these calcium, potassium and all the ingredients that are understood to be in a flower and to make them into a living flower. Eternal life cannot be figured out because it does not seperate from Who God is. Each speculation we go on with, makes of God a "what" as opposed to Who He is. The peace of Christ is that which keeps our hearts and mind beyond understanding and feeds us so that we may be prepared for any good deed that comes our way. It is called obediance. At some point, Jesus exults the Father in His prayer for "being pleased to hide these divine realities from the great ones of the world and to reveal them to the babes and little ones." The apostle Paul tells the Corinthians: " For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence. But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God�and righteousness and sanctification and redemption�that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the LORD."

2017 spalio 14 d., 13:15 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 279-280 eilutės:

Gyvenimas nežinojimu (amžinu gyvenimu - sąmone) ar žinojimu (paprastu gyvenimu - pasąmone). Jųdviejų tobulas sulyginimas.

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Nežinojimas

į:

Gyvenimas nežinojimu, klausimais

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Nežinojimas

Minčių sodas: Not knowing what we are, how we are, why we are.

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Day of Judgment

{{Andrius}}: God will account for himself. He will silence those who account for him. This is the logic and the story of the Book of Job, when he silenced Job's friends and responded to Job and rewarded him. He will be separate from the good, and not reduced to it. And this is eternal life. And this day is brought on by the innocent victims who require justice. This is the message of the Book of Revelations. For God is a borrower who borrows from those to whom he gives.

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See also: {{Life}}, IAmStatements

===Eternal Life===

EternalLife

  • is that Person goes beyond himself, and is even where is not defined, thus we are one in the undefined.
  • is what we choose and thereby open ourselves to God, so that he lives through us as GodTheFather and GodTheSon and GodTheSpirit and then there is BeingOneWith through us
  • is our openness to that which is greater than us and this choice is the basis for BeingOneWith
  • is presence of unity beyond system

Eternal life is {{Understanding}} the [{{Good}} goodness] of {{God}}.

I share my thoughts that "God seeks ALL good" and therefore allows for bad whenever there is related good. I offer my definition of "eternal life". I suggest that "God's love", in the sense that Frank Mosca points to, is a fruitful concept that we might first locate within our own minds, and then learn more by considering its implications for the CTMU.

I imagine that, above all, the CTMU is a hypothesis that our minds and the universe and all self-standing systems are structurally the same, when they are fully realized as to their potential. I suppose that is to say that metaphorical thinking is valid. For example, in Plato's Republic, Socrates compares the human soul with an entire city-state, and analyzes the state so as to draw conclusions about the soul.

This hypothesis lets us choose the system that we study so as to be able to explore the questions that we are interested in. The physical world is an amazing place to consider isolated, reproducible interactions at a variety of scales. A city-state is a helpful organism for considering how different outlooks structure themselves with regard to each other. I imagine that our own human lives are the domains where we have our best intuition as to how everything comes together as a whole. It is natural and appropriate to "anthropomorphize", to think as a human, when we try to grasp the meaning of it all, and anyways, that is the outlook from which we need to make sense of it all, in the end. But this is valid when we do so in the sense of a self-standing human because that is when the metaphor definitely holds. We are brought up not to consider ourselves as self-standing (think of the oddness of Jesus' "I Am" or the self-centeredness of an infant). However, we can imagine God's outlook and thereby escape the social realities that we have consented to. Perhaps God is sufficiently important to us as simply the ever present possibility (and through the historical Jesus, an actuality, and the Creator, a necessity) that we may imagine and access a self-standing perspective (a Why).

From this view, it is valid to sketch out conclusions based on our aesthetic sense (what idea we find most beautiful, what we would like to believe) that is also faithful to the facts that we find. For our aesthetic sense is, I imagine, a faculty onto a self-standing system that it relates us to. The conclusion which is most beautiful is the one that is true. That is, I think, the purpose of our aesthetic sense. The facts are there, apparently, to force us to unfold, enrich our aesthetics. They are like dust on panes of glass that let us see the glass even as we see through it. In general, I suppose, our aesthetic sense tends towards the minimal solution.

For example, in suburban Orange County, California, in many ways a real utopia, I grew up thinking that evil is just a misunderstanding. It was only when I lived for several summers in Soviet-occupied Lithuania - in a different culture outside my own - that I saw evil. I saw a system designed to corrupt people, to break their spirit, and to enroll them. I saw that people were choosing - some to participate in that, succumb to it, take up its outlook, and others to stand up to that system. But the participants - the dissidents themselves - would say that those KGB officers were just victims, too. Living within their own culture, they could not see that, actually, they were all making choices which were relevant as to why some ended up as dissidents, and some ended up as tyrants. When I lived or stayed in different cultures, and felt the logic of segregation in Chicago, or the castes in Bangalore, then I could see it there, too. And I could start to understand why somebody might speak of a demon as afflicting a drug-addict, as if using them for a nest or shell, or a curse that one might physically feel upon crossing a street that is all-black on one side and all-white on the other, or an invisible wall that keeps one human from making eye contact and makes another confident to do so. Finally, I could step a bit outside of my own native culture and realize the struggle taking place that Chris describes, and that we're all part of it. All of this to point to the empirical and visceral reality of evil as a system that seeks to trap us into a hell of manipulations.

Aesthetically, what might be the purpose of such evil? What does that suggest about God? Especially if, aesthetically, we wish to believe that God is good?

For me, the simplest answer is that God seeks ALL good. Aesthetically, there must be at least some good which there could be without any bad. This is to say that good is greater than bad. That although they are opposites, in some way, good is marked as the relevant one, the self-standing one. Good allows for bad, perhaps requires bad, but yet stands on its own, independently of bad. Slack is a structure which models this. We imagine slack as either increasing or decreasing. They are both slack. But decreasing slack exhausts itself, whereas increasing slack does not. They are both "good" and are both representations of the underlying "good", and yet, as opposites, one is good and the other is bad.

To say that "God seeks ALL good" means that what's important to God is good, not bad. God is willing to introduce a lot of bad if that's what it takes to have an extra bit of good. He wants ALL of it - he is a megalomaniac. If we think of Scripture as a self-standing body of wisdom that is greater than our own minds, that stretches our minds beyond the strictures of logic, and opens our minds to our full ability, then we see examples of this: the shepherd who risks the 99 sheep to go out and find the 1 lost sheep.

The practical utility of this position is that wherever we see bad, there must be good that required it, and so we can look for that good and reinterpret in terms of it. But we do not have to leave the good and look for related bad, as there need not be any. Indeed, we can leave our own good and go beyond ourselves to give slack, to allow for bad and also good - to increase slack so that slack might decrease. And we can learn to do that effectively - don't do good in ways that set us up to feel bad or do bad where we'd regret that - give just a little bit of slack, as that is all it takes - and be creative and ready to always give it - and discover new dimensions in which to give it.

In this way we are participating in God's work to pull all the good together so that it's clear that it all is definitely good. We're making his life easier, we're sharing an aesthetic. If he doesn't do it through us, then he'll have to do it through somebody else, and why? We choose whether we want to be unravelers or simply unraveled. We live forever as unravelers if we help with the unraveling.

I like the thought which came up (was it Chris? or Franz?) that purpose (Why) is what we can introduce at any point to bring out moral implications. The perspective Why - an external reason, not simply an internal reason How - is what makes any system just as important as any other as a reference point. The perspective Why is that which presents it as self-standing and thus able to participate in the metaphors which link all such systems. Allowing for an answer, Why open us to integration with other systems.

In thinking about the mind, I am familiar with a division of everything into four perspectives: whether, what, how, why. I find this structure to have two representations. We may think them in terms of an observer, as questions: Whether? What? How? Why? Or we may think of them in terms of an observed, as answers: Whether! What! How! Why! In terms of the idealism of the observer, Why? is most important, and Whether? seems inconsequential, whereas in terms of the materialism of the observed, Whether! is most substantial, and Why! seems inconsequential.

I suppose that evil arises when a system is not open to integration with other systems yet takes itself as self-standing. It doesn't need a Why!. I suppose it is supported by an idealism that doesn't need a Whether?, that is willing to go along with whatever.

I think that we need to open ourselves to allow for straddling at all four levels, so that Observer and Observed might see through us, as through those panes of glass.

I would like to write more about "life" and "eternal life" as opposites, much like "decreasing slack" and "increasing slack". Briefly, we may think of life as the goodness of God (or structurally, anything is everything plus slack). But, as I read in the Gospel of John, eternal life is understanding the goodness of God. To understand the goodness of God is to keep the two concepts separate, to recognize good and God as independent concepts, and not to assume that they are related. Unfortunately, so often we presume that God is good. That is very harmful because it diminishes what God means to us. In our lives, we can testify to many injustices which have yet to be fixed. It is too early for us as witnesses to say that God is good. The facts aren't in yet! And to claim to know that God is good is to make him unreal. If we look forwards, outwards, then we think in terms of increasing slack, that yes, perhaps in the very end God is good, and yet there is an eternity of possibility for him to have that be so. God is not constrained by good, he does not have to be good, it is up to him whether he is. By presuming his goodness, we are constraining him, our narrow little minds are binding him to good, and we are therefore looking backwards. Our lives are finite, and we can explain away everything in them, until there is nothing left, and we have death.

I find it helpful to recognize that I, as a human, find it hard enough to wish for my own "life". In general, we tend to tune ourselves out, to diminish ourselves, to be unsuccessful, to dissipate ourselves, to walk away from our life. And so "eternal life" isn't even relevant. Scripture inspires me that it is not my wish, but God's wish that I live forever. If we define "love" as "support of life" (to love X = to support the life of X), then it is God's love for us that makes for eternal life. That is what God wants for us, not what we want for ourselves. If we understand life, if we understand the goodness of God, and if we disentangle the concepts of God and good, then we can look forwards, we can appreciate the reality of life so far, and we can be open to all the wrongs so far that may be yet redeemed, and all the many good things left that might come. We can and do live this "eternal life" now when we choose to allow for the open question of God's goodness and participate as a player - when we are sensitive, responsive, engaged. And we choose "death" when, alternatively, we consider it all closed and let that logic unravel any slack we have.

I liked very much Frank Mosca's letters. I think that the relation between "love" and "life" is very much that kind of give and take, that slack between structure and activity, which we may aesthetically ascribe to God with regard to us. And I am thinking that, just as we ought to shift from focusing on "life" to "eternal life" as I sketch above, but so we might shift from "love" (support of life as we might see it) to "God's love" (support of our life as the eternal life that he cares about).

If we live the open-ended outlook of eternal life, then I think that the CTMU might say that such an outlook can't be snapped by any physical events. Instead, we take our outlook with us, and all of our life which it connects to, into a broader reinterpretation that is open to connect with other such. Our life can be stopped only if we restrict ourselves to a closed outlook which, sadly, is the one that our society presumes upon us, and the one that would have us be reduced to nothing more than that which we have already been. The proof, so to speak, is that we are able to have an outlook "eternal life" which is not what we ourselves want, but what is given to us nonetheless, and which connects the unfolding future to our openness to it, so that it has a stake in our being ever alive, and we're able to drag the "real world" along with us, "uncollapsed" I suppose. The Psalmist clings to God's glory, for if his fate is tied to God's glory, then he will ever be alive.

In summary, I think that God would not be attractive if he might might forbid some good because it would also bring bad. I think that we, as systems, open ourselves and break out of evil by allowing for the question Whether? and the answer Why! as they naturally transcend us. Allowing for an answer Why! makes our question Why? meaningful, and allowing for a question Whether? makes our answer Whether! meaningful. We can thereby open ourselves to integration by that which is truly bigger than us, so that it might peer through us, see itself through us, and so live through us.

I think that the nature of life continuing openly, uncollapsed by physical events, is a question that we might apply the CTMU to, especially in defining further, what is life? We might be able to show what structures and activities in this world are actually relevant to that broader world. We might engineer bridges back and forth with that broader world, perhaps through prayer and good deeds. This might also have application to our health care systems. I look forward to exploring connections between the CTMU and my own quest "to know everything and apply that usefully". I'm especially stirred by Frank's letters on what I might think of as God's love. Here is my current attempt at an {{Overview}} of how everything unfolds.

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===Discussion===

COMMENT by Benoit Amdrius says: "Briefly, we may think of life as the goodness of God (or structurally, anything is everything plus slack). But, as I read in the Gospel of John, eternal life is understanding the goodness of God."

The specific quote from the Gospel of John 17, 3 is: "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." Knowing from revelation (guided investigation) or understanding(speculative research) is where the difference comes in between Faith from the Kingdom's Covenant and the world of Gods. Understanding comes from knowing and knowing comes from revelation; it does not work the other way around, where understanding could produce faith and eternal life. The simple example of this is to give all the ingredients that make up a flower to a natural scientist and to ask him/her to assemble these calcium, potassium and all the ingredients that are understood to be in a flower and to make them into a living flower. Eternal life cannot be figured out because it does not seperate from Who God is. Each speculation we go on with, makes of God a "what" as opposed to Who He is. The peace of Christ is that which keeps our hearts and mind beyond understanding and feeds us so that we may be prepared for any good deed that comes our way. It is called obediance. At some point, Jesus exults the Father in His prayer for "being pleased to hide these divine realities from the great ones of the world and to reveal them to the babes and little ones." The apostle Paul tells the Corinthians: " For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence. But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God�and righteousness and sanctification and redemption�that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the LORD."

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