Mintys.SuvokimoLygmenys istorijaPaslėpti nežymius pakeitimus - Rodyti kodo pakeitimus 2024 balandžio 04 d., 13:42
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2024 balandžio 02 d., 14:06
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Atsakymai grindžia suvokimą, klausimai grindžia savęs suvokimą, tyrimai grindžia bendrą suvokimą, o vaizduotės ribos grindžia susikalbėjimą. 2023 rugsėjo 19 d., 12:58
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Išėjimas už savęs - suvokimo lygmenys
2022 rugsėjo 22 d., 18:36
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2022 rugsėjo 08 d., 20:54
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2022 birželio 07 d., 10:05
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2022.06.07 A: Kaip trys kalbos susijusios su susikalbėjimu ir suvokimo lygmenimis? D: Trimis kalbomis jūs susikalbate su savimi pagrindimu, su vieni kitais įvardijimu ir su Dievu pasakojimu. Tad pagrindimas plėtoja savęs suvokimą, įvardijimas plėtoja bendrą suvokimą ir pasakojimas plėtoja susikalbėjimą. 2022 gegužės 07 d., 15:02
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Ištrinta 69 eilutė:
Pridėtos 101-105 eilutės:
Suvokimo lygmenys plėtoja vienumo sąmoningumą
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2022 gegužės 07 d., 14:44
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2022 gegužės 07 d., 14:37
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Pakeistos 104-111 eilutės iš
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Pridėtos 116-121 eilutės:
Suvokiame
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Ištrintos 275-290 eilutės:
Užrašai
Suvokimo lygmenys
2022 gegužės 07 d., 14:29
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Pridėtos 139-169 eilutės:
Suvokimo lygmenis išreiškia netroškimų atliepimų nulinis požiūris:
Suvokimo lygmenys - Išėjimas už savęs iš savęs
Paskiri suvokimo lygmenys Suvokimas
Savęs suvokimas
Bendras suvokimas
Susikalbėjimas
Pakeistos 263-264 eilutės iš
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Ištrintos 267-272 eilutės:
Suvokimo lygmenys - Išėjimas už savęs iš savęs
Ištrintos 271-281 eilutės:
Suvokimo lygmenis išreiškia netroškimų atliepimų nulinis požiūris:
Ištrinta 273 eilutė:
Savęs suvokimas nusako paskiro žmogaus elgesį, kaip elgiamės. O bendras suvokimas nusako bendro žmogaus elgesį, kaip derėtų elgtis, telkiant, tveriant, kuriant visuomenę. 2022 gegužės 07 d., 14:22
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Suvokimo lygmenų esmė Suvokimo lygmuo
Suvokimo lygmenys ir sąvokos.
Asmenys apibrėždami (suvokdami) save apibrėžia (suvokia)
Sutapimas
Keturi suvokimo lygmenys Yra keturi suvokimo lygmenys. Pakeistos 114-119 eilutės iš
Apytakos grindžia suvokimo lygmenis
Yra keturi suvokimo lygmenys. Suvokimas vyksta trejybės atvaizdais. Medžiagą įkelsiu atitinkamų apytakų puslapiuose. į:
Suvokimas vyksta trejybės atvaizdais apytakose. Ištrintos 137-139 eilutės:
2022 gegužės 06 d., 21:20
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Kas yra suvokimas?
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Grandinės pabaiga
2022 gegužės 06 d., 21:13
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2022 gegužės 06 d., 21:07
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2022 gegužės 06 d., 21:00
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Žmogaus ir Dievo požiūrių grandinė
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Žmogaus ir Dievo požiūrių grandinė Kaip požiūrių grandinę suprasti Dievu?
Kaip požiūrių grandinę suprasti žmogumi?
Pakeistos 79-80 eilutės iš
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Kaip požiūrių grandinė grindžia išgyvenimo apytaką?
2022 gegužės 06 d., 20:56
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Kas išplaukia iš suvokimo lygmenų?
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Suvokimo vaidmuo Pridėtos 25-36 eilutės:
Kas išplaukia iš suvokimo lygmenų?
Keturi lygmenys Kas vyksta lygmenyse?
Ištrintos 38-40 eilutės:
Asmenys ir suvokimo lygmenys
Pakeistos 45-46 eilutės iš
Lygmenys į:
Paskiri lygmenys Ištrintos 68-69 eilutės:
2022 gegužės 06 d., 20:51
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Pridėtos 44-46 eilutės:
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2022 gegužės 06 d., 20:09
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Kaip sąvokos suvokiamos?
Pakeistos 26-30 eilutės iš
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Ryšiai Asmenys ir suvokimo lygmenys Pridėtos 31-41 eilutės:
Kokie suvokimo lygmenų ryšiai?
Kokie suvokimo ryšiai?
Lygmenys Savęs suvokimas
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2022 gegužės 06 d., 19:27
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Kas išplaukia iš suvokimo lygmenų? Pridėtos 19-20 eilutės:
Kaip sąvokos išplaukia iš suvokimo? Pridėtos 22-23 eilutės:
2022 gegužės 05 d., 15:50
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Pakeista 207 eilutė iš:
Savęs suvokimas nusako paskiro žmogaus elgesį, kaip elgiamės. O bendras suvokimas nusako bendro žmogaus elgesį, kaip derėtų elgtis, telkianti ir kuriant visuomenę. į:
Savęs suvokimas nusako paskiro žmogaus elgesį, kaip elgiamės. O bendras suvokimas nusako bendro žmogaus elgesį, kaip derėtų elgtis, telkiant, tveriant, kuriant visuomenę. 2022 gegužės 05 d., 15:50
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Savęs suvokimas nusako paskiro žmogaus elgesį, kaip elgiamės. O bendras suvokimas nusako bendro žmogaus elgesį, kaip derėtų elgtis, telkianti ir kuriant visuomenę. 2022 gegužės 03 d., 12:57
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Augant sąmoningumui, siaurėja žinojimo apimtis
2022 vasario 17 d., 22:33
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2021 lapkričio 08 d., 12:33
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2021 spalio 24 d., 11:05
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2021 spalio 12 d., 16:11
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Suvokimo lygmenys
Suvokimo lygmenys - Išėjimas už savęs iš savęs
2021 rugsėjo 04 d., 21:40
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Dorovės tyrimas Yra septynios dorovės tyrimo pakopos. Tirdamas dorovę susiduriu su šiais klausimais:
Dorovės tyrimo lygmenys atspindi suvokimo lygmenis, jų raidą, žmogaus ir Dievo požiūrių grandinę, išėjimą už savęs iš savęs.
2021 rugsėjo 02 d., 19:18
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Žmogaus ir Dievo požiūrių grandinė
2021 rugsėjo 02 d., 19:14
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Pakeista 71 eilutė iš:
Suvokimo lygmenys išdėsto visko žinojimą požiūrių grandine į:
Suvokimo lygmenys išdėsto visko žinojimą žmogaus ir Dievo požiūrių grandine 2021 rugsėjo 01 d., 15:40
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2021 rugsėjo 01 d., 14:43
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Pasiklydęs vaikas į:
Pasiklydęs vaikas - gerasis vaikas ir blogasis vaikas
2021 rugpjūčio 13 d., 18:38
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Suvokimo lygmenis išreiškia netroškimų atliepimų nulinis požiūris:
2021 rugpjūčio 10 d., 13:26
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2021 rugpjūčio 05 d., 13:20
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Suvokimo lygmenų raida Neapibrėžtumas. 0) 1) 2) 3) Veiksmu +1 išsivysto (Dievo) sąmonė - suvokėjas, suvokimas, suvoktasis - yra sandaros pagrindas, visko padalinimus. Sąmonė išbaigta trimis požiūriais, tačiau veiksmas +1 taikomas toliau. Visuma vis naujai suvokiama kaip papildomas požiūris (palyginti su simpleksų židiniu). Apibrėžtumas. 4) 5) 6) Therefore a new outlook awakens and finds itself as such within the structural situation unfolded by the original outlook. We may think of this as a "godlet" which may not be God, but is otherwise in the situation of God. There is now a disconnect between Structure and Activity. Structure may or may not channel activity. Activity may or may not evoke structure. The feedback between structure and activity may be thought of as an operation [AddTwo +2]: the evoking of structure is linked to the arisal of activity. We may think of the godlet as a perturbation that opens up angles: Representations upon the whole, and Topologies from out of the parts. I think that this is where the "algebra of views" is defined. The give and take between activity and structure introduces a slack which allows one to take up a perspective, thus integrating whole and parts. 7) Then the new outlook comes to understand itself with regard to the original outlook as a perturbation of an ideal outlook that links both outlooks. All three outlooks are characterized by their three-cycles: taking a stand, following through, reflecting. And these rotations may be thought of as an operation [AddThree +3]. I think here is where the dynamic languages of life come into play: argumentation, verbalization, narration. I suppose they are expressions of the "algebra of views". Here the ideal outlook serves as a mediator which allows us to localize the slack so that we know where it is within a three-cycle. This makes the algebra definite. 8=0) Then the new outlook understands itself as subordinate to the original outlook. At the core of the new outlook is always the original outlook which went beyond itself and thereby generated the new outlook. Everything is always collapsing back into the original outlook. The views of the new outlook and the original outlook coincide by way of that collapsing. This is extremely helpful for me because it places the "algebra of views" within the big picture. It suggests that the algebra of views becomes defined with the divisions of everything into four, five and six perspectives. And that its applications through argumentation, verbalization, narration arise with the division of everything into seven perspectives. And, finally, the coinciding of views is related to the collapse of structure, which is perhaps the key point about mathematical systems in general. It's the collapse of structure which makes mathematics interesting. 2021 birželio 04 d., 16:43
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2021 gegužės 26 d., 13:16
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Bendras suvokimas ir skaidymas Pridėtos 22-24 eilutės:
2021 gegužės 26 d., 13:13
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2021 gegužės 26 d., 13:12
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2021 gegužės 26 d., 10:31
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Užrašai
2021 kovo 13 d., 17:40
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Suprasti santykį tarp požiūrių grandinės ir žmogaus bei Dievo požiūrių grandinės. 2021 kovo 04 d., 14:39
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A human's view of God's view yields an Everything which is first self-divided? into [Onesome one perspective] ("I am defined by myself"), then [Twosome two perspectives] (spiritual "I am therefore I am" and physical "I am not yet even so I am"), then [Threesome three perspectives], yielding one who "understands himself, can figure himself out, and is understood by himself" (I take this as the Holy Trinity - Father, Son and Spirit). Next, that God's view of a human's view is as a "godlet" which is in the situation that God has cast himself, yet otherwise is not God. (Such is the Heart). So for that godlet it makes sense to consider the extent by which it differs from its situation, which is to say, from its self, yielding [Foursome four perspectives]: differs by everything, by anything, by something, or by nothing. (That last is peculiar to the godlet, for God as such is distinct from his self, his structure, his situation). Then God considers his relationship with such a godlet as to whether God is a cause or effect, whether as such he is restricted or unrestricted, or yet again, the restriction of his unrestriction (as in "the present"). This yields [Fivesome five perspectives]. Then God gives life to that godlet by availing himself as principles which that godlet may take up: cling to what you have, get more than what you need, avoid extremes - but then also, choose the good over the bad, the better over the worse, the best over the rest. This yields [Sixsome six perspectives]. į:
A human's view of God's view yields an Everything which is first self-divided into one perspective ("I am defined by myself"), then two perspectives (spiritual "I am therefore I am" and physical "I am not yet even so I am"), then three perspectives, yielding one who "understands himself, can figure himself out, and is understood by himself" (I take this as the Holy Trinity - Father, Son and Spirit). Next, that God's view of a human's view is as a "godlet" which is in the situation that God has cast himself, yet otherwise is not God. (Such is the Heart). So for that godlet it makes sense to consider the extent by which it differs from its situation, which is to say, from its self, yielding four perspectives: differs by everything, by anything, by something, or by nothing. (That last is peculiar to the godlet, for God as such is distinct from his self, his structure, his situation). Then God considers his relationship with such a godlet as to whether God is a cause or effect, whether as such he is restricted or unrestricted, or yet again, the restriction of his unrestriction (as in "the present"). This yields five perspectives. Then God gives life to that godlet by availing himself as principles which that godlet may take up: cling to what you have, get more than what you need, avoid extremes - but then also, choose the good over the bad, the better over the worse, the best over the rest. This yields six perspectives. Pakeistos 81-82 eilutės iš
and the imperfection of human (who is choosing good over bad, better over worse, best over rest in an attempt to keep moving around that perfect center). That perfect person reflects a division of everything into [Sevensome seven perspectives] as choices (I think: choosing yes, choosing not no, choosing not yes, choosing no, choosing to not choose, choosing to choose, and choosing). The perfect person makes possible a factoring and intermingling of God's and human's choices (as taken from their trinities). Human's choices are Definite, unambiguous, restricting but God's choices are Indefinite, ambiguous, unrestricting. The size of the human Factors are 2, 3, 4 because the human choice takes an Operation +1?, +2?, +3? (as the three-cycle defines) and considers it as acting on a Onesome (a whole) and preserving that (through the act of choice so that it is whatever is chosen). And so that choice lies within a structure of size 1+1 or 1+2 or 1+3. Of the three factors, two or one or zero are from the human choices, yielding [SecondaryStructures auxiliary structures]: į:
and the imperfection of human (who is choosing good over bad, better over worse, best over rest in an attempt to keep moving around that perfect center). That perfect person reflects a division of everything into seven perspectives as choices (I think: choosing yes, choosing not no, choosing not yes, choosing no, choosing to not choose, choosing to choose, and choosing). The perfect person makes possible a factoring and intermingling of God's and human's choices (as taken from their trinities). Human's choices are Definite, unambiguous, restricting but God's choices are Indefinite, ambiguous, unrestricting. The size of the human Factors are 2, 3, 4 because the human choice takes an Operation +1, +2, +3 (as the three-cycle defines) and considers it as acting on a Onesome (a whole) and preserving that (through the act of choice so that it is whatever is chosen). And so that choice lies within a structure of size 1+1 or 1+2 or 1+3. Of the three factors, two or one or zero are from the human choices, yielding auxiliary structures: Pakeistos 92-93 eilutės iš
Finally, that God - as the perfect person that links the human to God through the wealth of that metaphysical structure - that God may yet again take up a humans' view. And for that God, a human is that to which the God goes beyond itself into. That human is a lens, an Omniscope, through which God sees himself, which is to say, everything. And as such a lens, that human's outlook, stepping back away from himself, may coincide with God's outlook which steps into him. So that God has no needs - but we do, has no doubts - but we do, has no expectations - but we do, has no commitments - but we do. And there are four PrimaryStructures which have eight perspectives and they express [EverythingWishesForNothing our needs], [EverythingWishesForSomething our doubts], [EverythingWishesForAnything our expectations], [EverythingWishesForEverything our commitments]. In each case the eighth perspective is God's (no needs or no doubts or no expectations or no commitments) and marks a collapsing of everything back into God. These four primary structures generate the six secondary structures as injections of one the eighth (God's) perspective from a lower level into a primary structure from a higher level. For example, when the God who has no needs takes up our doubts (and the related Counterquestions) then that generates the divisions of everything. The six secondary structures are then organized by the seventh perspective in each of these injections, and they constitute that perfect person. The eighth perspective may also be thought of as what results when all three factors (described in the previous view) come from human, which is to say, that in such a case everything collapses back into God, or is otherwise understood as God having gone beyond himself. į:
Finally, that God - as the perfect person that links the human to God through the wealth of that metaphysical structure - that God may yet again take up a humans' view. And for that God, a human is that to which the God goes beyond itself into. That human is a lens, an Omniscope, through which God sees himself, which is to say, everything. And as such a lens, that human's outlook, stepping back away from himself, may coincide with God's outlook which steps into him. So that God has no needs - but we do, has no doubts - but we do, has no expectations - but we do, has no commitments - but we do. And there are four PrimaryStructures which have eight perspectives and they express our needs, our doubts, our expectations, our commitments. In each case the eighth perspective is God's (no needs or no doubts or no expectations or no commitments) and marks a collapsing of everything back into God. These four primary structures generate the six secondary structures as injections of one the eighth (God's) perspective from a lower level into a primary structure from a higher level. For example, when the God who has no needs takes up our doubts (and the related Counterquestions) then that generates the divisions of everything. The six secondary structures are then organized by the seventh perspective in each of these injections, and they constitute that perfect person. The eighth perspective may also be thought of as what results when all three factors (described in the previous view) come from human, which is to say, that in such a case everything collapses back into God, or is otherwise understood as God having gone beyond himself. Pakeistos 103-107 eilutės iš
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Ištrintos 53-88 eilutės:
Paskiri lygmenys Suvokimas (perkelti į Dievo šokio puslapį)
Savęs suvokimas (perkelti į Išgyvenimo apytakos puslapį)
Bendras suvokimas (perkelti į Žinojimo rūmų puslapį) Žr. Dorovė
Susikalbėjimas (perkelti į Meilės mokslo puslapį)
2021 kovo 04 d., 14:22
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Pakeistos 46-49 eilutės iš
There is one level of understanding for each of the PrimaryStructures, and also for each VoiceOfTension in Narration. The fivesome relates the two directions: looking forward (from beginning to end) and looking backwards (from end to beginning) and this is perhaps relevant for shared understanding. į:
There is one level of understanding for each of the Primary Structures, and also for each Voice Of Tension in Narration. The fivesome relates the two directions: looking forward (from beginning to end) and looking backwards (from end to beginning) and this is perhaps relevant for shared understanding. Ištrintos 51-68 eilutės:
Kitos mintys God's view (from our view) = dividing himself - the God who knows What may God do, if there is nothing but God? The only thing that I can imagine is that God might divide himself. He may differentiate parts of himself, and those parts may have relationships. In this way, he may give rise to structure. We may imagine these as the events, or the days, in the life of God. They bring to mind the days in the Book of [http://www.ebible.org/bible/web/Genesis.htm Genesis]. God's view (from his view) = going beyond himself - the God who does not know God is TheBeginning. This is to say, God is unbounded. God, unbounded, goes beyond himself, into the bounded. This gives rise to Everything. Everything is the Structure of God. God is the Spirit of everything. taken together: the operation +1
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Vienybė, dvejybė, trejybė į:
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Going beyond oneself is an Operation. We term this +1 because it adds a perspective, taking us from:
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God ever goes beyond himself. He keeps adding a perspective through this operation +1. This gives rise to ever more structure. God goes beyond himself into the Onesome, then the Twosome and then the Threesome. The operation +1 - going beyond oneself - is what drives all of the unfolding of structure. It is the rethinking (as in "repent"?) of all the perspectives, their unity by a new perspective, a delving backwards, inwards and deeper into structure. There are three equations that ultimately yield the threesome and understanding, as God goes beyond himself:
The threesome is the structure for understanding - for returning to the beginning. This is the completion from God's point of view. There is God who understands (the Father), God who figures himself out (the Son), and their shared understanding (the Spirit) by which they are indeed the same God. Atskyrimas What is Separate? Not Coinciding - Ne tapatumas. (Benoit?) Sanctification means separated by God for God Andrius: Benoit, thank you for your great contributions to our lab. I appreciate the many Scriptural references you have made to basic concepts that I want to focus on. You have saved me a lot of work! It is hard to ponder these things, but I think these concepts are good to ponder. In your note above you reveal the importance of allowing for separate even as we wish to be unified. So I am very interested to understand that dynamic and our personal testimony is very relevant. I myself want to point first to the reality of Jesus which makes him relevant - perhaps as the one for all as you mention, which is also related to how the separate and the unified are related. I think that the name of Jesus becomes important to us when we can agree as to what we mean by that, and at that point we can speak as believers. But I feel that it's to look for that reality because I have much to learn regarding that and I also doubt whether most people really know what they mean when they say Jesus. How would you explain it to a Muslim, for example? Pakeistos 80-82 eilutės iš
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Pakeistos 93-99 eilutės iš
Andrius: Benoit, thank you for your great contributions to our lab. I appreciate the many Scriptural references you have made to basic concepts that I want to focus on. You have saved me a lot of work! It is hard to ponder these things, but I think these concepts are good to ponder. In your note above you reveal the importance of allowing for separate even as we wish to be unified. So I am very interested to understand that dynamic and our personal testimony is very relevant. I myself want to point first to the reality of Jesus which makes him relevant - perhaps as the one for all as you mention, which is also related to how the separate and the unified are related. I think that the name of Jesus becomes important to us when we can agree as to what we mean by that, and at that point we can speak as believers. But I feel that it's to look for that reality because I have much to learn regarding that and I also doubt whether most people really know what they mean when they say Jesus. How would you explain it to a Muslim, for example? Thought: Understanding is the activity of God; not understanding is the activity of human. The human perspective reflects the structure of understanding: take a stand - not understood, but rather creates understood; follow through - not understanding, but rather creates understanding; reflect - not understander, but rather creates understander. The human perspective is bounded: closed upon itself (but open to itself). God's perspective is unbounded: open upon itself it goes beyond itself. We therefore know it by the extent that it goes to view the human perspective: through 0, 1, 2 or 3 nodes. First of itself, and then futher out: why, how, what - each going beyond the previous and deeper into the human perspective. Threesome + null = division = framework for structure = empathize with God's perspective.
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Andrius: Benoit, thank you for your great contributions to our lab. I appreciate the many Scriptural references you have made to basic concepts that I want to focus on. You have saved me a lot of work! It is hard to ponder these things, but I think these concepts are good to ponder. In your note above you reveal the importance of allowing for separate even as we wish to be unified. So I am very interested to understand that dynamic and our personal testimony is very relevant. I myself want to point first to the reality of Jesus which makes him relevant - perhaps as the one for all as you mention, which is also related to how the separate and the unified are related. I think that the name of Jesus becomes important to us when we can agree as to what we mean by that, and at that point we can speak as believers. But I feel that it's to look for that reality because I have much to learn regarding that and I also doubt whether most people really know what they mean when they say Jesus. How would you explain it to a Muslim, for example? Pakeistos 97-153 eilutės iš
Atskyrimo lygmenys Suppositions are kept separate by placing them in different Scopes. What does this mean? Separateness is the indirectness of view - that it is possible to have not a direct view. A view (or outlook) that separates:
The point is to keep reducing scope so as to have complete coincidence. Separateness is a key idea and somehow the adding of a perspective (the taking up of a perspective) introduces separateness, perhaps:
The division of everything into four perspectives is the place where the algebra of views starts to matter. The four levels give us a scale from "oneness" to "separateness". Why asserts that the observer and situation are one, and whether asserts that they are completely separate. How and what are somewhere in between and allow for a nontrivial relationship between the observer and situation. So these are all levels that are relevant as we consider matters of "same" and "different". The four levels may also be thought in terms of scopes:
And the knowledge may be thought of as what the observer and situation share, which is to say, the extent to which the observer is one with the situation. Furthermore, the four levels may be thought of as relating structure and activity. "Structure channels activity" expresses what is definite, what that means. "Activity evokes structure" expresses what is specified. We may think of structure as a function and activity as the flow through it. The function may be definite or not, and the inflow may be specified or not. (In particular, the specification of input is akin to its partial calculation.) This yields four possibilities:
We may think of structure as arising from God and activity as arising from godlet, and then the four levels give the possible relationships. These relationships may be thought of in terms of the distance between structure and activity. Here activity is that which finds itself within structure and is inspired by it.
It is this last level which extends the "threesome" by saying that, above and beyond God, there might be something in the situation of God which is not distinct from it, as God is, but rather determined by it. This material level "whether" is the source of the Foursome and exemplifies God's ever going beyond himself. Another very important idea is that what separates the "viewer" (observer) and the "viewed" (situation) is the Nullsome (the division of everything into zero perspectives). This separation manifests itself through the four RepresentationsOfTheNullsome:
So I think that in the "original outlook" the distinction between viewer and viewed is kept latent. But with the new outlook - and once Representations becomes relevant - it is possible to think of viewer and viewed as separate and even self-standing. All of this to say that this is the machinery that lets us consider matters of "same", "different", "separate", "one", "equal", "difference" that are key to an algebra of views. The ability to have a dual point of view is what lets us "keep separate" concepts like God and good, and that ability is at the heart of understanding. į:
Pridėta 196 eilutė:
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Pakeistos 39-88 eilutės iš
Suvokimo lygmenys Each level arises when we note it for the sake of the distinction of Concepts. We make them explicit as God's view and human's view. Thus there are the following levels:
One way to think of the levels is as the unity of the representations of the structure of spirit:
Each level may be understood as introducing an additional operation which runs in parallel to the existing ones. These [ThisWiki:Operation operations] may be thought of as operations +1, +2, +3 on [ThisWiki:Divisions divisions of everything] (each adding 1, 2 or 3 perspectives, respectively). Each operation is a going beyond oneself.
Each level engenders more structure, until the final layer has it collapse. In describing an absolute, relative, shared, subordinate perspective: consider what truth means for understanding, self-understanding, shared understanding, good understanding:
I am trying to think of this in terms of love and understanding and concepts, the taking up of perspectives. Some thoughts:
So I need to try to understand the foursome, fivesome, sixsome as the heart reaching back out with +1, +2 or +3 perspectives, respectively, presumably through the operation +2. į:
Apytakos ir suvokimo lygmenys apibrėžia gyvenimo lygties lygmenis:
Pakeistos 48-91 eilutės iš
We may also think of this as:
Structure has no scope and is Absolute, whereas Activity is Relative to some Scope. In particular, SharedUnderstanding is relative with regard to some scope, but GoodUnderstanding is absolute. Each level seems to relate to a division of everything:
On this page I gather various parallels across these four levels.
Caring about apparently means going beyond to. Other is in the SeventhPerspective. God is in the ZerothPerspective.
This makes for one level of understanding for each of the PrimaryStructures, and also for each VoiceOfTension in Narration. The fivesome relates the two directions: looking forward (from beginning to end) and looking backwards (from end to beginning) and this is perhaps relevant for shared understanding. į:
There is one level of understanding for each of the PrimaryStructures, and also for each VoiceOfTension in Narration. The fivesome relates the two directions: looking forward (from beginning to end) and looking backwards (from end to beginning) and this is perhaps relevant for shared understanding.
Ištrintos 55-57 eilutės:
Ištrintos 90-91 eilutės:
See also: Overview, KeepSeparate Pakeistos 95-96 eilutės iš
Thought: Understanding is the activity of God; not understanding is the activity of human. The human perspective reflects the structure of understanding: take a stand - not understood, but rather creates understood; follow through - not understanding, but rather creates understanding; reflect - not understander, but rather creates understander. The human perspective is bounded: closed upon itself (but open to itself). God's perspective is unbounded: open upon itself it goes beyond itself. We therefore know it by the extent that it goes to view the human perspective: through 0, 1, 2 or 3 nodes. First of itself, and then futher out: why, how, what - each going beyond the previous and deeper into the human perspective. Threesome + null = division = framework for structure = empathize with God's perspective. į:
Thought: Understanding is the activity of God; not understanding is the activity of human. The human perspective reflects the structure of understanding: take a stand - not understood, but rather creates understood; follow through - not understanding, but rather creates understanding; reflect - not understander, but rather creates understander. The human perspective is bounded: closed upon itself (but open to itself). God's perspective is unbounded: open upon itself it goes beyond itself. We therefore know it by the extent that it goes to view the human perspective: through 0, 1, 2 or 3 nodes. First of itself, and then futher out: why, how, what - each going beyond the previous and deeper into the human perspective. Threesome + null = division = framework for structure = empathize with God's perspective. Pakeistos 183-184 eilutės iš
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Pridėtos 198-202 eilutės:
Each level arises when we note it for the sake of the distinction of Concepts. We make them explicit as God's view and human's view. Thus there are the following levels:
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Pakeistos 3-4 eilutės iš
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Pakeistos 39-52 eilutės iš
Keturi suvokimo lygmenys reiškiasi tiek požiūrio lygtimi, tiek ketverybe
These are the levels of structure that are necessary for us to experience structure. In that sense they are related to the Levels Of Understanding. We start with the widest and immerse ourselves into narrower scopes. These may be thought of as the RepresentationsOfEverything, in which case they do not degenerate, but are specified:
(I need to check on the order of the above). These representations result from considering spirit and structure as Equals and letting them manifest themselves as Unequals in four ways, yielding four representations (wishes). They are unequal in terms of the distance between themselves, from everything (spirit to spirit) to nothing (structure to structure). Alternatively, we may consider them as unequals, and let them manifest themselves equals, in which case we have two representations (scopes):Beginning and End, see: BeginningVEnd. Currently, my overview is in terms of Levels Of Understanding. The concept of Good Understanding allows me to focus on Eternal Life and not only Life. It's important that not only is life the fact that God is good, but moreover, eternal life is understanding this fact. Structurally, my new account derives the secondary structures first, and only then the primary structures. It also allows for the divisions to be used from the very beginning. į:
Pakeistos 43-46 eilutės iš
Kiekviena sandara kyla iš kurio nors suvokimo lygmens.
į:
Ištrinta 45 eilutė:
Pakeistos 259-260 eilutės iš
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Pridėta 266 eilutė:
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Pakeistos 21-22 eilutės iš
Suvokimo lygmenys į:
Apytakos grindžia suvokimo lygmenis
Ištrintos 254-262 eilutės:
Suvokimas ir sąvokos
Užrašai
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Pakeistos 261-284 eilutės iš
See also: Overview, Oracle AndriusKulikauskas: The situation of a lost child is exactly that which makes sense of the Overview of knowledge of everything. A lost child's outlook depends on the maturity of their thinking:
These levels reflect the growth in awareness, in maturity of the child. The ability to act according to mutual expectations rather than individual perspectives is what allow for perspectives to coincide (such as those of parent and child). Note: another relevant parable is the mind as Oracle. į:
Paskiri lygmenys Ištrintos 287-289 eilutės:
Pasiklydęs vaikas
Pridėtos 290-301 eilutės:
Paklydusio vaiko būklė išreiškia keturis visko žinojimo lygmenis priklausant nuo vaiko brandumo.
Pasiklydęs vaikas
Pakeistos 351-359 eilutės iš
We may think of these as four vantage points (by a human) upon God's view. As such, they are four representations of God, which is to say, they are all of the representations that we are able to have of him. Their unity is, for us, God to the extent that we can know him. It is in this pragmatic sense that we can say, absolutely, that we know God's view. For it is God's view not only as we see it, but to the extent that we can know him by the limitations of our very nature. į:
We may think of these as four vantage points (by a human) upon God's view. As such, they are four representations of God, which is to say, they are all of the representations that we are able to have of him. Their unity is, for us, God to the extent that we can know him. It is in this pragmatic sense that we can say, absolutely, that we know God's view. For it is God's view not only as we see it, but to the extent that we can know him by the limitations of our very nature. 2021 kovo 03 d., 20:57
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Ištrintos 276-290 eilutės:
There are also illustrations of Jesus' idea that WhatYouFindIsWhatYouLove, which is a counterpart to WhatYouBelieveIsWhatHappens. [http://www.ebible.org/web/Luke.htm#C15V4 Luke 15:4-7] �Which of you men, if you had one hundred sheep, and lost one of them, wouldn�t leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one that was lost, until he found it? When he has found it, he carries it on his shoulders, rejoicing. When he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, �Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!� I tell you that even so there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents, than over ninety-nine righteous people who need no repentance. [http://www.ebible.org/web/Luke.htm#C15V8 Luke 15:8-10] Or what woman, if she had ten drachma coins, if she lost one drachma coin, wouldn�t light a lamp, sweep the house, and seek diligently until she found it? When she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors, saying, �Rejoice with me, for I have found the drachma which I had lost.� Even so, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner repenting.� Another story is known as the Prodigal Son. (It's interesting for us also that this metaphor is used by [http://www.prodigalart.org Prodigal Art]) [http://www.ebible.org/web/Luke.htm#C15V11 Luke 15:11-32] He said, "A certain man had two sons. The younger of them said to his father, "Father, give me my share of your property." He divided his livelihood between them. Not many days after, the younger son gathered all of this together and traveled into a far country. There he wasted his property with riotous living. When he had spent all of it, there arose a severe famine in that country, and he began to be in need. He went and joined himself to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed pigs. He wanted to fill his belly with the husks that the pigs ate, but no one gave him any. But when he came to himself he said, "How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough to spare, and I'm dying with hunger! I will get up and go to my father, and will tell him, "Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight. I am no more worthy to be called your son. Make me as one of your hired servants." He arose, and came to his father. But while he was still far off, his father saw him, and was moved with compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him. The son said to him, "Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight. I am no longer worthy to be called your son." But the father said to his servants, "Bring out the best robe, and put it on him. Put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet. Bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat, and celebrate; for this, my son, was dead, and is alive again. He was lost, and is found." They began to celebrate. Now his elder son was in the field. As he came near to the house, he heard music and dancing. He called one of the servants to him, and asked what was going on. He said to him, "Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf, because he has received him back safe and healthy." But he was angry, and would not go in. Therefore his father came out, and begged him. But he answered his father, "Behold, these many years I have served you, and I never disobeyed a commandment of yours, but you never gave me a goat, that I might celebrate with my friends. But when this, your son, came, who has devoured your living with prostitutes, you killed the fattened calf for him." He said to him, "Son, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours. But it was appropriate to celebrate and be glad, for this, your brother, was dead, and is alive again. He was lost, and is found." I think that this good son, the elder son, is Jesus himself. Ištrintos 307-310 eilutės:
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Pakeistos 279-287 eilutės iš
That's a nice and easy to understand example. I like it. -- Profiles/HelmutLeitner Helmut, Thank you! I'm interested where this metaphor appears in various faiths and cultures. I include a few from the Bible. -- Profiles/AndriusKulikauskas [http://www.ebible.org/web/Luke.htm#C2V42 Luke 2:42-51] When he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem according to the custom of the feast, and when they had fulfilled the days, as they were returning, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. Joseph and his mother didn�t know it, but supposing him to be in the company, they went a day�s journey, and they looked for him among their relatives and acquaintances. When they didn�t find him, they returned to Jerusalem, looking for him.It happened after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them, and asking them questions. All who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers. When they saw him, they were astonished, and his mother said to him, �Son, why have you treated us this way? Behold, your father and I were anxiously looking for you.� He said to them, �Why were you looking for me? Didn�t you know that I must be in my Father�s house?� They didn�t understand the saying which he spoke to them. And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth. He was subject to them, and his mother kept all these sayings in her heart. į:
Pakeistos 290-294 eilutės iš
Požiūrių virtinė See also: Overview ===A structural summary - TheChainOfViews=== į:
Suvokimas (perkelti į Dievo šokio puslapį)
Savęs suvokimas (perkelti į Išgyvenimo apytakos puslapį)
Bendras suvokimas (perkelti į Žinojimo rūmų puslapį) Žr. Dorovė
Susikalbėjimas (perkelti į Meilės mokslo puslapį)
Pasiklydęs vaikas
Ką randi, tą myli Suvokimo lygmenys išdėsto visko žinojimą požiūrių grandine Pakeistos 348-350 eilutės iš
Finally, that God - as the perfect person that links the human to God through the wealth of that metaphysical structure - that God may yet again take up a humans' view. And for that God, a human is that to which the God goes beyond itself into. That human is a lens, an Omniscope, through which God sees himself, which is to say, everything. And as such a lens, that human's outlook, stepping back away from himself, may coincide with God's outlook which steps into him. So that God has no needs - but we do, has no doubts - but we do, has no expectations - but we do, has no commitments - but we do. And there are four PrimaryStructures which have eight perspectives and they express [EverythingWishesForNothing our needs], [EverythingWishesForSomething our doubts], [EverythingWishesForAnything our expectations], [EverythingWishesForEverything our commitments]. In each case the eighth perspective is God's (no needs or no doubts or no expectations or no commitments) and marks a collapsing of everything back into God. These four primary structures generate the six secondary structures as injections of one the eighth (God's) perspective from a lower level into a primary structure from a higher level. For example, when the God who has no needs takes up our doubts (and the related Counterquestions) then that generates the divisions of everything. The six secondary structures are then organized by the seventh perspective in each of these injections, and they constitute that perfect person. The eighth perspective may also be thought of as what results when all three factors (described in the previous view) come from human, which is to say, that in such a case everything collapses back into God, or is otherwise understood as God having gone beyond himself. į:
Finally, that God - as the perfect person that links the human to God through the wealth of that metaphysical structure - that God may yet again take up a humans' view. And for that God, a human is that to which the God goes beyond itself into. That human is a lens, an Omniscope, through which God sees himself, which is to say, everything. And as such a lens, that human's outlook, stepping back away from himself, may coincide with God's outlook which steps into him. So that God has no needs - but we do, has no doubts - but we do, has no expectations - but we do, has no commitments - but we do. And there are four PrimaryStructures which have eight perspectives and they express [EverythingWishesForNothing our needs], [EverythingWishesForSomething our doubts], [EverythingWishesForAnything our expectations], [EverythingWishesForEverything our commitments]. In each case the eighth perspective is God's (no needs or no doubts or no expectations or no commitments) and marks a collapsing of everything back into God. These four primary structures generate the six secondary structures as injections of one the eighth (God's) perspective from a lower level into a primary structure from a higher level. For example, when the God who has no needs takes up our doubts (and the related Counterquestions) then that generates the divisions of everything. The six secondary structures are then organized by the seventh perspective in each of these injections, and they constitute that perfect person. The eighth perspective may also be thought of as what results when all three factors (described in the previous view) come from human, which is to say, that in such a case everything collapses back into God, or is otherwise understood as God having gone beyond himself. Pakeistos 354-371 eilutės iš
Apžvalga See also: Overview The following is an earlier summary of my ideas. Coinciding with God's view - What do I mean by KnowEverything? To know everything is to View the Unknown. Yet, as a human, I always view the Known. The key question is: [HowToKnowEverything How can I know everything]? How can I escape my own view and take up God's view? How can a Definite view take up an Indefinite view? The answer is that their views can Coincide if the indefinite view takes up the definite view. (I therefore care to understand an AlgebraOfViews.) į:
Visko žinojimas, tai sutapimas su Dievo požiūriu.
Pakeistos 379-410 eilutės iš
We may think of these as four vantage points (by a human) upon God's view. As such, they are four representations of God, which is to say, they are all of the representations that we are able to have of him. Their unity is, for us, God to the extent that we can know him. It is in this pragmatic sense that we can say, absolutely, that we know God's view. For it is God's view not only as we see it, but to the extent that we can know him by the limitations of our very nature. We may think of God as TheBeginning - the perspective from which everything unfolds - and human as TheEnd - the perspective into which everything comes together. Their relationship is, I think, that of Jesus Christ - the beginning and the end, the Alfa and the Omega (the A and Z), the coinciding of perfection ("Love God") and identity ("love your neighbor as yourself") - by which God's perspective and our perspective may coincide. This outline describes this relationship between TheBeginning and TheEnd as given by the unfolding of Understanding, self-understanding?, SharedUnderstanding and GoodUnderstanding. Suvokimas (perkelti į Dievo šokio puslapį)
Savęs suvokimas (perkelti į Išgyvenimo apytakos puslapį)
Bendras suvokimas (perkelti į Žinojimo rūmų puslapį) Žr. Dorovė
Susikalbėjimas (perkelti į Meilės mokslo puslapį)
į:
We may think of these as four vantage points (by a human) upon God's view. As such, they are four representations of God, which is to say, they are all of the representations that we are able to have of him. Their unity is, for us, God to the extent that we can know him. It is in this pragmatic sense that we can say, absolutely, that we know God's view. For it is God's view not only as we see it, but to the extent that we can know him by the limitations of our very nature. 2021 kovo 02 d., 20:26
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Pakeistos 23-28 eilutės iš
Yra keturi suvokimo lygmenys. Tai keturios apytakos. Tad atitinkamuose puslapiuose įkelsiu medžiagą.
į:
Yra keturi suvokimo lygmenys. Suvokimas vyksta trejybės atvaizdais. Medžiagą įkelsiu atitinkamų apytakų puslapiuose.
2021 kovo 02 d., 20:22
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Pakeistos 82-103 eilutės iš
Suvokimas (perkelti į Dievo šokio puslapį)
Savęs suvokimas (perkelti į Išgyvenimo apytakos puslapį)
Bendras suvokimas (perkelti į Žinojimo rūmų puslapį) Žr. Dorovė
Susikalbėjimas (perkelti į Meilės mokslo puslapį)
į:
Pakeistos 377-398 eilutės iš
į:
Suvokimas (perkelti į Dievo šokio puslapį)
Savęs suvokimas (perkelti į Išgyvenimo apytakos puslapį)
Bendras suvokimas (perkelti į Žinojimo rūmų puslapį) Žr. Dorovė
Susikalbėjimas (perkelti į Meilės mokslo puslapį)
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Pakeistos 3-4 eilutės iš
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Ištrintos 40-53 eilutės:
Gyvenimo lygties išsakyti Dievo pažinimai Dievo pažinimai: Amžinas gyvenimas, Išmintis, Gera valia, Dievo valia
2021 kovo 01 d., 21:03
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Pakeistos 67-73 eilutės iš
Visos sandaros kyla iš kurio nors iš šitų lygmenų. Pirminės sandaros iš bendro suvokimo, o antrinės sandaros iš susikalbėjimo. į:
Kiekviena sandara kyla iš kurio nors suvokimo lygmens.
Ištrintos 78-89 eilutės:
Pakeistos 95-98 eilutės iš
į:
Suvokimas (perkelti į Dievo šokio puslapį)
Savęs suvokimas (perkelti į Išgyvenimo apytakos puslapį)
Bendras suvokimas (perkelti į Žinojimo rūmų puslapį) Žr. Dorovė
Susikalbėjimas (perkelti į Meilės mokslo puslapį)
2021 kovo 01 d., 21:00
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2021 kovo 01 d., 20:59
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Pakeista 26 eilutė iš:
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2021 kovo 01 d., 20:59
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Pakeistos 22-27 eilutės iš
Suvokimo lygmenys yra apytakos
Tad atitinkamuose puslapiuose įkelsiu medžiagą. į:
Yra keturi suvokimo lygmenys. Tai keturios apytakos. Tad atitinkamuose puslapiuose įkelsiu medžiagą.
2021 vasario 27 d., 15:23
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Pakeistos 189-192 eilutės iš
{{God}} is TheBeginning. This is to say, God is unbounded. God, unbounded, goes beyond himself, into the bounded. This gives rise to {{Everything}}. Everything is the {{Structure}} of God. God is the {{Spirit}} of everything. į:
God is TheBeginning. This is to say, God is unbounded. God, unbounded, goes beyond himself, into the bounded. This gives rise to Everything. Everything is the Structure of God. God is the Spirit of everything. Pakeistos 197-198 eilutės iš
Going beyond oneself is an {{Operation}}. We term this +1 because it adds a perspective, taking us from:
į:
Going beyond oneself is an Operation. We term this +1 because it adds a perspective, taking us from:
Pakeistos 200-203 eilutės iš
God ever goes beyond himself. He keeps adding a perspective through this operation +1. This gives rise to ever more structure. God goes beyond himself into the {{Onesome}}, then the {{Twosome}} and then the {{Threesome}}. į:
God ever goes beyond himself. He keeps adding a perspective through this operation +1. This gives rise to ever more structure. God goes beyond himself into the Onesome, then the Twosome and then the Threesome. Pakeistos 218-219 eilutės iš
See also: {{Overview}}, KeepSeparate į:
See also: Overview, KeepSeparate Pakeistos 222-223 eilutės iš
{{Andrius}}: Benoit, thank you for your great contributions to our lab. I appreciate the many Scriptural references you have made to basic concepts that I want to focus on. You have saved me a lot of work! It is hard to ponder these things, but I think these concepts are good to ponder. In your note above you reveal the importance of allowing for separate even as we wish to be unified. So I am very interested to understand that dynamic and our personal testimony is very relevant. I myself want to point first to the reality of Jesus which makes him relevant - perhaps as the one for all as you mention, which is also related to how the separate and the unified are related. I think that the name of Jesus becomes important to us when we can agree as to what we mean by that, and at that point we can speak as believers. But I feel that it's to look for that reality because I have much to learn regarding that and I also doubt whether most people really know what they mean when they say Jesus. How would you explain it to a Muslim, for example? į:
Andrius: Benoit, thank you for your great contributions to our lab. I appreciate the many Scriptural references you have made to basic concepts that I want to focus on. You have saved me a lot of work! It is hard to ponder these things, but I think these concepts are good to ponder. In your note above you reveal the importance of allowing for separate even as we wish to be unified. So I am very interested to understand that dynamic and our personal testimony is very relevant. I myself want to point first to the reality of Jesus which makes him relevant - perhaps as the one for all as you mention, which is also related to how the separate and the unified are related. I think that the name of Jesus becomes important to us when we can agree as to what we mean by that, and at that point we can speak as believers. But I feel that it's to look for that reality because I have much to learn regarding that and I also doubt whether most people really know what they mean when they say Jesus. How would you explain it to a Muslim, for example? Pakeista 291 eilutė iš:
See also: {{Overview}}, {{Oracle}} į:
See also: Overview, Oracle Pakeistos 294-295 eilutės iš
AndriusKulikauskas: The situation of a lost child is exactly that which makes sense of the {{Overview}} of knowledge of everything. į:
AndriusKulikauskas: The situation of a lost child is exactly that which makes sense of the Overview of knowledge of everything. Pakeistos 305-306 eilutės iš
Note: another relevant parable is the mind as {{Oracle}}. į:
Note: another relevant parable is the mind as Oracle. Pakeistos 333-336 eilutės iš
A human's view of God's view yields an {{Everything}} which is first self-divided? into [{{Onesome}} one perspective] ("I am defined by myself"), then [{{Twosome}} two perspectives] (spiritual "I am therefore I am" and physical "I am not yet even so I am"), then [{{Threesome}} three perspectives], yielding one who "understands himself, can figure himself out, and is understood by himself" (I take this as the Holy Trinity - Father, Son and Spirit). Next, that God's view of a human's view is as a "godlet" which is in the situation that God has cast himself, yet otherwise is not God. (Such is the {{Heart}}). So for that godlet it makes sense to consider the extent by which it differs from its situation, which is to say, from its self, yielding [{{Foursome}} four perspectives]: differs by everything, by anything, by something, or by nothing. (That last is peculiar to the godlet, for God as such is distinct from his self, his structure, his situation). Then God considers his relationship with such a godlet as to whether God is a cause or effect, whether as such he is restricted or unrestricted, or yet again, the restriction of his unrestriction (as in "the present"). This yields [{{Fivesome}} five perspectives]. Then God gives life to that godlet by availing himself as principles which that godlet may take up: cling to what you have, get more than what you need, avoid extremes - but then also, choose the good over the bad, the better over the worse, the best over the rest. This yields [{{Sixsome}} six perspectives]. į:
A human's view of God's view yields an Everything which is first self-divided? into [Onesome one perspective] ("I am defined by myself"), then [Twosome two perspectives] (spiritual "I am therefore I am" and physical "I am not yet even so I am"), then [Threesome three perspectives], yielding one who "understands himself, can figure himself out, and is understood by himself" (I take this as the Holy Trinity - Father, Son and Spirit). Next, that God's view of a human's view is as a "godlet" which is in the situation that God has cast himself, yet otherwise is not God. (Such is the Heart). So for that godlet it makes sense to consider the extent by which it differs from its situation, which is to say, from its self, yielding [Foursome four perspectives]: differs by everything, by anything, by something, or by nothing. (That last is peculiar to the godlet, for God as such is distinct from his self, his structure, his situation). Then God considers his relationship with such a godlet as to whether God is a cause or effect, whether as such he is restricted or unrestricted, or yet again, the restriction of his unrestriction (as in "the present"). This yields [Fivesome five perspectives]. Then God gives life to that godlet by availing himself as principles which that godlet may take up: cling to what you have, get more than what you need, avoid extremes - but then also, choose the good over the bad, the better over the worse, the best over the rest. This yields [Sixsome six perspectives]. Pakeistos 338-346 eilutės iš
and the imperfection of human (who is choosing good over bad, better over worse, best over rest in an attempt to keep moving around that perfect center). That perfect person reflects a division of everything into [{{Sevensome}} seven perspectives] as choices (I think: choosing yes, choosing not no, choosing not yes, choosing no, choosing to not choose, choosing to choose, and choosing). The perfect person makes possible a factoring and intermingling of God's and human's choices (as taken from their trinities). Human's choices are {{Definite}}, unambiguous, restricting but God's choices are {{Indefinite}}, ambiguous, unrestricting. The size of the human {{Factors}} are 2, 3, 4 because the human choice takes an {{Operation}} +1?, +2?, +3? (as the three-cycle defines) and considers it as acting on a {{Onesome}} (a whole) and preserving that (through the act of choice so that it is whatever is chosen). And so that choice lies within a structure of size 1+1 or 1+2 or 1+3. Of the three factors, two or one or zero are from the human choices, yielding [SecondaryStructures auxiliary structures]:
[Note that we might picture this as a cube with 24 directed edges where edges might be partially referenced by 8 corners (ambiguity=3), 6 faces (ambiguity=4) or 12 edges (ambiguity=2).] The three families of structures above are static. There are also three {{Languages}} that are dynamic. They arise when one of the factors is defined and two are not. They represent shifts between the static structures:
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and the imperfection of human (who is choosing good over bad, better over worse, best over rest in an attempt to keep moving around that perfect center). That perfect person reflects a division of everything into [Sevensome seven perspectives] as choices (I think: choosing yes, choosing not no, choosing not yes, choosing no, choosing to not choose, choosing to choose, and choosing). The perfect person makes possible a factoring and intermingling of God's and human's choices (as taken from their trinities). Human's choices are Definite, unambiguous, restricting but God's choices are Indefinite, ambiguous, unrestricting. The size of the human Factors are 2, 3, 4 because the human choice takes an Operation +1?, +2?, +3? (as the three-cycle defines) and considers it as acting on a Onesome (a whole) and preserving that (through the act of choice so that it is whatever is chosen). And so that choice lies within a structure of size 1+1 or 1+2 or 1+3. Of the three factors, two or one or zero are from the human choices, yielding [SecondaryStructures auxiliary structures]:
[Note that we might picture this as a cube with 24 directed edges where edges might be partially referenced by 8 corners (ambiguity=3), 6 faces (ambiguity=4) or 12 edges (ambiguity=2).] The three families of structures above are static. There are also three Languages that are dynamic. They arise when one of the factors is defined and two are not. They represent shifts between the static structures:
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Finally, that God - as the perfect person that links the human to God through the wealth of that metaphysical structure - that God may yet again take up a humans' view. And for that God, a human is that to which the God goes beyond itself into. That human is a lens, an {{Omniscope}}, through which God sees himself, which is to say, everything. And as such a lens, that human's outlook, stepping back away from himself, may coincide with God's outlook which steps into him. So that God has no needs - but we do, has no doubts - but we do, has no expectations - but we do, has no commitments - but we do. And there are four PrimaryStructures which have eight perspectives and they express [EverythingWishesForNothing our needs], [EverythingWishesForSomething our doubts], [EverythingWishesForAnything our expectations], [EverythingWishesForEverything our commitments]. In each case the eighth perspective is God's (no needs or no doubts or no expectations or no commitments) and marks a collapsing of everything back into God. These four primary structures generate the six secondary structures as injections of one the eighth (God's) perspective from a lower level into a primary structure from a higher level. For example, when the God who has no needs takes up our doubts (and the related {{Counterquestions}}) then that generates the divisions of everything. The six secondary structures are then organized by the seventh perspective in each of these injections, and they constitute that perfect person. The eighth perspective may also be thought of as what results when all three factors (described in the į:
Finally, that God - as the perfect person that links the human to God through the wealth of that metaphysical structure - that God may yet again take up a humans' view. And for that God, a human is that to which the God goes beyond itself into. That human is a lens, an Omniscope, through which God sees himself, which is to say, everything. And as such a lens, that human's outlook, stepping back away from himself, may coincide with God's outlook which steps into him. So that God has no needs - but we do, has no doubts - but we do, has no expectations - but we do, has no commitments - but we do. And there are four PrimaryStructures which have eight perspectives and they express [EverythingWishesForNothing our needs], [EverythingWishesForSomething our doubts], [EverythingWishesForAnything our expectations], [EverythingWishesForEverything our commitments]. In each case the eighth perspective is God's (no needs or no doubts or no expectations or no commitments) and marks a collapsing of everything back into God. These four primary structures generate the six secondary structures as injections of one the eighth (God's) perspective from a lower level into a primary structure from a higher level. For example, when the God who has no needs takes up our doubts (and the related Counterquestions) then that generates the divisions of everything. The six secondary structures are then organized by the seventh perspective in each of these injections, and they constitute that perfect person. The eighth perspective may also be thought of as what results when all three factors (described in the Pakeistos 366-380 eilutės iš
To know everything is to {{View}} the {{Unknown}}. Yet, as a human, I always view the {{Known}}. The key question is: [HowToKnowEverything How can I know everything]? How can I escape my own view and take up God's view? How can a {{Definite}} view take up an {{Indefinite}} view? The answer is that their views can {{Coincide}} if the indefinite view takes up the definite view. (I therefore care to understand an AlgebraOfViews.) How might our views coincide with God's? It helps to consider the thinking of a LostChild who grows to learn to position themselves so that they may be found by their parents. There is a deepening of {{Empathy}} as our own view unfolds:
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To know everything is to View the Unknown. Yet, as a human, I always view the Known. The key question is: [HowToKnowEverything How can I know everything]? How can I escape my own view and take up God's view? How can a Definite view take up an Indefinite view? The answer is that their views can Coincide if the indefinite view takes up the definite view. (I therefore care to understand an AlgebraOfViews.) How might our views coincide with God's? It helps to consider the thinking of a LostChild who grows to learn to position themselves so that they may be found by their parents. There is a deepening of Empathy as our own view unfolds:
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That final perspective is one where a human is deferential to the good. That is the point of full understanding at which one may be completely cooperative with everything and may then assume they are taking up God's perspective. In shared understanding, the human understands {{Slack}} to be a seventh perspective that is of God and beyond human. But with good understanding, the human understands that, from God's point of view, this seventh perspective is {{Good}} that is beyond God and needs to be considered as part of the human outlook. It is helpful to consider this as the thinking of a LostChild. į:
That final perspective is one where a human is deferential to the good. That is the point of full understanding at which one may be completely cooperative with everything and may then assume they are taking up God's perspective. In shared understanding, the human understands Slack to be a seventh perspective that is of God and beyond human. But with good understanding, the human understands that, from God's point of view, this seventh perspective is Good that is beyond God and needs to be considered as part of the human outlook. It is helpful to consider this as the thinking of a LostChild. Pakeista 398 eilutė iš:
We may think of God as TheBeginning - the perspective from which everything unfolds - and human as TheEnd - the perspective into which everything comes together. Their relationship is, I think, that of Jesus Christ - the beginning and the end, the Alfa and the Omega (the A and Z), the coinciding of perfection ("Love God") and identity ("love your neighbor as yourself") - by which God's perspective and our perspective may coincide. This outline describes this relationship between TheBeginning and TheEnd as given by the unfolding of {{Understanding}}, self-understanding?, SharedUnderstanding and GoodUnderstanding. į:
We may think of God as TheBeginning - the perspective from which everything unfolds - and human as TheEnd - the perspective into which everything comes together. Their relationship is, I think, that of Jesus Christ - the beginning and the end, the Alfa and the Omega (the A and Z), the coinciding of perfection ("Love God") and identity ("love your neighbor as yourself") - by which God's perspective and our perspective may coincide. This outline describes this relationship between TheBeginning and TheEnd as given by the unfolding of Understanding, self-understanding?, SharedUnderstanding and GoodUnderstanding. 2021 vasario 27 d., 15:22
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See also: {{Overview}}, {{Oracle}} AndriusKulikauskas: The situation of a lost child is exactly that which makes sense of the {{Overview}} of knowledge of everything. A lost child's outlook depends on the maturity of their thinking:
These levels reflect the growth in awareness, in maturity of the child. The ability to act according to mutual expectations rather than individual perspectives is what allow for perspectives to coincide (such as those of parent and child). Note: another relevant parable is the mind as {{Oracle}}. That's a nice and easy to understand example. I like it. -- Profiles/HelmutLeitner Helmut, Thank you! I'm interested where this metaphor appears in various faiths and cultures. I include a few from the Bible. -- Profiles/AndriusKulikauskas [http://www.ebible.org/web/Luke.htm#C2V42 Luke 2:42-51] When he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem according to the custom of the feast, and when they had fulfilled the days, as they were returning, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. Joseph and his mother didn�t know it, but supposing him to be in the company, they went a day�s journey, and they looked for him among their relatives and acquaintances. When they didn�t find him, they returned to Jerusalem, looking for him.It happened after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them, and asking them questions. All who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers. When they saw him, they were astonished, and his mother said to him, �Son, why have you treated us this way? Behold, your father and I were anxiously looking for you.� He said to them, �Why were you looking for me? Didn�t you know that I must be in my Father�s house?� They didn�t understand the saying which he spoke to them. And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth. He was subject to them, and his mother kept all these sayings in her heart. There are also illustrations of Jesus' idea that WhatYouFindIsWhatYouLove, which is a counterpart to WhatYouBelieveIsWhatHappens. [http://www.ebible.org/web/Luke.htm#C15V4 Luke 15:4-7] �Which of you men, if you had one hundred sheep, and lost one of them, wouldn�t leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one that was lost, until he found it? When he has found it, he carries it on his shoulders, rejoicing. When he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, �Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!� I tell you that even so there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents, than over ninety-nine righteous people who need no repentance. [http://www.ebible.org/web/Luke.htm#C15V8 Luke 15:8-10] Or what woman, if she had ten drachma coins, if she lost one drachma coin, wouldn�t light a lamp, sweep the house, and seek diligently until she found it? When she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors, saying, �Rejoice with me, for I have found the drachma which I had lost.� Even so, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner repenting.� Another story is known as the Prodigal Son. (It's interesting for us also that this metaphor is used by [http://www.prodigalart.org Prodigal Art]) [http://www.ebible.org/web/Luke.htm#C15V11 Luke 15:11-32] He said, "A certain man had two sons. The younger of them said to his father, "Father, give me my share of your property." He divided his livelihood between them. Not many days after, the younger son gathered all of this together and traveled into a far country. There he wasted his property with riotous living. When he had spent all of it, there arose a severe famine in that country, and he began to be in need. He went and joined himself to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed pigs. He wanted to fill his belly with the husks that the pigs ate, but no one gave him any. But when he came to himself he said, "How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough to spare, and I'm dying with hunger! I will get up and go to my father, and will tell him, "Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight. I am no more worthy to be called your son. Make me as one of your hired servants." He arose, and came to his father. But while he was still far off, his father saw him, and was moved with compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him. The son said to him, "Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight. I am no longer worthy to be called your son." But the father said to his servants, "Bring out the best robe, and put it on him. Put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet. Bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat, and celebrate; for this, my son, was dead, and is alive again. He was lost, and is found." They began to celebrate. Now his elder son was in the field. As he came near to the house, he heard music and dancing. He called one of the servants to him, and asked what was going on. He said to him, "Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf, because he has received him back safe and healthy." But he was angry, and would not go in. Therefore his father came out, and begged him. But he answered his father, "Behold, these many years I have served you, and I never disobeyed a commandment of yours, but you never gave me a goat, that I might celebrate with my friends. But when this, your son, came, who has devoured your living with prostitutes, you killed the fattened calf for him." He said to him, "Son, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours. But it was appropriate to celebrate and be glad, for this, your brother, was dead, and is alive again. He was lost, and is found." I think that this good son, the elder son, is Jesus himself. Požiūrių virtinė See also: Overview ===A structural summary - TheChainOfViews=== All of the conceptual structures which I have observed might be generated by the following chain of views: a human's view of God's view of human's view of God's view of human's view. A human's view of God's view yields an {{Everything}} which is first self-divided? into [{{Onesome}} one perspective] ("I am defined by myself"), then [{{Twosome}} two perspectives] (spiritual "I am therefore I am" and physical "I am not yet even so I am"), then [{{Threesome}} three perspectives], yielding one who "understands himself, can figure himself out, and is understood by himself" (I take this as the Holy Trinity - Father, Son and Spirit). Next, that God's view of a human's view is as a "godlet" which is in the situation that God has cast himself, yet otherwise is not God. (Such is the {{Heart}}). So for that godlet it makes sense to consider the extent by which it differs from its situation, which is to say, from its self, yielding [{{Foursome}} four perspectives]: differs by everything, by anything, by something, or by nothing. (That last is peculiar to the godlet, for God as such is distinct from his self, his structure, his situation). Then God considers his relationship with such a godlet as to whether God is a cause or effect, whether as such he is restricted or unrestricted, or yet again, the restriction of his unrestriction (as in "the present"). This yields [{{Fivesome}} five perspectives]. Then God gives life to that godlet by availing himself as principles which that godlet may take up: cling to what you have, get more than what you need, avoid extremes - but then also, choose the good over the bad, the better over the worse, the best over the rest. This yields [{{Sixsome}} six perspectives]. Next, that human's view of a God's view is as a "good person", a model person inside himself who might mediate between the perfection of God (ever taking a stand, following through, reflecting in a "centered" way) and the imperfection of human (who is choosing good over bad, better over worse, best over rest in an attempt to keep moving around that perfect center). That perfect person reflects a division of everything into [{{Sevensome}} seven perspectives] as choices (I think: choosing yes, choosing not no, choosing not yes, choosing no, choosing to not choose, choosing to choose, and choosing). The perfect person makes possible a factoring and intermingling of God's and human's choices (as taken from their trinities). Human's choices are {{Definite}}, unambiguous, restricting but God's choices are {{Indefinite}}, ambiguous, unrestricting. The size of the human {{Factors}} are 2, 3, 4 because the human choice takes an {{Operation}} +1?, +2?, +3? (as the three-cycle defines) and considers it as acting on a {{Onesome}} (a whole) and preserving that (through the act of choice so that it is whatever is chosen). And so that choice lies within a structure of size 1+1 or 1+2 or 1+3. Of the three factors, two or one or zero are from the human choices, yielding [SecondaryStructures auxiliary structures]:
[Note that we might picture this as a cube with 24 directed edges where edges might be partially referenced by 8 corners (ambiguity=3), 6 faces (ambiguity=4) or 12 edges (ambiguity=2).] The three families of structures above are static. There are also three {{Languages}} that are dynamic. They arise when one of the factors is defined and two are not. They represent shifts between the static structures:
And finally there is a seventh possibility in that human's view of God where that perfect person is of itself without connection to the human - so there are zero factors from the human. These structures describe the machinery for the infinitely various world that we live in, as well as what we've needed to define all the above. Finally, that God - as the perfect person that links the human to God through the wealth of that metaphysical structure - that God may yet again take up a humans' view. And for that God, a human is that to which the God goes beyond itself into. That human is a lens, an {{Omniscope}}, through which God sees himself, which is to say, everything. And as such a lens, that human's outlook, stepping back away from himself, may coincide with God's outlook which steps into him. So that God has no needs - but we do, has no doubts - but we do, has no expectations - but we do, has no commitments - but we do. And there are four PrimaryStructures which have eight perspectives and they express [EverythingWishesForNothing our needs], [EverythingWishesForSomething our doubts], [EverythingWishesForAnything our expectations], [EverythingWishesForEverything our commitments]. In each case the eighth perspective is God's (no needs or no doubts or no expectations or no commitments) and marks a collapsing of everything back into God. These four primary structures generate the six secondary structures as injections of one the eighth (God's) perspective from a lower level into a primary structure from a higher level. For example, when the God who has no needs takes up our doubts (and the related {{Counterquestions}}) then that generates the divisions of everything. The six secondary structures are then organized by the seventh perspective in each of these injections, and they constitute that perfect person. The eighth perspective may also be thought of as what results when all three factors (described in the previous view) come from human, which is to say, that in such a case everything collapses back into God, or is otherwise understood as God having gone beyond himself. So the end result is a coinciding of God's view and human's view, mediated by the concept of a perfect person, and the understanding that what is human comes in every way from God going beyond himself. A helpful way to think about this alternation of views is to consider the thinking of a LostChild. Apžvalga See also: Overview The following is an earlier summary of my ideas. Coinciding with God's view - What do I mean by KnowEverything? To know everything is to {{View}} the {{Unknown}}. Yet, as a human, I always view the {{Known}}. The key question is: [HowToKnowEverything How can I know everything]? How can I escape my own view and take up God's view? How can a {{Definite}} view take up an {{Indefinite}} view? The answer is that their views can {{Coincide}} if the indefinite view takes up the definite view. (I therefore care to understand an AlgebraOfViews.) How might our views coincide with God's? It helps to consider the thinking of a LostChild who grows to learn to position themselves so that they may be found by their parents. There is a deepening of {{Empathy}} as our own view unfolds:
The child grows in maturity to accomodate an ever weaker link with their parent. When the child is able to accomodate no link at all, and take the initiative so as to go where their parent will surely find them, then their views may coincide. God's view is complete. In order for our views to coincide, our own view of ourselves must also be complete. Then it is possible that, within the limits of our view, our views do coincide. For this we need to be completely transparent to ourselves and to God. This coinciding makes use of ConstructiveHypotheses which I make and take up. A constructive hypothesis is one that I may take as pragmatically true because otherwise I cannot proceed. Through them I can reach the point where I may pragmatically consider that my view and God's view are the same. I am finding that I reach this point at the end of the following progression:
That final perspective is one where a human is deferential to the good. That is the point of full understanding at which one may be completely cooperative with everything and may then assume they are taking up God's perspective. In shared understanding, the human understands {{Slack}} to be a seventh perspective that is of God and beyond human. But with good understanding, the human understands that, from God's point of view, this seventh perspective is {{Good}} that is beyond God and needs to be considered as part of the human outlook. It is helpful to consider this as the thinking of a LostChild. We may think of these as four vantage points (by a human) upon God's view. As such, they are four representations of God, which is to say, they are all of the representations that we are able to have of him. Their unity is, for us, God to the extent that we can know him. It is in this pragmatic sense that we can say, absolutely, that we know God's view. For it is God's view not only as we see it, but to the extent that we can know him by the limitations of our very nature. We may think of God as TheBeginning - the perspective from which everything unfolds - and human as TheEnd - the perspective into which everything comes together. Their relationship is, I think, that of Jesus Christ - the beginning and the end, the Alfa and the Omega (the A and Z), the coinciding of perfection ("Love God") and identity ("love your neighbor as yourself") - by which God's perspective and our perspective may coincide. This outline describes this relationship between TheBeginning and TheEnd as given by the unfolding of {{Understanding}}, self-understanding?, SharedUnderstanding and GoodUnderstanding. 2021 vasario 03 d., 18:47
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Suvokimo lygmenys Gyvenimo lygties išsakyti Dievo pažinimai Dievo pažinimai: Amžinas gyvenimas, Išmintis, Gera valia, Dievo valia
These are the levels of structure that are necessary for us to experience structure. In that sense they are related to the Levels Of Understanding. We start with the widest and immerse ourselves into narrower scopes. These may be thought of as the RepresentationsOfEverything, in which case they do not degenerate, but are specified:
(I need to check on the order of the above). These representations result from considering spirit and structure as Equals and letting them manifest themselves as Unequals in four ways, yielding four representations (wishes). They are unequal in terms of the distance between themselves, from everything (spirit to spirit) to nothing (structure to structure). Alternatively, we may consider them as unequals, and let them manifest themselves equals, in which case we have two representations (scopes):Beginning and End, see: BeginningVEnd. Currently, my overview is in terms of Levels Of Understanding. The concept of Good Understanding allows me to focus on Eternal Life and not only Life. It's important that not only is life the fact that God is good, but moreover, eternal life is understanding this fact. Structurally, my new account derives the secondary structures first, and only then the primary structures. It also allows for the divisions to be used from the very beginning. Suvokimo lygmenys Visos sandaros kyla iš kurio nors iš šitų lygmenų. Pirminės sandaros iš bendro suvokimo, o antrinės sandaros iš susikalbėjimo. Each level arises when we note it for the sake of the distinction of Concepts. We make them explicit as God's view and human's view. Thus there are the following levels:
One way to think of the levels is as the unity of the representations of the structure of spirit:
Each level may be understood as introducing an additional operation which runs in parallel to the existing ones. These [ThisWiki:Operation operations] may be thought of as operations +1, +2, +3 on [ThisWiki:Divisions divisions of everything] (each adding 1, 2 or 3 perspectives, respectively). Each operation is a going beyond oneself.
Each level engenders more structure, until the final layer has it collapse.
In describing an absolute, relative, shared, subordinate perspective: consider what truth means for understanding, self-understanding, shared understanding, good understanding:
I am trying to think of this in terms of love and understanding and concepts, the taking up of perspectives. Some thoughts:
So I need to try to understand the foursome, fivesome, sixsome as the heart reaching back out with +1, +2 or +3 perspectives, respectively, presumably through the operation +2. We may also think of this as:
Structure has no scope and is Absolute, whereas Activity is Relative to some Scope. In particular, SharedUnderstanding is relative with regard to some scope, but GoodUnderstanding is absolute. Each level seems to relate to a division of everything:
On this page I gather various parallels across these four levels.
Caring about apparently means going beyond to. Other is in the SeventhPerspective. God is in the ZerothPerspective.
This makes for one level of understanding for each of the PrimaryStructures, and also for each VoiceOfTension in Narration. The fivesome relates the two directions: looking forward (from beginning to end) and looking backwards (from end to beginning) and this is perhaps relevant for shared understanding. Kitos mintys
God's view (from our view) = dividing himself - the God who knows What may God do, if there is nothing but God? The only thing that I can imagine is that God might divide himself. He may differentiate parts of himself, and those parts may have relationships. In this way, he may give rise to structure. We may imagine these as the events, or the days, in the life of God. They bring to mind the days in the Book of [http://www.ebible.org/bible/web/Genesis.htm Genesis]. God's view (from his view) = going beyond himself - the God who does not know {{God}} is TheBeginning. This is to say, God is unbounded. God, unbounded, goes beyond himself, into the bounded. This gives rise to {{Everything}}. Everything is the {{Structure}} of God. God is the {{Spirit}} of everything. Vienybė, dvejybė, trejybė taken together: the operation +1 Going beyond oneself is an {{Operation}}. We term this +1 because it adds a perspective, taking us from:
to:
God ever goes beyond himself. He keeps adding a perspective through this operation +1. This gives rise to ever more structure. God goes beyond himself into the {{Onesome}}, then the {{Twosome}} and then the {{Threesome}}. The operation +1 - going beyond oneself - is what drives all of the unfolding of structure. It is the rethinking (as in "repent"?) of all the perspectives, their unity by a new perspective, a delving backwards, inwards and deeper into structure. There are three equations that ultimately yield the threesome and understanding, as God goes beyond himself:
The threesome is the structure for understanding - for returning to the beginning. This is the completion from God's point of view. There is God who understands (the Father), God who figures himself out (the Son), and their shared understanding (the Spirit) by which they are indeed the same God. Atskyrimas What is Separate? Not Coinciding - Ne tapatumas. See also: {{Overview}}, KeepSeparate (Benoit?) Sanctification means separated by God for God {{Andrius}}: Benoit, thank you for your great contributions to our lab. I appreciate the many Scriptural references you have made to basic concepts that I want to focus on. You have saved me a lot of work! It is hard to ponder these things, but I think these concepts are good to ponder. In your note above you reveal the importance of allowing for separate even as we wish to be unified. So I am very interested to understand that dynamic and our personal testimony is very relevant. I myself want to point first to the reality of Jesus which makes him relevant - perhaps as the one for all as you mention, which is also related to how the separate and the unified are related. I think that the name of Jesus becomes important to us when we can agree as to what we mean by that, and at that point we can speak as believers. But I feel that it's to look for that reality because I have much to learn regarding that and I also doubt whether most people really know what they mean when they say Jesus. How would you explain it to a Muslim, for example? Thought: Understanding is the activity of God; not understanding is the activity of human. The human perspective reflects the structure of understanding: take a stand - not understood, but rather creates understood; follow through - not understanding, but rather creates understanding; reflect - not understander, but rather creates understander. The human perspective is bounded: closed upon itself (but open to itself). God's perspective is unbounded: open upon itself it goes beyond itself. We therefore know it by the extent that it goes to view the human perspective: through 0, 1, 2 or 3 nodes. First of itself, and then futher out: why, how, what - each going beyond the previous and deeper into the human perspective. Threesome + null = division = framework for structure = empathize with God's perspective.
Atskyrimo lygmenys Suppositions are kept separate by placing them in different Scopes. What does this mean? Separateness is the indirectness of view - that it is possible to have not a direct view. A view (or outlook) that separates:
The point is to keep reducing scope so as to have complete coincidence. Separateness is a key idea and somehow the adding of a perspective (the taking up of a perspective) introduces separateness, perhaps:
The division of everything into four perspectives is the place where the algebra of views starts to matter. The four levels give us a scale from "oneness" to "separateness". Why asserts that the observer and situation are one, and whether asserts that they are completely separate. How and what are somewhere in between and allow for a nontrivial relationship between the observer and situation. So these are all levels that are relevant as we consider matters of "same" and "different". The four levels may also be thought in terms of scopes:
And the knowledge may be thought of as what the observer and situation share, which is to say, the extent to which the observer is one with the situation. Furthermore, the four levels may be thought of as relating structure and activity. "Structure channels activity" expresses what is definite, what that means. "Activity evokes structure" expresses what is specified. We may think of structure as a function and activity as the flow through it. The function may be definite or not, and the inflow may be specified or not. (In particular, the specification of input is akin to its partial calculation.) This yields four possibilities:
We may think of structure as arising from God and activity as arising from godlet, and then the four levels give the possible relationships. These relationships may be thought of in terms of the distance between structure and activity. Here activity is that which finds itself within structure and is inspired by it.
It is this last level which extends the "threesome" by saying that, above and beyond God, there might be something in the situation of God which is not distinct from it, as God is, but rather determined by it. This material level "whether" is the source of the Foursome and exemplifies God's ever going beyond himself. Another very important idea is that what separates the "viewer" (observer) and the "viewed" (situation) is the Nullsome (the division of everything into zero perspectives). This separation manifests itself through the four RepresentationsOfTheNullsome:
So I think that in the "original outlook" the distinction between viewer and viewed is kept latent. But with the new outlook - and once Representations becomes relevant - it is possible to think of viewer and viewed as separate and even self-standing. All of this to say that this is the machinery that lets us consider matters of "same", "different", "separate", "one", "equal", "difference" that are key to an algebra of views. The ability to have a dual point of view is what lets us "keep separate" concepts like God and good, and that ability is at the heart of understanding. |
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