Mintys.Taikymas istorijaPaslėpti nežymius pakeitimus - Rodyti kodo pakeitimus 2022 gegužės 19 d., 17:23
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Iš Neįsivaizduojamumo į Neapibrėžtumą Paskira galimybė išeidama iš savęs už savęs veda iš neįsivaizduojamumo (savo Dievo) į neapibrėžtumą (Dievą apskritai). Iš Kito į Dievą
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Kaip atsisakyti požiūrio
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[Žmogaus ar gerumo išėjimas už savęs iš savęs į:
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[Žmogaus ar gerumo išėjimas už savęs iš savęs Požiūrio atsisakymais pereinama iš Kito į Dievą, iš susikalbėjimo į suvokimą, iš savęs patikrinimo į buvimą tobulu. Išėjimas už savęs iš savęs
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Žmogaus požiūris
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Požiūrių grandinė į:
Žmogaus ir Dievo požiūrių grandinė Visos sandaros išplaukia iš augantį sąmoningumą išreiškiančios požiūrio grandinės: žmogaus požiūris į Dievo požiūrį į žmogaus požiūrį į Dievo požiūrį į žmogaus požiūrį. Požiūrių grandinę pavaizduoja pasiklydęs vaikas kuris, būdamas išmintingas, neieško savo tėvų, bet supranta, kad būtent jo ieškos, tad eina ten kur jo tėvai jo ieškotų. Šitą mintį vysčiau dorovės tyrimu, jos septyniomis pakopomis. 2021 rugpjūčio 05 d., 13:43
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2018.09.12 A: Kaip plėtojasi požiūrių grandinė? D: Mus skiria santvarka. Jūs esate joje, o aš už jos. Aš išeinu už savęs į jūsų gelmes, santvarkoj. Jūs savo ruožtu išeinate už savęs į mane už jūsų. Tad požiūrių grandinė auga mums kartu einant iš vieno į kitą, taip kad einame tais pačiais keliais. Tad šitą išmąstysi ir suprasi kaip mes sutampame per tris tokius išėjimo ratus. 2021 rugpjūčio 05 d., 13:19
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Požiūrių grandinė Sandarų atžvilgiu, visko žinojimą išsako požiūrių grandinė, nes visos sandaros iš jos išplaukia. Požiūrių grandinė išsako, kaip visko žinojimas išsidėlioja žmogaus akimis. Visko žinojimas yra Dievo požiūris į žmogaus požiūrį, tad sąmonės įsijautimas į nesąmonę, nesąmoningumą. Žmogaus požiūris išsako mūsų nesąmoningą žinojimą, o Dievo požiūris išsako sąmoningą nežinojimą. Antrinės sandaros yra:
Pasiklydęs vaikas
Galimos ir lygmenų poros. Požiūrių grandinė
Vaisingų prielaidų svarba norint atsisakyti savo požiūrio ir viską žinoti
We take up God's view because that opens up a vantage point that he might take up so that our views might coincide. And by taking up, alternatively, his view upon our view and ours upon his, ever deeper, the idea is that we do not diminish or close our view at all, but instead enrich it by exposing it to God's and our view through it. Finally, the Other is very important as the vehicle for shared understanding, in that the way that we treat others is the way that God may treat us, as we allow God to use us as a vehicle in reaching out to others. We may not be absolutely transparent like God, but yet we might be transparent for the purpose of him reaching out to others. And this transparency may be what is relevant in our view coinciding with God's.'' The main idea in all of this, perhaps, is how God makes available his Godly perspective to all of those beyond him, which is an increasing challenge until it reaches the stretching point. In this sense God shares perspective, and even more, goes beyond that to all those who might position themselves for his perspective - and through them others may be reached just as through him - it starts from them as it did with him. Therefore we have all, any, a and no perspectives. These are four increasingly focused LevelsOfUnderstanding. Understanding is the keeping separate of Concepts. (A concept is that which is with itself). It is also the distinction of one perspective (anything) upon another perspective (everything) (and of that perspective from slack). (To have a perspective is to go beyond oneself). This allows for a sequence of ever deeper (ever closer) Scopes which may be shared. Love is the sharing of a scope. We therefore have a sequence of ever deeper levels of love. They ground the ever greater Independence of the one who is loved (and understood): Self, Other, God. At the fourth level, LoveGod, God's view and human's view coincide (love absolutely) regarding the Good, so that both share the same view of God's view of human's view of God's view of human's view. All of the Structure that I am aware of rests in one of these four levels. Jėzus kalbėjo kaip jisai prisikels po trijų dienų ir trijų nakčių. Gal tai susiję su požiūrių grandine, su perėjimais tarp Dievo ir žmogaus požiūrių. The chain of views lets us separate out all concepts, any concept, a concept, no concept (be one with) - by establishing the distance from the viewer. Tad ketverybę. The chain of views apparently arises from the fact that the definite view has decreasing slack in scope and is thus ever more defined, whereas the indefinite view has increasing slack in scope and is thus ever less defined.
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Vaizduotės pranokimas - gražus taikymas. į:
Vaizduotės pranokimas Vaizduotės pranokimo sąlygos
Vaizduotės pranokimas Pakeistos 122-127 eilutės iš
Vaizduotės pranokimas Vaizduotės pranokimo sąlygos
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Gražus taikymas išsako Dievo būtinumą. 2021 gegužės 13 d., 10:08
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Žinojimo taikymas - sąmoningėjimas ir sąmoningumas. Vaizduotės pranokimas - gražus taikymas.
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Kaip sutapimas susijęs su požiūrių grandine, suvokimu, susikalbėjimu, gyvenimo lygtimi?
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2021 vasario 15 d., 23:00
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Dievo valia yra visko įsisąmonijimas, tai išminties (visko žinojimo) gražus taikymas (gera valia), tad amžino gyvenimo raiška - tėra tai kas reiškiasi. į:
Dievo valia yra visko įsisąmonijimas, tai išminties (visko žinojimo) gražus taikymas (gera valia), tad amžino gyvenimo raiška - tėra kas reiškiasi. 2021 vasario 15 d., 23:00
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Dievo valia yra visko įsisąmonijimas, tai išminties (visko žinojimo) gražus taikymas (gera valia), tad amžino gyvenimo raiška. į:
Dievo valia yra visko įsisąmonijimas, tai išminties (visko žinojimo) gražus taikymas (gera valia), tad amžino gyvenimo raiška - tėra tai kas reiškiasi. 2021 vasario 15 d., 22:59
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Dievo valia yra visko įsisąmonijimas, tai išminties (visko žinojimo) gražus taikymas (gera valia). į:
Dievo valia yra visko įsisąmonijimas, tai išminties (visko žinojimo) gražus taikymas (gera valia), tad amžino gyvenimo raiška. 2021 vasario 15 d., 22:58
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Dievo valia yra visko įsisąmonijimas, tai išminties (visko žinojimo) gražus taikymas (gera valia). 2021 vasario 03 d., 20:21
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Kaip įvairiai taikyti visko žinojimą? 2020 gegužės 21 d., 15:49
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Questions about coinciding į:
Kaip sutapimas susijęs su požiūrių grandine, suvokimu, susikalbėjimu, gyvenimo lygtimi? Pakeistos 73-85 eilutės iš
BisectingAView Consider bisecting as the opposite of coinciding, and four degrees of bisection as given by the distance of separation: by everything, anything, something or nothing. See BisectingAView, the splitting of the human mind (by the eightfold way), and how that relates to loving enemy (which requires a twofold mind and relates to loving God), and bisection is separating of human view and God's view. KnowEverything vs. ApplyUsefully To know everything is to coincide with God's view, and to apply usefully is to do so fully. (Relate this with the thought that to know everything is to extend fully, and to apply usefully is to coincide with the observed.) Growth of Human Human grows by shifting from self to view. Human increasingly identifies with senstivity rather than responsivity, so that the latter is attributed to God beyond us and within us, and we simply clear the way for him (this is morality, by which we identify with an other, more general than us). In doing so, we separate ourselves from our selves, and we acknowledge something broader than us, namely, God, and we go beyond ourselves, as God does. We determine a gradation from God is God to God is good. Eternal life is when we identify ourselves with our view. We thereby distinguish between God beyond us and God within us. Also, in this way, we have understanding. Understanding (and Love) and Structure (and Self) į:
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KnowEverything vs. ApplyUsefully What is God's interest? God's interest is not that we simply access our full potential, but that we achieve it. More important than knowing everything is that we apply such knowledge usefully. It is useful if it regards our Life. Indeed, knowledge about our life is that knowledge which we avoid as it holds us accountable to the extent that we are. We avoid this knowledge by not being clear of soul. Love Love is the support of life. To have knowledge of life is the nature of love, and to apply that knowledge is the practice of love. Love is what is important to God and why the knowledge of everything is relevant to him. It is relevant as a framework for the practice of love. OpenOurselves (GoodWill) In seeing through us, God relates to himself as Observer and Observed, and in practice, as lover and loved. His relationship becomes one of practice when we open ourselves and are transparent to him. This is our calling. Our knowing everything is not essential to our calling, but may support our calling as we identify with him and his love. Yet it is enough for us to open ourselves that through us he may love. Thus the knowledge of everything may, from God's point of view, be understood as the story of love as the support of life, and how we participate by opening ourselves to that relationship. Life is the goodness of God Life is the connection of goodness (God inside) and God (God outside). Life is the goodness of God. God inside us is the one who is the Observer. God outside of us is the one who is Observed. God sees himself through us, and likewise, he is seen by himself through us. Life is that God sees through us, but eternal life is that God is seen through us. The former is fleeting, but the latter has us matter forever. Eternal life is the understanding of the goodness of God Eternal life is the separation (the understanding) of goodness and God. EndlessLove God's love supports eternal life. Life is the connection from Observer to Observed through us, and love is the support for this connection. But eternal life is the separation of Observed from Observer by allowing for our freedom in the gaps. And God's love is the support for this separation. love vs. endless love Love is what connects within the system, by going from God to good, and EndlessLove is what separates by connecting with that which is beyond the system, by going from good to God. So love is BeingOneWith. Love is being Unified, and EndlessLove is being Complete, but the nature of both - and the nature of God - is BeingOneWith. The nature of God within the system is love, and the nature of God beyond the system is endless love, which is to say, God. We may think of endless love as absolute love. LoveGod We always love the good, but if we separate God and good, then that is a greater love, for we then love God. To love God is to LoveYourEnemy, and perhaps to love good is to LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, to love the one who is good to you. We can't know if God is good to us, for God is so much bigger than us, and it may always turn out that he is bad to us. In this sense, to love God is to be responsive where we are not sensitive. We are able to love even when we have no reason why - we are able to project our generalizations even when we have no data to support them. We are free to choose. God's view and Human's view Human, Access, God Human is the access that God has to himself as Observer to Observed. That access is either Everything, Anything, Something or Nothing. It manifests itself either as a connection made by the human (as in life), or as the clearing of a way, which keeps separate, and allows God to manifest himself (as in eternal life). The Observer is within the human, is within the system, whereas the Observed is beyond any system. Human is definite access, whereas God is indefinite access, from either one direction (Observed) or the other direction (Observer). Human stays within himself. Human is self-limited. God goes beyond himself. God is self-unlimited. God goes beyond himself into human. God is prior to human, for God goes beyond himself into human, and yet human stays within himself. Human is God within a system. Chains The chains take us from either Observer to Observed (through stepping in) or from Observed to Observer (through stepping out). Which is eternal life? Self and View Their Self is their View. In what sense is a view itself related to our limits that we stay within or not? Our view is like a cone that we stay within, like a space time cone, whereas God's view is complementary, in that he goes beyond his and into ours. Human's view vs. God's view Human's view is self-limited, thus defined with regard to a definite scope. God's view is self-unlimited, thus defined with regard to an indefinite scope. Human's view of God's view vs. God's view of human's view Human's view of God's view is the flowthrough that is possible for a definite scope - it is the realization, the fulfillment, the making vital of the potential of that scope, it is everything that could possibly flow through that scope. And that can be understood through two directions - observer: flow out through a human's definite scope, or observed: constraints, limits upon indefiniteness. The two directions are correlated. And that way it is possible to consider all possiblities. That is God's view of human's view - the running through of all possibilities. Coinciding How does human step away from himself and take up God's view? He can do so by inviting God to take up his view, so that they coincide. TakingUpAView What does it mean to take up a view? It is to take up our structural limits. Taking up God's view God's is unlimited, and so his structural limits are unlimited structure, which is Everything. Hence his view is given by everything, and to take up his view is to take everything as our own structural limits. A view vs. All views Human's view is grounded in the system, and God's view is beyond the system. Hence human's view is unified, it is "a" view, whereas God's view is complete, it is all views. Human's view of God's view Human's view of God's view is how we choose God over ourselves, how we coincide with God. Human's view of God's view is a recurring structure because it is unity of completeness, which is to say, it is the most direct way of presenting God in structure, perhaps as "everything". It is the building block for all structure. The levels of Truth from soft to hard Truth is that by which we can be responsive even if we are not sensitive. Truth is that by which the human voice coincides with God's view. The extent of coinciding is given by that level in which God expresses himself, as coinciding is through God, in that he comes to us, that is the essence of coinciding. į:
Dievo žvilgsnis ir žmogaus žvilgsnis
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If we could "know everything", then I think that might leverage our own testimonies of life as organized by our key concepts, like a sky full of stars, each encompassing the whole sky, and bringing it to a point of intense self-knowledge. The "knowledge of everything" would help us know how our key concepts unfold, how they relate, how we might navigate them and work together, so that we might live by all of our intuition, rather than just our own. It would show that each of us has a vantage point which of all people we know most intensely, and which is the source of our own language yet analogous to that of others. Similarly, I think that a "sustainable pattern language" might best be organized as a repository of case studies of how "local centers" function around the world (including one's own home) and a "knowledge of everything" would theoretically generate the many patterns of activity that we might find. Andrius: I think that in developing ourselves it's helpful to alert ourselves to profound initiatives that we might contribute to. For example, some applications of knowing everything include:
There is a lot to do, and I think everything that we might care to work on will be relevant, so long as we are caring and sharing. That is why it is important to have an appropriate culture. To apply usefully is to be Responsive as God is through us. It is to respond as God would respond through our self, and thus to go beyond our self. To apply usefully is to achieve our full potential. This means that it is reached by that which is deepest in us, which is most familiar, which is our truest self, and is our deepest unity. Our potential is achieved when our deepest unity is engaged, when it responds. observe vs. go beyond oneself To see is to be sensitive to a view - it is to receive within ourselves. To go beyond oneself is to respond from one self. Self vs. View So self and view are structural flipsides, and they tend towards different spiritual extrapolations: unity and completeness. View is the extent to which we are sensitive, and self is the extent to which we are responsive. Sensitive, Responsive To sense is for the unity to go out (be unobstructed) and return (be familiar). To respond is for the completeness to go in (be familiar) and return (be unobstructed). Life is what is both responsive and sensitive, thus is an endless flickering. System, Good There is a duality of structure. So the big question is, which is primary, unity or completeness? I think that the answer is completeness. God is beyond us, beyond any system, and as such he is complete. God within a system is unity, and as such he is good. Life, Coinciding We are that system. Life is the coinciding of these two - God outside us and within us - God and good. EternalLife, Separation Eternal life is the separation of the two, so that unity and goodness are qualities of God's as they hold within a system, any system. responsivity beyond sensitivity This means that responsiveness is more important than sensitivity, for when we are responsive, then it is the God beyond us, beyond system, who responds through us. We may not be sensitive as to why to respond, and yet we can still respond on behalf of that which is beyond us. So obedience, faith, caring all help us to respond even if we are not sensitive. Eternal life is when we are responsive beyond our sensitivity. Truth, Freedom The truth is that which lets us respond without being sensitive. In this sense, the truth sets us free - it lets us step outside the system that we find ourselves in. It also lets us reach others and them reach us across great divides. Observed, Observer This suggests that God as observed (and complete) is primary because God as observer (and unified) makes sense only within a system, as he is observing through us. Or am I mistaken? This is important to think about. The logic is that, in the beginning, God was available to be observed. But nobody was there to observe him. So he observed himself. He went beyond himself to become an observer and thereby he created us, a system through which he might observe himself. Gospel of John Go through notes on the GospelOfJohn, especially regarding EternalLife. į:
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Kaip įvairiai taikyti visko žinojimą? į:
Kaip įvairiai taikyti visko žinojimą? Pakeistos 46-56 eilutės iš
See: UsefulApplications, PracticalConsequences See also: KnowEverything, {{Overview}}, {{Life}} ===What does it mean to ApplyUsefully?=== ApplyUsefully, {{Responsive}}, {{Self}}, GoBeyondOneself To apply usefully is to be {{Responsive}} as God is through us. It is to respond as God would respond through our self, and thus to go beyond our self. To apply usefully is to achieve our full potential. This means that it is reached by that which is deepest in us, which is most familiar, which is our truest self, and is our deepest unity. Our potential is achieved when our deepest unity is engaged, when it responds. observe vs. go beyond oneself į:
To apply usefully is to be Responsive as God is through us. It is to respond as God would respond through our self, and thus to go beyond our self. To apply usefully is to achieve our full potential. This means that it is reached by that which is deepest in us, which is most familiar, which is our truest self, and is our deepest unity. Our potential is achieved when our deepest unity is engaged, when it responds. observe vs. go beyond oneself Pakeistos 54-55 eilutės iš
{{Self}} vs. {{View}} į:
Self vs. View Pakeistos 58-59 eilutės iš
{{Sensitive}}, {{Responsive}} į:
Sensitive, Responsive Pakeistos 62-63 eilutės iš
{{System}}, {{Good}} į:
System, Good Pakeistos 66-67 eilutės iš
{{Life}}, {{Coinciding}} į:
Life, Coinciding Pakeistos 70-71 eilutės iš
EternalLife, {{Separation}} į:
EternalLife, Separation Pakeistos 74-75 eilutės iš
responsivity beyond sensitivity į:
responsivity beyond sensitivity Pakeistos 78-79 eilutės iš
{{Truth}}, {{Freedom}} į:
Truth, Freedom Pakeistos 82-83 eilutės iš
{{Observed}}, {{Observer}} į:
Observed, Observer Pakeistos 86-87 eilutės iš
Gospel of John į:
Gospel of John Pakeistos 90-103 eilutės iš
KnowEverything vs. ApplyUsefully What is God's interest? God's interest is not that we simply access our full potential, but that we achieve it. More important than knowing everything is that we apply such knowledge usefully. It is useful if it regards our {{Life}}. Indeed, knowledge about our life is that knowledge which we avoid as it holds us accountable to the extent that we are. We avoid this knowledge by not being clear of soul. {{Love}} {{Love}} is the support of life. To have knowledge of life is the nature of love, and to apply that knowledge is the practice of love. Love is what is important to God and why the knowledge of everything is relevant to him. It is relevant as a framework for the practice of love. OpenOurselves (GoodWill) In seeing through us, God relates to himself as {{Observer}} and {{Observed}}, and in practice, as lover and loved. His relationship becomes one of practice when we open ourselves and are transparent to him. This is our calling. Our knowing everything is not essential to our calling, but may support our calling as we identify with him and his love. Yet it is enough for us to open ourselves that through us he may love. Thus the knowledge of everything may, from God's point of view, be understood as the story of love as the support of life, and how we participate by opening ourselves to that relationship. Life is the goodness of God į:
KnowEverything vs. ApplyUsefully What is God's interest? God's interest is not that we simply access our full potential, but that we achieve it. More important than knowing everything is that we apply such knowledge usefully. It is useful if it regards our Life. Indeed, knowledge about our life is that knowledge which we avoid as it holds us accountable to the extent that we are. We avoid this knowledge by not being clear of soul. Love Love is the support of life. To have knowledge of life is the nature of love, and to apply that knowledge is the practice of love. Love is what is important to God and why the knowledge of everything is relevant to him. It is relevant as a framework for the practice of love. OpenOurselves (GoodWill) In seeing through us, God relates to himself as Observer and Observed, and in practice, as lover and loved. His relationship becomes one of practice when we open ourselves and are transparent to him. This is our calling. Our knowing everything is not essential to our calling, but may support our calling as we identify with him and his love. Yet it is enough for us to open ourselves that through us he may love. Thus the knowledge of everything may, from God's point of view, be understood as the story of love as the support of life, and how we participate by opening ourselves to that relationship. Life is the goodness of God Pakeistos 106-107 eilutės iš
Eternal life is the understanding of the goodness of God į:
Eternal life is the understanding of the goodness of God Pakeistos 110-111 eilutės iš
EndlessLove į:
EndlessLove Pakeistos 114-119 eilutės iš
love vs. endless love {{Love}} is what connects within the system, by going from God to good, and EndlessLove is what separates by connecting with that which is beyond the system, by going from good to God. So love is BeingOneWith. {{Love}} is being {{Unified}}, and EndlessLove is being {{Complete}}, but the nature of both - and the nature of God - is BeingOneWith. The nature of God within the system is love, and the nature of God beyond the system is endless love, which is to say, God. We may think of endless love as absolute love. LoveGod į:
love vs. endless love Love is what connects within the system, by going from God to good, and EndlessLove is what separates by connecting with that which is beyond the system, by going from good to God. So love is BeingOneWith. Love is being Unified, and EndlessLove is being Complete, but the nature of both - and the nature of God - is BeingOneWith. The nature of God within the system is love, and the nature of God beyond the system is endless love, which is to say, God. We may think of endless love as absolute love. LoveGod Pakeistos 122-129 eilutės iš
==={{God}}'s view and {{Human}}'s view=== {{Human}}, {{Access}}, {{God}} {{Human}} is the access that God has to himself as Observer to Observed. That access is either {{Everything}}, {{Anything}}, {{Something}} or {{Nothing}}. It manifests itself either as a connection made by the human (as in life), or as the clearing of a way, which keeps separate, and allows God to manifest himself (as in eternal life). The Observer is within the human, is within the system, whereas the Observed is beyond any system. Human is definite access, whereas God is indefinite access, from either one direction (Observed) or the other direction (Observer). {{Human}} stays within himself. Human is self-limited. {{God}} goes beyond himself. God is self-unlimited. God goes beyond himself into human. God is prior to human, for God goes beyond himself into human, and yet human stays within himself. Human is God within a system. Chains į:
God's view and Human's view Human, Access, God Human is the access that God has to himself as Observer to Observed. That access is either Everything, Anything, Something or Nothing. It manifests itself either as a connection made by the human (as in life), or as the clearing of a way, which keeps separate, and allows God to manifest himself (as in eternal life). The Observer is within the human, is within the system, whereas the Observed is beyond any system. Human is definite access, whereas God is indefinite access, from either one direction (Observed) or the other direction (Observer). Human stays within himself. Human is self-limited. God goes beyond himself. God is self-unlimited. God goes beyond himself into human. God is prior to human, for God goes beyond himself into human, and yet human stays within himself. Human is God within a system. Chains Pakeistos 132-137 eilutės iš
{{Self}} and {{View}} Their {{Self}} is their {{View}}. In what sense is a view itself related to our limits that we stay within or not? Our view is like a cone that we stay within, like a space time cone, whereas God's view is complementary, in that he goes beyond his and into ours. Human's view vs. God's view į:
Self and View Their Self is their View. In what sense is a view itself related to our limits that we stay within or not? Our view is like a cone that we stay within, like a space time cone, whereas God's view is complementary, in that he goes beyond his and into ours. Human's view vs. God's view Pakeistos 140-141 eilutės iš
Human's view of God's view vs. God's view of human's view į:
Human's view of God's view vs. God's view of human's view Pakeistos 144-145 eilutės iš
Coinciding į:
Coinciding Pakeistos 148-149 eilutės iš
TakingUpAView į:
TakingUpAView Pakeistos 152-157 eilutės iš
Taking up God's view God's is unlimited, and so his structural limits are unlimited structure, which is {{Everything}}. Hence his view is given by everything, and to take up his view is to take everything as our own structural limits. A view vs. All views į:
Taking up God's view God's is unlimited, and so his structural limits are unlimited structure, which is Everything. Hence his view is given by everything, and to take up his view is to take everything as our own structural limits. A view vs. All views Pakeistos 161-162 eilutės iš
Human's view of God's view į:
Human's view of God's view Pakeistos 165-166 eilutės iš
The levels of {{Truth}} from soft to hard į:
The levels of Truth from soft to hard Pakeistos 169-170 eilutės iš
Questions about coinciding į:
Questions about coinciding Pakeistos 176-177 eilutės iš
BisectingAView į:
BisectingAView Pakeistos 180-181 eilutės iš
KnowEverything vs. ApplyUsefully į:
KnowEverything vs. ApplyUsefully Pakeistos 184-185 eilutės iš
Growth of Human į:
Growth of Human Pakeista 188 eilutė iš:
{{Understanding}} (and {{Love}}) and {{Structure}} (and {{Self}}) į:
Understanding (and Love) and Structure (and Self) 2018 spalio 03 d., 17:03
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AndriusKulikauskas: [{{Motivations}} I wish] to KnowEverything, but also to apply that knowledge usefully. į:
Trokštu viską žinoti ir tą žinojimą gražiai taikyti. 2018 spalio 03 d., 17:02
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Žr. šviesuolių bendrystė, viską žinoti Kaip įvairiai taikyti visko žinojimą? Visko žinojimą gražiai taikome puoselėdami šviesuolių bendryste, kuria visa tiesa būtų prieinama ir apčiuopiama. 2014 gegužės 18 d., 20:15
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it is important to have an appropriate culture. į:
it is important to have an appropriate culture. See: UsefulApplications, PracticalConsequences See also: KnowEverything, {{Overview}}, {{Life}} ===What does it mean to ApplyUsefully?=== ApplyUsefully, {{Responsive}}, {{Self}}, GoBeyondOneself To apply usefully is to be {{Responsive}} as God is through us. It is to respond as God would respond through our self, and thus to go beyond our self. To apply usefully is to achieve our full potential. This means that it is reached by that which is deepest in us, which is most familiar, which is our truest self, and is our deepest unity. Our potential is achieved when our deepest unity is engaged, when it responds. observe vs. go beyond oneself To see is to be sensitive to a view - it is to receive within ourselves. To go beyond oneself is to respond from one self. {{Self}} vs. {{View}} So self and view are structural flipsides, and they tend towards different spiritual extrapolations: unity and completeness. View is the extent to which we are sensitive, and self is the extent to which we are responsive. {{Sensitive}}, {{Responsive}} To sense is for the unity to go out (be unobstructed) and return (be familiar). To respond is for the completeness to go in (be familiar) and return (be unobstructed). Life is what is both responsive and sensitive, thus is an endless flickering. {{System}}, {{Good}} There is a duality of structure. So the big question is, which is primary, unity or completeness? I think that the answer is completeness. God is beyond us, beyond any system, and as such he is complete. God within a system is unity, and as such he is good. {{Life}}, {{Coinciding}} We are that system. Life is the coinciding of these two - God outside us and within us - God and good. EternalLife, {{Separation}} Eternal life is the separation of the two, so that unity and goodness are qualities of God's as they hold within a system, any system. responsivity beyond sensitivity This means that responsiveness is more important than sensitivity, for when we are responsive, then it is the God beyond us, beyond system, who responds through us. We may not be sensitive as to why to respond, and yet we can still respond on behalf of that which is beyond us. So obedience, faith, caring all help us to respond even if we are not sensitive. Eternal life is when we are responsive beyond our sensitivity. {{Truth}}, {{Freedom}} The truth is that which lets us respond without being sensitive. In this sense, the truth sets us free - it lets us step outside the system that we find ourselves in. It also lets us reach others and them reach us across great divides. {{Observed}}, {{Observer}} This suggests that God as observed (and complete) is primary because God as observer (and unified) makes sense only within a system, as he is observing through us. Or am I mistaken? This is important to think about. The logic is that, in the beginning, God was available to be observed. But nobody was there to observe him. So he observed himself. He went beyond himself to become an observer and thereby he created us, a system through which he might observe himself. Gospel of John Go through notes on the GospelOfJohn, especially regarding EternalLife. KnowEverything vs. ApplyUsefully What is God's interest? God's interest is not that we simply access our full potential, but that we achieve it. More important than knowing everything is that we apply such knowledge usefully. It is useful if it regards our {{Life}}. Indeed, knowledge about our life is that knowledge which we avoid as it holds us accountable to the extent that we are. We avoid this knowledge by not being clear of soul. {{Love}} {{Love}} is the support of life. To have knowledge of life is the nature of love, and to apply that knowledge is the practice of love. Love is what is important to God and why the knowledge of everything is relevant to him. It is relevant as a framework for the practice of love. OpenOurselves (GoodWill) In seeing through us, God relates to himself as {{Observer}} and {{Observed}}, and in practice, as lover and loved. His relationship becomes one of practice when we open ourselves and are transparent to him. This is our calling. Our knowing everything is not essential to our calling, but may support our calling as we identify with him and his love. Yet it is enough for us to open ourselves that through us he may love. Thus the knowledge of everything may, from God's point of view, be understood as the story of love as the support of life, and how we participate by opening ourselves to that relationship. Life is the goodness of God Life is the connection of goodness (God inside) and God (God outside). Life is the goodness of God. God inside us is the one who is the Observer. God outside of us is the one who is Observed. God sees himself through us, and likewise, he is seen by himself through us. Life is that God sees through us, but eternal life is that God is seen through us. The former is fleeting, but the latter has us matter forever. Eternal life is the understanding of the goodness of God Eternal life is the separation (the understanding) of goodness and God. EndlessLove God's love supports eternal life. Life is the connection from Observer to Observed through us, and love is the support for this connection. But eternal life is the separation of Observed from Observer by allowing for our freedom in the gaps. And God's love is the support for this separation. love vs. endless love {{Love}} is what connects within the system, by going from God to good, and EndlessLove is what separates by connecting with that which is beyond the system, by going from good to God. So love is BeingOneWith. {{Love}} is being {{Unified}}, and EndlessLove is being {{Complete}}, but the nature of both - and the nature of God - is BeingOneWith. The nature of God within the system is love, and the nature of God beyond the system is endless love, which is to say, God. We may think of endless love as absolute love. LoveGod We always love the good, but if we separate God and good, then that is a greater love, for we then love God. To love God is to LoveYourEnemy, and perhaps to love good is to LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, to love the one who is good to you. We can't know if God is good to us, for God is so much bigger than us, and it may always turn out that he is bad to us. In this sense, to love God is to be responsive where we are not sensitive. We are able to love even when we have no reason why - we are able to project our generalizations even when we have no data to support them. We are free to choose. ==={{God}}'s view and {{Human}}'s view=== {{Human}}, {{Access}}, {{God}} {{Human}} is the access that God has to himself as Observer to Observed. That access is either {{Everything}}, {{Anything}}, {{Something}} or {{Nothing}}. It manifests itself either as a connection made by the human (as in life), or as the clearing of a way, which keeps separate, and allows God to manifest himself (as in eternal life). The Observer is within the human, is within the system, whereas the Observed is beyond any system. Human is definite access, whereas God is indefinite access, from either one direction (Observed) or the other direction (Observer). {{Human}} stays within himself. Human is self-limited. {{God}} goes beyond himself. God is self-unlimited. God goes beyond himself into human. God is prior to human, for God goes beyond himself into human, and yet human stays within himself. Human is God within a system. Chains The chains take us from either Observer to Observed (through stepping in) or from Observed to Observer (through stepping out). Which is eternal life? {{Self}} and {{View}} Their {{Self}} is their {{View}}. In what sense is a view itself related to our limits that we stay within or not? Our view is like a cone that we stay within, like a space time cone, whereas God's view is complementary, in that he goes beyond his and into ours. Human's view vs. God's view Human's view is self-limited, thus defined with regard to a definite scope. God's view is self-unlimited, thus defined with regard to an indefinite scope. Human's view of God's view vs. God's view of human's view Human's view of God's view is the flowthrough that is possible for a definite scope - it is the realization, the fulfillment, the making vital of the potential of that scope, it is everything that could possibly flow through that scope. And that can be understood through two directions - observer: flow out through a human's definite scope, or observed: constraints, limits upon indefiniteness. The two directions are correlated. And that way it is possible to consider all possiblities. That is God's view of human's view - the running through of all possibilities. Coinciding How does human step away from himself and take up God's view? He can do so by inviting God to take up his view, so that they coincide. TakingUpAView What does it mean to take up a view? It is to take up our structural limits. Taking up God's view God's is unlimited, and so his structural limits are unlimited structure, which is {{Everything}}. Hence his view is given by everything, and to take up his view is to take everything as our own structural limits. A view vs. All views Human's view is grounded in the system, and God's view is beyond the system. Hence human's view is unified, it is "a" view, whereas God's view is complete, it is all views. Human's view of God's view Human's view of God's view is how we choose God over ourselves, how we coincide with God. Human's view of God's view is a recurring structure because it is unity of completeness, which is to say, it is the most direct way of presenting God in structure, perhaps as "everything". It is the building block for all structure. The levels of {{Truth}} from soft to hard Truth is that by which we can be responsive even if we are not sensitive. Truth is that by which the human voice coincides with God's view. The extent of coinciding is given by that level in which God expresses himself, as coinciding is through God, in that he comes to us, that is the essence of coinciding. Questions about coinciding
BisectingAView Consider bisecting as the opposite of coinciding, and four degrees of bisection as given by the distance of separation: by everything, anything, something or nothing. See BisectingAView, the splitting of the human mind (by the eightfold way), and how that relates to loving enemy (which requires a twofold mind and relates to loving God), and bisection is separating of human view and God's view. KnowEverything vs. ApplyUsefully To know everything is to coincide with God's view, and to apply usefully is to do so fully. (Relate this with the thought that to know everything is to extend fully, and to apply usefully is to coincide with the observed.) Growth of Human Human grows by shifting from self to view. Human increasingly identifies with senstivity rather than responsivity, so that the latter is attributed to God beyond us and within us, and we simply clear the way for him (this is morality, by which we identify with an other, more general than us). In doing so, we separate ourselves from our selves, and we acknowledge something broader than us, namely, God, and we go beyond ourselves, as God does. We determine a gradation from God is God to God is good. Eternal life is when we identify ourselves with our view. We thereby distinguish between God beyond us and God within us. Also, in this way, we have understanding. {{Understanding}} (and {{Love}}) and {{Structure}} (and {{Self}}) 2014 gegužės 18 d., 20:14
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AndriusKulikauskas: [{{Motivations}} I wish] to KnowEverything, but also to apply that knowledge usefully. If we could "know everything", then I think that might leverage our own testimonies of life as organized by our key concepts, like a sky full of stars, each encompassing the whole sky, and bringing it to a point of intense self-knowledge. The "knowledge of everything" would help us know how our key concepts unfold, how they relate, how we might navigate them and work together, so that we might live by all of our intuition, rather than just our own. It would show that each of us has a vantage point which of all people we know most intensely, and which is the source of our own language yet analogous to that of others. Similarly, I think that a "sustainable pattern language" might best be organized as a repository of case studies of how "local centers" function around the world (including one's own home) and a "knowledge of everything" would theoretically generate the many patterns of activity that we might find. Andrius: I think that in developing ourselves it's helpful to alert ourselves to profound initiatives that we might contribute to. For example, some applications of knowing everything include:
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