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If we could "know everything", then I think that might leverage our own testimonies of life as organized by our key concepts, like a sky full of stars, each encompassing the whole sky, and bringing it to a point of intense self-knowledge. The "knowledge of everything" would help us know how our key concepts unfold, how they relate, how we might navigate them and work together, so that we might live by all of our intuition, rather than just our own. It would show that each of us has a vantage point which of all people we know most intensely, and which is the source of our own language yet analogous to that of others. Similarly, I think that a "sustainable pattern language" might best be organized as a repository of case studies of how "local centers" function around the world (including one's own home) and a "knowledge of everything" would theoretically generate the many patterns of activity that we might find.

Andrius: I think that in developing ourselves it's helpful to alert ourselves to profound initiatives that we might contribute to. For example, some applications of knowing everything include:

There is a lot to do, and I think everything that we might care to work on will be relevant, so long as we are caring and sharing. That is why it is important to have an appropriate culture.

See: UsefulApplications, PracticalConsequences

See also: KnowEverything, {{Overview}}, {{Life}} ===What does it mean to ApplyUsefully?===

ApplyUsefully, {{Responsive}}, {{Self}}, GoBeyondOneself

To apply usefully is to be {{Responsive}} as God is through us. It is to respond as God would respond through our self, and thus to go beyond our self. To apply usefully is to achieve our full potential. This means that it is reached by that which is deepest in us, which is most familiar, which is our truest self, and is our deepest unity. Our potential is achieved when our deepest unity is engaged, when it responds.

observe vs. go beyond oneself

To see is to be sensitive to a view - it is to receive within ourselves. To go beyond oneself is to respond from one self.

{{Self}} vs. {{View}}

So self and view are structural flipsides, and they tend towards different spiritual extrapolations: unity and completeness. View is the extent to which we are sensitive, and self is the extent to which we are responsive.

{{Sensitive}}, {{Responsive}}

To sense is for the unity to go out (be unobstructed) and return (be familiar). To respond is for the completeness to go in (be familiar) and return (be unobstructed). Life is what is both responsive and sensitive, thus is an endless flickering.

{{System}}, {{Good}}

There is a duality of structure. So the big question is, which is primary, unity or completeness? I think that the answer is completeness. God is beyond us, beyond any system, and as such he is complete. God within a system is unity, and as such he is good.

{{Life}}, {{Coinciding}}

We are that system. Life is the coinciding of these two - God outside us and within us - God and good.

EternalLife, {{Separation}}

Eternal life is the separation of the two, so that unity and goodness are qualities of God's as they hold within a system, any system.

responsivity beyond sensitivity

This means that responsiveness is more important than sensitivity, for when we are responsive, then it is the God beyond us, beyond system, who responds through us. We may not be sensitive as to why to respond, and yet we can still respond on behalf of that which is beyond us. So obedience, faith, caring all help us to respond even if we are not sensitive. Eternal life is when we are responsive beyond our sensitivity.

{{Truth}}, {{Freedom}}

The truth is that which lets us respond without being sensitive. In this sense, the truth sets us free - it lets us step outside the system that we find ourselves in. It also lets us reach others and them reach us across great divides.

{{Observed}}, {{Observer}}

This suggests that God as observed (and complete) is primary because God as observer (and unified) makes sense only within a system, as he is observing through us. Or am I mistaken? This is important to think about. The logic is that, in the beginning, God was available to be observed. But nobody was there to observe him. So he observed himself. He went beyond himself to become an observer and thereby he created us, a system through which he might observe himself.

Gospel of John

Go through notes on the GospelOfJohn, especially regarding EternalLife.

KnowEverything vs. ApplyUsefully

What is God's interest? God's interest is not that we simply access our full potential, but that we achieve it. More important than knowing everything is that we apply such knowledge usefully. It is useful if it regards our {{Life}}. Indeed, knowledge about our life is that knowledge which we avoid as it holds us accountable to the extent that we are. We avoid this knowledge by not being clear of soul.


{{Love}} is the support of life. To have knowledge of life is the nature of love, and to apply that knowledge is the practice of love. Love is what is important to God and why the knowledge of everything is relevant to him. It is relevant as a framework for the practice of love.

OpenOurselves (GoodWill)

In seeing through us, God relates to himself as {{Observer}} and {{Observed}}, and in practice, as lover and loved. His relationship becomes one of practice when we open ourselves and are transparent to him. This is our calling. Our knowing everything is not essential to our calling, but may support our calling as we identify with him and his love. Yet it is enough for us to open ourselves that through us he may love. Thus the knowledge of everything may, from God's point of view, be understood as the story of love as the support of life, and how we participate by opening ourselves to that relationship.

Life is the goodness of God

Life is the connection of goodness (God inside) and God (God outside). Life is the goodness of God. God inside us is the one who is the Observer. God outside of us is the one who is Observed. God sees himself through us, and likewise, he is seen by himself through us. Life is that God sees through us, but eternal life is that God is seen through us. The former is fleeting, but the latter has us matter forever.

Eternal life is the understanding of the goodness of God

Eternal life is the separation (the understanding) of goodness and God.


God's love supports eternal life. Life is the connection from Observer to Observed through us, and love is the support for this connection. But eternal life is the separation of Observed from Observer by allowing for our freedom in the gaps. And God's love is the support for this separation.

love vs. endless love

{{Love}} is what connects within the system, by going from God to good, and EndlessLove is what separates by connecting with that which is beyond the system, by going from good to God. So love is BeingOneWith. {{Love}} is being {{Unified}}, and EndlessLove is being {{Complete}}, but the nature of both - and the nature of God - is BeingOneWith. The nature of God within the system is love, and the nature of God beyond the system is endless love, which is to say, God. We may think of endless love as absolute love.


We always love the good, but if we separate God and good, then that is a greater love, for we then love God. To love God is to LoveYourEnemy, and perhaps to love good is to LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, to love the one who is good to you. We can't know if God is good to us, for God is so much bigger than us, and it may always turn out that he is bad to us. In this sense, to love God is to be responsive where we are not sensitive. We are able to love even when we have no reason why - we are able to project our generalizations even when we have no data to support them. We are free to choose.

==={{God}}'s view and {{Human}}'s view===

{{Human}}, {{Access}}, {{God}}

{{Human}} is the access that God has to himself as Observer to Observed. That access is either {{Everything}}, {{Anything}}, {{Something}} or {{Nothing}}. It manifests itself either as a connection made by the human (as in life), or as the clearing of a way, which keeps separate, and allows God to manifest himself (as in eternal life). The Observer is within the human, is within the system, whereas the Observed is beyond any system. Human is definite access, whereas God is indefinite access, from either one direction (Observed) or the other direction (Observer). {{Human}} stays within himself. Human is self-limited. {{God}} goes beyond himself. God is self-unlimited. God goes beyond himself into human. God is prior to human, for God goes beyond himself into human, and yet human stays within himself. Human is God within a system.


The chains take us from either Observer to Observed (through stepping in) or from Observed to Observer (through stepping out). Which is eternal life?

{{Self}} and {{View}}

Their {{Self}} is their {{View}}. In what sense is a view itself related to our limits that we stay within or not? Our view is like a cone that we stay within, like a space time cone, whereas God's view is complementary, in that he goes beyond his and into ours.

Human's view vs. God's view

Human's view is self-limited, thus defined with regard to a definite scope. God's view is self-unlimited, thus defined with regard to an indefinite scope.

Human's view of God's view vs. God's view of human's view

Human's view of God's view is the flowthrough that is possible for a definite scope - it is the realization, the fulfillment, the making vital of the potential of that scope, it is everything that could possibly flow through that scope. And that can be understood through two directions - observer: flow out through a human's definite scope, or observed: constraints, limits upon indefiniteness. The two directions are correlated. And that way it is possible to consider all possiblities. That is God's view of human's view - the running through of all possibilities.


How does human step away from himself and take up God's view? He can do so by inviting God to take up his view, so that they coincide.


What does it mean to take up a view? It is to take up our structural limits.

Taking up God's view

God's is unlimited, and so his structural limits are unlimited structure, which is {{Everything}}. Hence his view is given by everything, and to take up his view is to take everything as our own structural limits.

A view vs. All views

Human's view is grounded in the system, and God's view is beyond the system. Hence human's view is unified, it is "a" view, whereas God's view is complete, it is all views.

Human's view of God's view

Human's view of God's view is how we choose God over ourselves, how we coincide with God. Human's view of God's view is a recurring structure because it is unity of completeness, which is to say, it is the most direct way of presenting God in structure, perhaps as "everything". It is the building block for all structure.

The levels of {{Truth}} from soft to hard

Truth is that by which we can be responsive even if we are not sensitive. Truth is that by which the human voice coincides with God's view. The extent of coinciding is given by that level in which God expresses himself, as coinciding is through God, in that he comes to us, that is the essence of coinciding.

Questions about coinciding


Consider bisecting as the opposite of coinciding, and four degrees of bisection as given by the distance of separation: by everything, anything, something or nothing. See BisectingAView, the splitting of the human mind (by the eightfold way), and how that relates to loving enemy (which requires a twofold mind and relates to loving God), and bisection is separating of human view and God's view.

KnowEverything vs. ApplyUsefully

To know everything is to coincide with God's view, and to apply usefully is to do so fully. (Relate this with the thought that to know everything is to extend fully, and to apply usefully is to coincide with the observed.)

Growth of Human

Human grows by shifting from self to view. Human increasingly identifies with senstivity rather than responsivity, so that the latter is attributed to God beyond us and within us, and we simply clear the way for him (this is morality, by which we identify with an other, more general than us). In doing so, we separate ourselves from our selves, and we acknowledge something broader than us, namely, God, and we go beyond ourselves, as God does. We determine a gradation from God is God to God is good. Eternal life is when we identify ourselves with our view. We thereby distinguish between God beyond us and God within us. Also, in this way, we have understanding.

{{Understanding}} (and {{Love}}) and {{Structure}} (and {{Self}})

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