Please see: [http://www.openleader.com/index.php/LovingGod/KingdomDeepNet KDN], where I seek to dig a root in the essence of the meaning of the 7th perspective and to establish a rapport of the organic experience of unity into the energy of the primary structure applications. In practice, this research could provide some advancement toward deploying the KDN across the www in view of easing the open source's parameters of healthy homes and safe communities.


  • Wholesome ground activation: -Heart -Mind -Soul Strength
  • Justice activation: -Word of God -Repentance -Faith -Baptism
  • Faith maintenance: -Daily reception of the Word of God(vertical) -Assimilating the Word in fellowship (horizontal State)-Breaking of bread and sharing of wine (horizontal dynamic)-Prayers and thanks giving (organic evolution of humanity's spiritual completion)

BenoitCouture: Dear Andrius and Helmut, in terms of mathematics and technology, I am basically illiterate. So I find no offense in being deleted where ever I do not make any sense to your comprehensions. That being said, I come from a deep, life long personal experience since the age of 15, of having watched myself losing the faculty of acqiuring knowledge until 18, and since then, having had to regenerate by recovering with the healing of the meaning. One very important part of that healing of the meaning's dynamics, deals as you guys do here, with sequences of foursome, as I posted 2 of those sequences up at the bottom of the list. Can consideration be given to explore if the active point of aplication in the foursome may sprout in practice from 3 merging into one, one being each me who comes alive from the force of the Trinity's sequential dynamic of the me being subtracted from the divisive power of humanity, to then be added in wholesomesess wich then multiplies from the spread of each me to each me. The Law of Connectivity, perhaps?!?...

Examples of Trinity's Connectivity:

  • -Justice -Peace -Joy
  • -Power -Love -Wisdom
  • -Love from pure heart -Good conscience -Genuine faith

{{Andrius}}: Hi Benoit! Thank you for contributing. The essence of the foursome which I describe above is not primarily the number of perspectives, but rather their structure: whether, what, how, why. Similarly for the threesome: taking a stand, following through and reflecting. So here we should look to see if you are describing the same structures or perhaps different structures. How would they match up?

((-Benoit)) Hi Andrius! I am not sure how to get in context of the questions yet, as I have difficulties in reconciling live structures of dynamics and growing states into applicable concepts of technology. At this point, my biggest obstacle, is having to ask the Lord to get into a position of concept, so that I can make an equation out of Him. He is He and it is because of the simplicity of His knowing me and of my knowing Him that I live with access to all relevance. The knowledge which is relevant to His Presence and of His direction are a matter of His deployment in my life as He knows me to be ready, from growth 's stage to grwth's stage. None of it depends on my ability or disability to figure Him out but rather on the cultivation of His awareness. It all depends on His revelation an d mt receptivity in obediance of the faith. So my joining in the discussion is to add the development of a user friendly technology for anyone who seeks the Lord, to find Him and to be given immediate access to connect with the others who are in parallel no matter the diffence of personal and social status nor the distance.

So about the sequences I offered above, I am showing that the dynamic of meaning that joins these words is where the Spirit of the Lord lives. So by developing images that connect the mesning of the sequences, we create a dynamic of compounding meaning which inter-connect universaly in perpetuty of connectivity.


  • -Justice -Peace -Joy
  • -Power -Love -Wisdom
  • -Love from pure heart -Good conscience -Genuine faith

There are 3 lines of words with 3 words each. When the first word is shown with an image that describes justice as the dynamic to forgive and to deliver, then peace develops into joy. It guides into the 2nd line where the capacity of love and wisdom abides. As a result comes alive love from a pure heart stimulating good conscience in the blossom of wisdom.

Once the user of the software comes alive from the healing of the meaning Spirit, the 3 lines of words can go from any single point to any single point and generate danses of meaning celebrations in any combination of twosomes, threesome or foursome in a connectivity that never disrups the balance and harmony of the ones left out because each contain the complete work of the Spirit in the state and dynamic of their meaning. Does that help any toward a complicity between software engeenering and the Lord's reaching out to humanity?


BenoitCouture: More deeply expressed forms of {{Love}} - from God's love to our love to another's love.


BenoitCouture 27-Nov-2005

Value Love and sanctity extend into wise knowledge

As a stay-at-home-dad-voter, Love is what I most need to be good at, but the reality of what I am made of keeps trowing me back on my heals, feeding my fear, hesitation, grumpyness ranging from bad mood to flying out the handle with rage. The evil nature of deceit keeps on compounding stress, ignorance and indifference, blinding me to the service to which Love calls me to breathe in from justice, to breathe out at peace and to live out in the strength of joy. God is Love.

The more aware I grow in Love, the more I am aware of what offends Love and how Love does get to be offended. There is no turning back either, once touched by the light of Love. The light of Love burns away the impurity and corruptibility of my mortality until burning turns to shining of the Sacred Fire.

Ongoing shadows and struggles go on until maturity is reached and when that day comes, private do I become in the war between light and darkness of the present human condition.

My search for Value Love is to discover how to develop the intimate community focus within the boundaries where my love ones and I get to be kept on shining so bright from the mutual comfort of one another's presence and of our response to the moment that each offenses become an experience, swiftly learned by all involved.

From strength to strength, imagine the trans-generational renewal of the pension movement that Value Love can arouse for the present and the future, with the support of 2 generations who are awaken to see all of the Value that is going to waste for lack of healthy intimacy with the one fading away!

Value Love of the organic spiritual kind does bring on healthy intimacy, because of the personal awareness of how sensitive and delicate the Power of Love is.

The worth of Value Love is mined from our treatment of such sensitive delicacy. No shame in ridding what shames us from Love and to Value the freedom from the rule of our personal fear and collective ignorance.

The Value of Love is found in its correctional capacity and qualities. There lies from deep within each heart and spirit, the cleansing river of life eternal coming to our soul and body for the Flowcalization ...(which can now be googled for better acquaintance with the concept)

Ar Benoit paliko šitas ištraukas?

See also: {{Overview}}

===Scriptural References===

Ep: 3, 14-21 I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

2 Pe: 1, 2-4

Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Rm 12, 1-2

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

Rm 12, 9-21

Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another; not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer; distributing to the needs of the saints, given to hospitality. Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion. Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. Therefore

“ If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

===Scriptural references by BenoitCouture===


Heb 2, 10-18

For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, saying:

� I will declare Your name to My brethren; In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.�

And again:

� I will put My trust in Him.�

And again:

� Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.�

Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

Heb 4

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them,[a] not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

� So I swore in My wrath,

� They shall not enter My rest,��

although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: �And God rested on the seventh day from all His works�; and again in this place: �They shall not enter My rest.� Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, �Today,� after such a long time, as it has been said:

� Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.�

For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

The Word Discovers Our Condition

Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. Our Compassionate High Priest

Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need."

2 Cor 3, 7-17 "But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious. Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech� unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord."

Paul says to the Romains 8:

"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you."

Jesus says: "If you persevere in my word, you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free."

James 1, 23-25 says: "But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does."

Benoit mintys...

See also: {{Overview}}, {{Complete}}

===Scriptural References===

To describe the "unobstructed Overview, here is a passage that holds together like a loaf of bread.

===Cor: 2===

And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written:

? Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.?

But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man?s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. For ?who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?? But we have the mind of Christ.

And then, Peter tells us how to remain unobstructed in our view:

2 Pe: 1, 2-11

"Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

And 1 John: 1, 5-10 tells us how to get restored to clarity, when in need to be reset in the pure focus of transparency's climate of intelligence and loving wisdom:

"This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. (reality of distance elimination)

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."


{{Andrius}}: Benoit, Thank you for your thoughts, which perhaps fit here at this page regarding the Unobstructed, for true knowledge is I think that which does not obstruct, does not keep us from knowing more.

Benoit adds on: Here are the lyrics from a song of Jon Anderson who used to sing for the British band named YES. It is the title song from a solo album called "Song of Seven". That song and album have contributed with great value in maintaining my journey's evolution into clarity and experience for over 2 decades now. He sings:


Met me a stranger, he came here to town bearing gifts full of promises, discoveries of light.

Sold my many reasons why my merry tale could be justified and just, both together entwined.

I tell you of a reason, he said bless you fool you for you want "so belief" yet you want so more "you seeker".

Now I see you're baffled yet again you administer fear.

%Of the unexpected you dont know the score.

Everywhere you look you release part of your senses and everywhere there's purpose in answers to all of your dreams.

I can hear you saying, "What a dreamer, what a fool to life. Isn't it a pity that he wont come back to earth."

Haven't you imagination and is it not available how you can be sooner or later than you're thinking?

Haven't you imagination and is it so impossible that you ask of everything so your eyes can see clearly.

So in an instant you're story bound, a desert, the underground, on mountains high, a glacier, the heat of the day!

City jungle, the sky at night in space on a merry ride; an atmosphere impossible, so you never cared!

So we talk about the strength of dreaming and we talked at length of every dream and we talked about the strength of dreaming yes, we talked about the strength of dreaming...

In the meeting place, I sit betwixt the points of heaven!

I befelt a friendly atmosphere revolving around seven!

Oh that number mystified my soul and captured within feelings. Those of doubt and understanding, hand in hand they set me reeling in the seventh dream to stand alone but not without the strength of love to guide our way every day.

Oh the seventh dream your smile can bring love on and on and time will flow forever clear. The seventh dream standing so near and very soon we'll walk with love; Love that I can sing to you, you, you

Is it this time of day that makes me realise, the sun is coming out to shine again, tomorrow, tomorrow; is it this time of day that gives you hope?

Is it this time of times that comes between the light? Are there so many dreamers in this life between a moment's time? Are the stairways of love, The StarLight, The Starlight... Telling me that there's something else to cling onto, cling onto...

(ending with the sounds of newborn child who responds to gentle high frequecny bells and dings... pure delight for purposes of deep comfort as from eternity) ]

Such is the quality of mentorship, along with many other song crafters who guided my perceptions from French to English, in the celebration of the human mind's wavelength of Lucidity-Responsability-Liberty...hooohhhohohoho...Sweet Presence effected inthrough all my senses by the phonic perception that secures my innermost being in the assurance of not getting screwed by the knowledge givers, be it in my mind's opening to natural or medical sciences or in the astronomic powers of the Spirit in my spirit and heart to reach in to my soul-body reality, filled of eternal life in my here and now....thank you dear God for such gift of familarity with You and with all whom You love so that we are blessed to behold Your glory that binds us in Your Overview. Guide us in Your victory over stress and the compulsive nature of our old man and allow for Your completion of the new man/woman to shine forth in us all with Your Open Lead at Minciu Sodas and all of our extended family...amen...



Would it not make sense at this point for you to feel comfortable in being empowered by our Father in heaven Who is here and now from eternity, because of our hosting Him in our personal and communal currencies?

I am asking this question because I think that what you mean to say is that you are becoming aware of how ready you have been prepared to move on in the maturity of the universal identity, with the simplicity of the potency of "The organic experience of spiritual unity".

In one of our first encounter,you asked me: "What is your key concept in life, ...the one that ties in with all of your other values in life?"

I had never thought of establishing a personal root to my life's journey through time and space, until you took me there! My spontanious answer was as I mentioned, "The Organic Experience of Spiritual Unity", and you have supported me ever since we met on the internet 19 months ago. I am one of the fishes in your personal net, that Jesus invites us to cast out as "His fishers of men"!

Your Internet catch of me is a confirmation to both of us, of His infallibility to guide us, whomever He can call His own with our complete permission, because of His Being into our being, here and now from eternity!

So now that you went ahead and stuck your neck out in the middle of humanity's core of violence, reaching as far as where ever current sanity allows to look into?!..., how about going for the Faculty of Living, where we host all human knowledge, experience, sciences and faculties into the completion of one another, from out of competition's non-sense pursuit?

The only mystery is BeingOneWith, as we can participate in that, but we can't know it, as it is prior to knowledge.

Benoit Salut Andius, I suggest to you that God's key concept is "Being". Love is the nature of His Being. "I am that I am" was His introduction to Moses, which was re-affirmed and expounded by the Person and the life of Christ-Jesus in our midst.

Hi Andrius,

I joined 2 days ago the following site on Dupral from Australia: http://www.stratagility.com/home/aboutus?PHPSESSID=c625ffdc2a3ab06a2531e00d2eae70da Mark, Adam and you seem to have a whole lot in common, one of whom is Chris Macrae. The 2 questions above are of live consequence for me. So I am using your questions to bring up the thread that I joined yesterday. My last posting is of this morning in a conversation with Mark:

I noticed that when you click to the following link, it takes you to the middle of the thread. I suggest to go to the top of the page to read the whole thread as it speaks of something important regarding Einstein's thought process. Let me please know if you see this as fitting and relevant to your questions, thanks and peace!...


Regarding your question to Andrius, I suggest that {{Thought}} fits as the currency between the Begining and the End or, to put it differently, {{Thought}} is the live activation of reality's materialization from the Alpha to the Omega or, from a purely selfish view, {{Thought}} is the sensual pleasure of eternal life 's completing expression in the joy of Being and of working with God. Hope it helps!

...all blessings be with us all... Benoit(17) Couture


BenoitCouture: Dear Andrius,

I love this word: "OMNISCOPE". With this word coming in the sight of your work, you are now located to materialize the Internet tool, born of the nature to live from the presence of God and to journey by Loving God in the full view of the Public Domain.

Omniscope is positioned to serve as the Internet host who invites and strenghtens all of humanity's YES while affirming without compromise where NO must remain. Multiculturalism finds its uniculture and deploys with the Omniscope, the common denominator born from the Law of the Spirit of Life.

From the culture of the Omniscope on the Internet, there begins the assembling of a mature people of all people. From Minciu Sodas lab grows the passage from minimum online networking to maximum ground activity of spiritual nature. In our calling, we get to serve, settled in the universal family who welcomes the opportunity to share the best that we all have to offer one another.



Omni potent: all powerful: ...[{{LovingGod/CleansingOurVisionOfTheCrown}} cleansing our vision of the Crown]... [{{LovingGod/QuieteningSilenceOfPatientWisdom}} The Quietning Silence of Patient Wisdom]

Omni present: everywhere, all places at all times: Organic experience of spiritual unity LovingGod/ExperienceOfUnity LovingGod/UniversalFaith

Omni scient: knowing all things as in God Consciousness: Healing the Meaning LovingGod/LivingMeaning Human condition: LovingGod/HumanCondition

Omni potent: all powerful: Kingdom Deep Net LovingGod/KingdomDeepNet Call to order http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/classic/A5290968

Omni present: everywhere, all places at all times: {{LovingGod/Flowcalization}} Public Domain of the Internet and Public Broadcasters joint venture: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/G1281 http://www.knowledgeboard.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=129672&d=pnd And at the last 3 posts(as of Oct 23, 05) of [http://disruptive-mice.org/forums/711/ShowPost.aspx this thread]

Omni scient: knowing all things as in God Consciousness: Faculty of Living LovingGod/FacultyOfLiving LovingGod/STArSHINE


Development of the Global Villages from the struggling jurisdictions of the Western economies with the funding of established social services, to the jurisdiction with the curriculum from minus 40 to grade fourty.

The flowcalization of ...cleansing our vision of the Crown... into the KDN and the thought of the Omnoscope are within range of each other. Living by truth, they are being shaped and guided to assemble by Loving God, where the organic experience of spiritual unity lives in the completion of itself in the travail of labour of the whole creation, through time and space.


Ps: I came across an interesting bit of info this week in regards to a word I use a lot in the explainations of my work. I explain that I began my "official" work by joining the SUFA review of 2002. SUFA is the Social Union Framework Agreement in Canada. It was signed in 1999 and when 2002's review came, I answered to a public announcement for anyone to participate, so I did. In one of my main article, I used the name of our Prime Minister of the day and I wrote to his Office, to make sure that he could get to read it himself. The intreguing part is that when I paste this letter, now in 2005, the website reference of the SUFA review leads to a home surveillance camera add by Goooooogle. See for youself : The address is: www.sufa-review.ca and under the index of submissions you see my name there. Truly your's, BenoitCouture Thank you!

Could it be that we are getting so close to the mark of the Permanent People {{LovingGod/Summit}}, that some war lords are already felling undermined in their interest of the command and control structures???


Hi Andrius,

Thanks for the many pointers. Part of the learning I do comes from keeping an eye on the projects that are going on at the lab. Because of my personal, family and legal situation along with my non-existant finacial, all added to the physical distance that separates us, I have to proceed cautiously as to where and how I spend my time to plan and to configure the field of opportunity that will secure our life at ground level, where we can then contribute directly into distant initiatives with our time, people and resources.

When it comes to the question "where is Jesus", once conversion had happened, only our unawareness keeps us from His presence, love and wisdom, no matter where, what, how, why nor who is concern. In seeking Him, He guides us to into His presence and from there, proceeds the worship, the praise and the thanks giving that illuminates the path of obedience and of our proposals to God upon which He exercises decision-making.

Such simplicity becomes complicated and confused when there is insistance upon "a version" of Jesus instead of His presence. His presence is the reality of "One for all" so that "All for One" gets to be grounded from the invisible into the visible. Trying to apply "All for one" first so that "one for all" may be a blessing does not work and that is the way of the world's inclusion, be it from religions, empires, governments and sadly enough, from most families.

The apostle Paul is quite clear in his admonition that he quotes from an Old Testament order of the Lord:

" We have spoken openly to you, our heart is wide open. You are not restricted by us, but you are restricted by your own affections. Now in return for the same (I speak as to children), you also be open. Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you[b] are the temple of the living God. As God has said: " I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people."


" Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you." " I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the LORD Almighty."

So Andrius, I used that passage to explain why I am careful about speaking too much of Jesus where He is yet to be known as He reveals Himself. While I seek to do good to all humans, I am duty bound to the wellbeing of the saints first and to the spread of the Kingdom. I can certainly increase my inputs in the name of Jesus. The question is: Will it cause turmoil and dissent in the lab? That is why I have refrain from adding too much so far but I certainly welcome the invitation.


Benoit Couture

1 Thess 5, 23-28

Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it. Brethren, pray for us. Greet all the brethren with a holy kiss. I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read to all the holy[a] brethren. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.


{{-Benoit}}: Here is a "far out" connection that happened spontaniously when I read a little bit about Andrius topologies at: http://www.openleader.com/index.php/GlossaryOfStructure/Topologies Somehow, I experienced a great child like associative pleasure from the topologies and my exploration of the Sufi part of Islam who practice spiritual expressions of dancing:

Dear Andrius, topology is a brand new word for me and you have me quite going at this point. So instead of reading further, allow me to write up a feedback of personal affinity to the subject right away. If I get it, in theory, topology is the description of the order of dynamics of meaning, once observed and defined. In practice, it describes the mechanics of the being's fulfillment, once in order and functional. This leads me to the connective experience in the topology of unity's unology. One way with which I have survived insanity so far has been music. Dancing, playing guitar and a little keyboard when jamming with friend and singing. I do not have any claim to quality musician here, simply a pure connection to what it is to enjoy being me, here and now, with all that I am given and capable to be manifesting life in complete serenity. Topology gives me a word to connect music, meaning and movement from the essence of being in the presence of patient wisdom, seeing its sound shaping my thoughts from silence, moving my being with the energy of the wind who carries me in the dance from anything to everything, as in the dance of the nearly wedded lovers. The spontaneous moment where Jesus says: "If a man is led by the Spirit, he is like the wind. No one knows where he comes from nor where he is going." We find out as the steps of the dance unfold. Dear Andrius, this comes to me on the day after I had my first short chat with someone who is Sufi who are mystic Muslim, and the one topic was the holiness and spiritual nature of dancing with gravity. Thanks for giving me 12 steps of reference. From now on, when I sing, play out the sounds and dance, I shall contemplate with sensitivity my topologic order of 12, 4, 3, 3, 4, 12, partaking in the unologic overcoming of ignorance in the constant healing of the meaning, for the spread in prayer and the growth in action of the open source of knowledge, communing in the unity of management, with the organism's development of becoming spiritual humans. As I perceive the meaning of topology, the understanding I imbibe brings on the bliss of contemplation, assimilating, partaking and overcoming ignorance by penetrating the quietning silence of lubricated patient wisdom where the essence of our existance lights up in the substance of relevancy, relating me to peacefully enjoy who I am in the humming company of One source of human becoming from and to Self, from death unto life, eternally. Thank for this dance of completion between objective and subjective, dissolving the power of any paradox into energy for the road ahead from the essence of truth to the substance of meaning and vice versa. Benoit Couture

Pilnatvė (Complete)

Taken from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lovingGod/message/252

Blazing inspiration from within is catching on and giving us the energy to ride the currency of what surrounds us from long distances.

Scriptural roots of such experience Col: 1, 19-23 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross. And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight� if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

Col: 2, 6-10 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving. Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

Eph: 1, 15-23 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come. And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

2 pe: 1, 5-15 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. For this reason I will not be negligent to remind you always of these things, though you know and are established in the present truth. Yes, I think it is right, as long as I am in this tent, to stir you up by reminding you, knowing that shortly I must put off my tent, just as our Lord Jesus Christ showed me. Moreover I will be careful to ensure that you always have a reminder of these things after my decease.

Benoit's prayer: "Dear God, keep us balanced and surfing upon those waves of events that the winnd keeps on blowing harder and growing more dangerous. Show us how to ride the energies of despair and shame and to be a living witness of your mercy, healing and reconciling power, by Your Spirit, in the name of Christ-Jesus our Lord and brother I pray, amen!...

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COMMENT by Benoit Amdrius says: "Briefly, we may think of life as the goodness of God (or structurally, anything is everything plus slack). But, as I read in the Gospel of John, eternal life is understanding the goodness of God."

The specific quote from the Gospel of John 17, 3 is: "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." Knowing from revelation (guided investigation) or understanding(speculative research) is where the difference comes in between Faith from the Kingdom's Covenant and the world of Gods. Understanding comes from knowing and knowing comes from revelation; it does not work the other way around, where understanding could produce faith and eternal life. The simple example of this is to give all the ingredients that make up a flower to a natural scientist and to ask him/her to assemble these calcium, potassium and all the ingredients that are understood to be in a flower and to make them into a living flower. Eternal life cannot be figured out because it does not seperate from Who God is. Each speculation we go on with, makes of God a "what" as opposed to Who He is. The peace of Christ is that which keeps our hearts and mind beyond understanding and feeds us so that we may be prepared for any good deed that comes our way. It is called obediance. At some point, Jesus exults the Father in His prayer for "being pleased to hide these divine realities from the great ones of the world and to reveal them to the babes and little ones." The apostle Paul tells the Corinthians: " For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence. But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God�and righteousness and sanctification and redemption�that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the LORD."


===Scriptural References===

{{Andrius}}: Benoit, thank you for pointing to Scriptural references which help me and others consider God's outlook.

To know everything is to see what God sees when he looks through us. It is to see through our eyes in the way that he does.

To speak of unified in relation to God, humans and to creation is to speak of God's work to reconcile humanity from the curse of rejection. ({{Andrius}}: Yet we should also be able to - more fundamentally - say what unified means before there even was a humanity. Even so, I agree that we can draw important clues from our subsequent relationship.)

Some key passages related to "unified" in the bible say: (Benoit, which translation of the Bible are you citing? Here is another: http://www.ebible.org/web/Eph.htm )

I take it from the following link and I usually go for the New Kng James version and sometime Darby, peace... http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:1&version=50;

2Cor 5, 14-21 "For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again. Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ�s behalf, be reconciled to God. For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Eph: 2, 4-22 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Brought Near by His Blood

Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh�who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands� that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Christ Our Peace

For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Christ Our Cornerstone

Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

Eph: 4, 4-32 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you[a] all.

Spiritual Gifts

But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ�s gift. Therefore He says: � When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men.�[b]

(Now this, �He ascended��what does it mean but that He also first[c] descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)

And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head�Christ� from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

The New Man

This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of[d] the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. But you have not so learned Christ, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

Do Not Grieve the Spirit

Therefore, putting away lying, � Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,�[e] for we are members of one another. �Be angry, and do not sin�:[f] do not let the sun go down on your wrath, nor give place to the devil. Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.

The Lord's intersession for our unity

Jn: 17, 9-26 �I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me,[b] that they may be one as We are. While I was with them in the world,[c] I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept;[d] and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. 18 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

Jesus Prays for All Believers

�I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[e] believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

�Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.�

The personal and communal experience of being unified with God

Rm: 8, 9-39

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

Sonship Through the Spirit

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors�not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, �Abba, Father.� The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs�heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. From Suffering to Glory

For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

God�s Everlasting Love

What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Who shall bring a charge against God�s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written:

� For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.�

Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


{{Benoit}}: When we speak of coinciding, we are thinking about a point of focus that draws into functional synchronicity, the point of view from many different angles. The result of which is the assembling. To help provide a visual sense of such "Consensus Activation", I thought a good idea to share one of the fundamental health principles of our body's coinciding energy framework.

Taken from Traditional Chinese Medicine writings at: http://www.tcmbasics.com/basics_5elements.htm

Categorization of Objects, Nature and Phenomena according to the Five Elements

Elements Wood Fire Earth Metal Water Directions east south center west north Changes germinate grow transform reap store Color green red yellow white black

The Mutual Generation, Mutual Subjugation, Extreme Subjugation, and Counter Subjugation Relationships of the Five Elements

The Five Elements theory asserts that between each of the elements there exists the close relationships of mutual generation, mutual subjugation, extreme subjugation, and counter subjugation. The theory explains the interrelatedness of all things through the use of those close relationships.

Mutual generation means multiplication and promotion, while mutual subjugation means mutual restriction and restraint. The order of mutual generation among the five elements is that wood generates fire, fire generates earth, earth generates metal, metal generates water, and water generates wood. In this way generation is circular and endless. In the mutual generating relation of the five elements, each of the elements has the property of "being generate" and "generating." The one which generates is the "mother," the one which is generated is the "son." This is known as the "mother-son relationship." Each of the five elements has this type of mutual generating relationship with the other.

According to the order of mutual subjugation, however, wood subjugates earth, metal subjugates wood, etc. Each of the five elements also shares this subjugation relationship with the other. This relationship has the properties of "being subjugated" and of "subjugating." The former means that my ability is inferior to the object, while the later denotes my superiority to the object. Therefore, the mutual subjugating relationship among the five elements is also known as the relationship of "being superior to" and "being inferior to" another element.

Mutual generation and mutual subjugation are two aspects which cannot be separated. If there is no generation, then there is no birth and growth. If there is no subjugation, then there is no change and development for maintaining normal harmonious relations. As the Leijing tuyi says, "If there is no generation, then there is no growth and development. If there is no restriction, then endless growth and development will become harmful." Thus the movement and change of all things exists through their mutual generating and subjugating relationships. These relationships are the basis of the never ending circulation of natural elements.

Extreme subjugation and counter subjugation are the pathological conditions of the normal mutual generation and subjugation relationships. Extreme subjugation denotes that the subjugation of one of the five elements to another surpasses the normal level. For example, if there is hyperactivity of the wood element, it will subjugate the earth element. The latter elements is made weak and insufficient.

Counter subjugation means that one of the five elements subjugates the other opposite to the normal mutual subjugation order. For example, when metal is weak and insufficient, it leads to the hyperactivity of wood. The latter will then counter subjugate the former. In the Suwen it says:

When the qi of one of the five elements is excessive, it will subjugate its subjugated element (such as wood subjugating earth) and counter subjugate the subjugating element (such as wood counter subjugating metal).

Moreover, the Five Elements theory recognizes a correlation between those things which are related to a particular element. As the Suwen points out, "The East generates wind, wind generates wood, wood generates sour, sour generates liver, liver generates tendons....". According to Five Elements theory, each element has its own repertory of relationships among the objects that compose the physical world. The theory of Five Elements is therefore the theoretical basis of the unique bond between man and nature.

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Application of the Five Elements Theory to Traditional Chinese Medicine


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