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2021 sausio 18 d., 21:20
atliko -
Pakeista 3 eilutė iš:
[[Geros valios pratimai]], [[Klaidos]], [[Trejybės ratas]]
į:
[[Geros valios pratimai]], [[Klaidos]], [[Trejybė]]
2021 sausio 18 d., 21:20
atliko -
Pakeista 3 eilutė iš:
[[Geros valios pratimai]]
į:
[[Geros valios pratimai]], [[Klaidos]], [[Trejybės ratas]]
2021 sausio 18 d., 21:14
atliko -
Pakeista 5 eilutė iš:
'''Kaip aklavietės trukdo mums gyventi trejybės ratu?'''
į:
'''Kas trukdo mums gyventi trejybės ratu?'''
2021 sausio 18 d., 21:13
atliko -
Pakeista 3 eilutė iš:
[[Geros valios pratimai]]]
į:
[[Geros valios pratimai]]
2021 sausio 18 d., 21:11
atliko -
Pridėta 2 eilutė:
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Pridėta 7 eilutė:
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2021 sausio 18 d., 21:11
atliko -
Pakeistos 1-2 eilutės iš
į:
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[[Geros valios pratimai]]]
'''Kaip aklavietės trukdo mums gyventi trejybės ratu?'''
[[Geros valios pratimai]]]
'''Kaip aklavietės trukdo mums gyventi trejybės ratu?'''
Pakeistos 8-221 eilutės iš
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į:
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Aklavietės, tai trikdžiai, mums trukdantys sukti trejybės ratu, taip kad supainiojame širdį ir pasaulį, tad reikalingi geros valios pratimai. Jas vadindavau pavojingomis mintimis.
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[[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minciu_sodas_en/message/3033| 2003 m. kovo 25 d.]]
Our topic at Minciu Sodas is "caring about thinking". We should feel
free to think in every way, so long as we care about it. I hope this
means that we can hold together people of a wide variety of views and
interests.
We should all feel free here to share our thinking out loud. We should
be able to express ourselves with the words that best express our
political, religious, social, personal outlooks. When we speak up about
what we personally care about, then we add our voice, and help others
speak freely, too.
Rasa Ramanauskaite, our member in Lithuania, talked at our meeting there
about her wish to look to various faiths for inspiration in her quest
for truth. I'm hesitant, as I write below, but so we talked how it
might relate to "caring about thinking". A first point is that there
might be "dangerous ideas". Not all ideas are equally constructive.
Some have us care more, and others have us care less, or not care at
all. She agreed we might start by thinking about dangerous thoughts.
What are they? How can we identify them? What can we think instead?
This subject came up today elsewhere, so I wrote the letter below, which
is how I approach this question. It's an important subject, and I
welcome all manner of views here. Peace, Andrius, ms@ms.lt
----
There do exist "dangerous thoughts" which can cause awful pain and
damage. There are ideas so twisted, that taken to heart they might cut
a person off from any kind of help, and any kind of life.
Good ideas can be slandered as bad ideas. So how can we figure it out?
All of our mistaken ideas can be recognized and undone, so long as
we hold our ideas accountable. The only way to damn ourselves is to
stop judging the tree by the fruit (what was called the only sin that
can not be forgiven).
So I suppose the worst idea is to judge the tree to be good when the
fruit is bad.
Some other awful ideas in that direction:
* Focus on what makes us different, rather than what makes us the same.
* Focus on pursuit of perfection, rather than just being perfect.
* Believing that everything we do is dictated by our needs; refusing to
acknowledge that we are free to give up our own needs by taking up those
of others.
Such an ugly idea, that it may make us think twice:
* Hating a good person, because they make us look bad.
Dreadfully stupid ideas, which are hard to let go of, until we have
something better:
* Going down hill is fun.
* Doing bad makes you appreciate good.
* Good requires bad.
* We're already in trouble, so we might as well go along.
Suspect ideas:
* Using knowledge, secrets, esoteric teachings, etc. to create divisions.
* Paying money for life.
* Seeking power rather than simply seeking good.
* Seeking harmony rather than truth.
* Demanding humility, praise, worship.
* Trusting yourself or others.
* Judging based on appearances.
* Not allowing for our ignorance, especially of others.
* Valuing pride, trust, or anything empty.
* There are no answers.
* There are always scars.
* Having others as teachers, parents, gurus, facilitators, assurance givers, life changers, healers or being such.
Unproductive ideas:
* Approaching life objectively, rather than subjectively.
* Dabbling in other worldviews, rather than fleshing out your own.
* Studying other Scriptures, rather than delving into the one that you actually believe.
Ideas to challenge:
* People can't change.
* There are people who are doomed.
Ideas to believe:
* There is truth.
* There is one truth.
Ideas to consider, that can change everything:
* I can't fix 'me', I am beyond repair of my own efforts.
* I do not have to be 'me' or anybody at all.
* I can change my mind.
* I do not have to be consistent.
* God can live through me.
Questions that de-brainwash, that allow us to wake-up:
* What do I truly want?
* How does it seem to me?
* What else should I be doing?
* Would it make any difference?
* What do I have control over?
* Am I able to consider the question?
* Is this the way things should be?
* Am I doing anything about this?
The questions above let us draw the distinction between the spirit and
the system. Answers that are from the heart, from inside, idealistic,
the spirit rather than from the "conventional wisdom" of the world:
* I like it... in that it doesn't seem
* I need it... in that I should be doing something different
* it's real... in that it doesn't make any difference
* it's problematic... in that I have control over it
* it's reasonable... in that I'm not able to consider the question
* it's wrong... in that it's the way things should be
Answers from the world, from society, pragmatic, the system are:
* I like it... in that it seems
* I need it... in that I shouldn't be doing anything different
* it's real... in that it makes a difference
* it's problematic... in that I don't have control over it
* it's reasonable... in that I'm able to consider the question
* it's wrong... in that it's not the way things should be
Idea that is sufficient:
* Love your neighbor as yourself.
Idea that is more than sufficient:
* Love God
(Where, in particular, God is the one who loves us more than we love
ourselves, wants us to be alive, sensitive, responsive, more than we do,
wants us to live forever).
Given that all the potions are so dangerous, I would not mess around, I
would choose my medicine, and drink it down. I admit I'm afraid to get
mislead by the fruit, so I'd rather just choose the tree that I want to
stake my fate with.
I think it's fair that we take what we grew up with, and build on
whatever faith we have already, to the extent that we can. Read your
Scriptures, and wrestle with them.
I believe in Christ, and grew up Roman Catholic. I accept the faith,
but I have trouble finding practitioners. Yet I have met a few priests
who stand out because they actually believe. I think they are the ones
who look at life, and then compare it with the Scriptures, rather than
the other way around. They are the ones who are not afraid to disagree
with God.
I think it is fair to be skeptical of psychiatry, to the extent that it
is a relationship of non-equals (and attracts people who look for such
relationships). An alternative is having friends, investing in
friendships, people we can both listen to and talk to.
Bible study in small groups is quite remarkable. I think because the
Bible is a great equalizer, it dishes out wisdom to everybody, so it
forces us to respect it in others. As such, it can also help people
open up, become friends, and learn to pray. All of this, even if you
are an atheist. Go to a Chinese church, they will treat you well. They
are like early Christians.
Prayer is extremely healthy. A great source of peace. Learn to talk to
God. Then learn to listen to God. That's a trip! Get to know God, and
care about God, to the point where you love God.
Cass McNutt is the one I know who loves God.
http://thoughtsonfaith.weblogger.com/
He rejoices in God. Just plain beautiful.
Worship make sense. Go to Visalia in the Central Valley of California
to worship God in a basketball gym, dancing and waving flags. I do.
If you're looking for a drastic edge to your religious life, buy some
peanuts from a street missionary, then go to their church. Especially
if it's a church for recovering addicts. Join their services. You will
see people for whom religion is a life or death experience. Casting out
demons will make a lot of sense - breaking out of the shells that we get
lost in, where demons build their nests.
Tapping into a similarly deep current is the Alcoholics Anonymous way of
life. Anything that hooks your practical daily life into a "higher
power" that you have to deal with to get things done.
If life has not blessed you with such in-your-face challenges, then just
ratchet up your life by serving others and sharing the truth until you
have lots of enemies. Then you can "love your enemy" and that will make
clear, who are you with your enemy, and who is the loving God.
I think there's great stuff to be found in non-Christian material like
the Tao, Dhammapada, Bhagavad Gita, Buddhist Zen koans, Plato's
"Republic", Kant, Stephen Covey's "Seven Habits of Successful People",
Christopher Alexander's "The Timeless Way of Building", the life and
writings of Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. A very pretty Scripture
is that of the Noble Drew Ali of the Moorish Science Temple of America.
I will pick up an evangelical Christian book like vodka, just to keep
me open, and build up my tolerance. Watchman Nee is fantastic, Fromke
is good. As for the Bible, if you read the "Sermon on the Mount",
Matthew 5-7, just those five pages, and it says nothing to you, then I
have no clue how the rest could interest you, but the author has a way.
Carry the Psalms when you fear.
If you want something completely non-traditional, I would hang out with
Flemming Funch, http://ming.tv I like his range of interests and his
overall outlook. In other words, I like the fruit on his trees. He
knows all kinds of stuff that I think are a mixed bag, like
Neurolinguistic Programming and such. I suppose he's good at sorting
through the stuff.
Call David Ellison-Bey in Chicago for some thoughts. He's read stuff I
would never care to, and survived it all. I love to hear him ramble on
and on about life, and how it all revolves around the racial caste
system, and yet he covers all the bases, with good spirit.
Sharing freely what is free to share,
Aklavietės, tai trikdžiai, mums trukdantys sukti trejybės ratu, taip kad supainiojame širdį ir pasaulį, tad reikalingi geros valios pratimai. Jas vadindavau pavojingomis mintimis.
-------------------------
[[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minciu_sodas_en/message/3033| 2003 m. kovo 25 d.]]
Our topic at Minciu Sodas is "caring about thinking". We should feel
free to think in every way, so long as we care about it. I hope this
means that we can hold together people of a wide variety of views and
interests.
We should all feel free here to share our thinking out loud. We should
be able to express ourselves with the words that best express our
political, religious, social, personal outlooks. When we speak up about
what we personally care about, then we add our voice, and help others
speak freely, too.
Rasa Ramanauskaite, our member in Lithuania, talked at our meeting there
about her wish to look to various faiths for inspiration in her quest
for truth. I'm hesitant, as I write below, but so we talked how it
might relate to "caring about thinking". A first point is that there
might be "dangerous ideas". Not all ideas are equally constructive.
Some have us care more, and others have us care less, or not care at
all. She agreed we might start by thinking about dangerous thoughts.
What are they? How can we identify them? What can we think instead?
This subject came up today elsewhere, so I wrote the letter below, which
is how I approach this question. It's an important subject, and I
welcome all manner of views here. Peace, Andrius, ms@ms.lt
----
There do exist "dangerous thoughts" which can cause awful pain and
damage. There are ideas so twisted, that taken to heart they might cut
a person off from any kind of help, and any kind of life.
Good ideas can be slandered as bad ideas. So how can we figure it out?
All of our mistaken ideas can be recognized and undone, so long as
we hold our ideas accountable. The only way to damn ourselves is to
stop judging the tree by the fruit (what was called the only sin that
can not be forgiven).
So I suppose the worst idea is to judge the tree to be good when the
fruit is bad.
Some other awful ideas in that direction:
* Focus on what makes us different, rather than what makes us the same.
* Focus on pursuit of perfection, rather than just being perfect.
* Believing that everything we do is dictated by our needs; refusing to
acknowledge that we are free to give up our own needs by taking up those
of others.
Such an ugly idea, that it may make us think twice:
* Hating a good person, because they make us look bad.
Dreadfully stupid ideas, which are hard to let go of, until we have
something better:
* Going down hill is fun.
* Doing bad makes you appreciate good.
* Good requires bad.
* We're already in trouble, so we might as well go along.
Suspect ideas:
* Using knowledge, secrets, esoteric teachings, etc. to create divisions.
* Paying money for life.
* Seeking power rather than simply seeking good.
* Seeking harmony rather than truth.
* Demanding humility, praise, worship.
* Trusting yourself or others.
* Judging based on appearances.
* Not allowing for our ignorance, especially of others.
* Valuing pride, trust, or anything empty.
* There are no answers.
* There are always scars.
* Having others as teachers, parents, gurus, facilitators, assurance givers, life changers, healers or being such.
Unproductive ideas:
* Approaching life objectively, rather than subjectively.
* Dabbling in other worldviews, rather than fleshing out your own.
* Studying other Scriptures, rather than delving into the one that you actually believe.
Ideas to challenge:
* People can't change.
* There are people who are doomed.
Ideas to believe:
* There is truth.
* There is one truth.
Ideas to consider, that can change everything:
* I can't fix 'me', I am beyond repair of my own efforts.
* I do not have to be 'me' or anybody at all.
* I can change my mind.
* I do not have to be consistent.
* God can live through me.
Questions that de-brainwash, that allow us to wake-up:
* What do I truly want?
* How does it seem to me?
* What else should I be doing?
* Would it make any difference?
* What do I have control over?
* Am I able to consider the question?
* Is this the way things should be?
* Am I doing anything about this?
The questions above let us draw the distinction between the spirit and
the system. Answers that are from the heart, from inside, idealistic,
the spirit rather than from the "conventional wisdom" of the world:
* I like it... in that it doesn't seem
* I need it... in that I should be doing something different
* it's real... in that it doesn't make any difference
* it's problematic... in that I have control over it
* it's reasonable... in that I'm not able to consider the question
* it's wrong... in that it's the way things should be
Answers from the world, from society, pragmatic, the system are:
* I like it... in that it seems
* I need it... in that I shouldn't be doing anything different
* it's real... in that it makes a difference
* it's problematic... in that I don't have control over it
* it's reasonable... in that I'm able to consider the question
* it's wrong... in that it's not the way things should be
Idea that is sufficient:
* Love your neighbor as yourself.
Idea that is more than sufficient:
* Love God
(Where, in particular, God is the one who loves us more than we love
ourselves, wants us to be alive, sensitive, responsive, more than we do,
wants us to live forever).
Given that all the potions are so dangerous, I would not mess around, I
would choose my medicine, and drink it down. I admit I'm afraid to get
mislead by the fruit, so I'd rather just choose the tree that I want to
stake my fate with.
I think it's fair that we take what we grew up with, and build on
whatever faith we have already, to the extent that we can. Read your
Scriptures, and wrestle with them.
I believe in Christ, and grew up Roman Catholic. I accept the faith,
but I have trouble finding practitioners. Yet I have met a few priests
who stand out because they actually believe. I think they are the ones
who look at life, and then compare it with the Scriptures, rather than
the other way around. They are the ones who are not afraid to disagree
with God.
I think it is fair to be skeptical of psychiatry, to the extent that it
is a relationship of non-equals (and attracts people who look for such
relationships). An alternative is having friends, investing in
friendships, people we can both listen to and talk to.
Bible study in small groups is quite remarkable. I think because the
Bible is a great equalizer, it dishes out wisdom to everybody, so it
forces us to respect it in others. As such, it can also help people
open up, become friends, and learn to pray. All of this, even if you
are an atheist. Go to a Chinese church, they will treat you well. They
are like early Christians.
Prayer is extremely healthy. A great source of peace. Learn to talk to
God. Then learn to listen to God. That's a trip! Get to know God, and
care about God, to the point where you love God.
Cass McNutt is the one I know who loves God.
http://thoughtsonfaith.weblogger.com/
He rejoices in God. Just plain beautiful.
Worship make sense. Go to Visalia in the Central Valley of California
to worship God in a basketball gym, dancing and waving flags. I do.
If you're looking for a drastic edge to your religious life, buy some
peanuts from a street missionary, then go to their church. Especially
if it's a church for recovering addicts. Join their services. You will
see people for whom religion is a life or death experience. Casting out
demons will make a lot of sense - breaking out of the shells that we get
lost in, where demons build their nests.
Tapping into a similarly deep current is the Alcoholics Anonymous way of
life. Anything that hooks your practical daily life into a "higher
power" that you have to deal with to get things done.
If life has not blessed you with such in-your-face challenges, then just
ratchet up your life by serving others and sharing the truth until you
have lots of enemies. Then you can "love your enemy" and that will make
clear, who are you with your enemy, and who is the loving God.
I think there's great stuff to be found in non-Christian material like
the Tao, Dhammapada, Bhagavad Gita, Buddhist Zen koans, Plato's
"Republic", Kant, Stephen Covey's "Seven Habits of Successful People",
Christopher Alexander's "The Timeless Way of Building", the life and
writings of Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. A very pretty Scripture
is that of the Noble Drew Ali of the Moorish Science Temple of America.
I will pick up an evangelical Christian book like vodka, just to keep
me open, and build up my tolerance. Watchman Nee is fantastic, Fromke
is good. As for the Bible, if you read the "Sermon on the Mount",
Matthew 5-7, just those five pages, and it says nothing to you, then I
have no clue how the rest could interest you, but the author has a way.
Carry the Psalms when you fear.
If you want something completely non-traditional, I would hang out with
Flemming Funch, http://ming.tv I like his range of interests and his
overall outlook. In other words, I like the fruit on his trees. He
knows all kinds of stuff that I think are a mixed bag, like
Neurolinguistic Programming and such. I suppose he's good at sorting
through the stuff.
Call David Ellison-Bey in Chicago for some thoughts. He's read stuff I
would never care to, and survived it all. I love to hear him ramble on
and on about life, and how it all revolves around the racial caste
system, and yet he covers all the bases, with good spirit.
Sharing freely what is free to share,
2014 lapkričio 25 d., 12:31
atliko -
2014 lapkričio 10 d., 03:02
atliko -
Ištrintos 3-7 eilutės:
* Kaip atsiranda aklavietės? Neįveikiami klausimai? Ir kaip aklavietės įveikiamos? išsiaiškinimais?
* Ar antrinės sandaros išsako aklavietes? Kaip aklavietės įveikiamos: padalinimais požiūriai derinami; atvaizdais požiūrių atsisakoma; aplinkybėmis požiūriai priimami; kalbomis požiūriai išgyvenami, atjaučiami, apibendrinami.
* Kaip suvokimas (jog Dievas nebūtinai geras) mums suteikia laisvės, išsprendžia aklavietes, kaip tampame viena? Kaip vienas kitą palaikome ar smukdome?
* Kaip atsiranda aklavietės? Neįveikiami klausimai? Ir kaip jos įveikiamos? išsiaiškinimais? - Aklavietės susijusios su pilka riba, su upe, su primetimu, kad Dievas būtinai geras. Aklavietę įvaldome įtvirtindami ribą, ją priimdami kaip aplinką, kurioje įmanoma veikla, gyvybingumas
2014 gegužės 15 d., 12:45
atliko -
Pridėtos 1-2 eilutės:
Aklavietės, tai trikdžiai, mums trukdantys sukti trejybės ratu, taip kad supainiojame širdį ir pasaulį, tad reikalingi geros valios pratimai. Jos turėtų būti susiję su [[pavojingos mintys|pavojingomis mintimis]].
2014 vasario 03 d., 16:16
atliko -
Pridėtos 1-8 eilutės:
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* Kaip atsiranda aklavietės? Neįveikiami klausimai? Ir kaip aklavietės įveikiamos? išsiaiškinimais?
* Ar antrinės sandaros išsako aklavietes? Kaip aklavietės įveikiamos: padalinimais požiūriai derinami; atvaizdais požiūrių atsisakoma; aplinkybėmis požiūriai priimami; kalbomis požiūriai išgyvenami, atjaučiami, apibendrinami.
* Kaip suvokimas (jog Dievas nebūtinai geras) mums suteikia laisvės, išsprendžia aklavietes, kaip tampame viena? Kaip vienas kitą palaikome ar smukdome?
* Kaip atsiranda aklavietės? Neįveikiami klausimai? Ir kaip jos įveikiamos? išsiaiškinimais? - Aklavietės susijusios su pilka riba, su upe, su primetimu, kad Dievas būtinai geras. Aklavietę įvaldome įtvirtindami ribą, ją priimdami kaip aplinką, kurioje įmanoma veikla, gyvybingumas
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* Kaip atsiranda aklavietės? Neįveikiami klausimai? Ir kaip aklavietės įveikiamos? išsiaiškinimais?
* Ar antrinės sandaros išsako aklavietes? Kaip aklavietės įveikiamos: padalinimais požiūriai derinami; atvaizdais požiūrių atsisakoma; aplinkybėmis požiūriai priimami; kalbomis požiūriai išgyvenami, atjaučiami, apibendrinami.
* Kaip suvokimas (jog Dievas nebūtinai geras) mums suteikia laisvės, išsprendžia aklavietes, kaip tampame viena? Kaip vienas kitą palaikome ar smukdome?
* Kaip atsiranda aklavietės? Neįveikiami klausimai? Ir kaip jos įveikiamos? išsiaiškinimais? - Aklavietės susijusios su pilka riba, su upe, su primetimu, kad Dievas būtinai geras. Aklavietę įvaldome įtvirtindami ribą, ją priimdami kaip aplinką, kurioje įmanoma veikla, gyvybingumas
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