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2019 kovo 26 d., 09:33
atliko -
Pakeistos 1-166 eilutės iš
Žr.taip pat: LoveGod, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, LoveYourEnemy, Concerns, GoodUnderstanding, SharedUnderstanding, GodsWill, GoodWill
Dešimt Dievo įsakymų yra[[Dievo šokis | Dievo šokyje]] Dievo Dvasios kampą išdėstanti sandara.
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Apibrėžti sandarą 4+6
* Suvokti 6+4 dviprasmybę ir jos svarbą, kaip ji grindžia asmenų trejybę.
* Širdies tiesomis suvokti sandarą 6+4.
* Išvesti 6 neigiamus Dievo įsakymus iš 4 teigiamų Dievo įsakymų.
* Išvesti 6 antrines sandaras iš 4 pirminių sandarų.
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Žmogus susidaro iš kūno (poreikiams), proto (abejonėms), širdies-jausmų (lūkesčiams) ir dvasios-valios (vertybėms). Dvasia reiškiasi kūnu; sandaros protu; atvaizdai širdimi; vieningumas valia. Teigiamais įsakymais jais visais mylime Dievą, netroškimais palaikome jo troškimus - kūnu amžiną gyvenimą, proto išmintį, širdimi gerą valią, valia Dievo valią. O neigiamais įsakymais draudžiame atskirti, atkirsti, atsieti, atplėšti juos:
* nežudyti - protą nuo kūno atkirsti
* nesvetimauti - širdį nuo kūno atkirsti
* nevogti - širdį nuo proto atkirsti
* negeisti svetimo daikto - valią nuo širdies atkirsti
* nemeluoti - valią nuo proto atkirsti
* negeisti svetimo žmogaus - valią nuo kūno atkirsti
Tuo tarpu Dievas gali suderinti visus lygmenis.
Palyginti su poreikiais: nežudyti - gyvybės, nevogti - saugumo, nesvetmoteriauti - bendravimo, nemeluoti - vertės, negeist daikto - laisvės, negeisti žmogaus - pilnavertiškumo.
Neversti rinktis Ne (nežudyti), Ne Taip (nevogti), Taip (nesvetmoteriauti), Ne Ne (nemeluoti), Rinktis, Nesirinkti
Palyginti su Jėzaus antitezėmis, dvejonėmis.
Asmuo, kūnas, turtas, tikslas:
* Pažeisti kūną, paneigti asmenį: žudyti
* Pažeisti turtą, paneigti asmenį: vogti
* Pažeisti turtą, paneigti kūną: svetmoteriauti
* Pažeisti svajonę, paneigti turtą: meluoti
* Pažeisti svajonę, paneigti kūną: geisti žmogų
* Pažeisti svajonę, paneigti asmenį: geisti daiktą
Vieningas asmuo, nevieningas kūnas; vieningas asmuo, nevieninga širdis/turtas ir t.t.
>><<
The Ten Commandments are 4 positive commandments ("Love God") plus 6 negative commandments ("Love your neighbor as yourself"). The six negative commandments prohibit us from playing God, from manipulating others in to making choices:
* murder - insist that victim choose to resist
* adulter - insist that victim choose to go along
* lie - insist that victim choose to not resist ("I would have stopped you")
* steal - insist that victim choose to not go along ("I didn't say you could have that")
* covet house (position?) - insist that victim choose to not choose
* covet things - insist that victim choose to choose
Here the victim may be the perpetrator and his or her associates. The problem with manipulation is that I can never completely manipulate myself. I will always have some freedom left. So who am I to go to somebody as a fighter with whom they must fight? or as a lover with whom they must love? I manipulate them to be like me, but I always know (my conscience!) that I am free to leave, even though my manipulations insist that they stay on. So the evil is my insistence of their staying in the face of my knowledge that I can leave. "Love your neighbor as yourself": slack is the difference between myself and my neighbor. My neighbor is anybody close enough for me to give slack to in any way. When we manipulate others, we hurt ourselves by tuning out the true openings in life.
http://www.ms.lt/en/andrius/understanding/diagrams/commandments.gif
----
[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/308 June 2, 2003]
I am thinking more about the Ten Commandments, especially the six that
are "Do not..."
I like the idea of there being different scopes in life, roughly:
outlook, talk, work, life. And I think that the pairs of scopes are
somehow relevant. But I need to figure that out better, what that means.
Here are some thoughts.
Generally, all six should somehow express "Love your neighbor as yourself".
The wrong comes somehow from collapsing the levels, perhaps:
Lie = care for talk without care for work
Murder = care for outlook without care for life
Covet things = care for outlook without care for talk
Steal = care for work without care for life
Covet people = care for outlook without care for work
Commit adultery = care for talk without care for life
These are particular forms of dishonor for that which goes beyond
outlook, talk, work.
It seems that, given two levels, we associate the broader level with our
neighbor, the narrower with ourselves.
----
[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/309 June 3, 2003]
I'm pursuing my thoughts...
Maybe there is a connection somewhere with the idea of values.
I think in leaps, not always explained, but perhaps they might encourage
your own leaps in thought.
Andrius, http://www.ms.lt
-----------------------------------------
I should ask, What is a command?
I looked over my notes from the Gospel of John, and noted the "command"
of God, associated with "I am the true vine". I think this is the sixth
in the unfolding of the "I am" statements, and I think associated with
structure, with its completion.
So perhaps from God's perspective, command (or the law) and structure
are the same.
I wrote in April about the Spirit in the System:
* God is Spirit.
* Structure is beyond Spirit.
* Good is Spirit in Structure.
* Life is the coinciding of the Spirit outside structure, and the Spirit within Structure. In other words, Life is the fact that God is good.
I think of structure as the walls that allow for a richer geometry by
which the Spirit can variously relate with itself.
The Spirit creates Structure as part of going beyond itself.
But as part of going beyond itself, I think it also embeds Spirit that
finds itself within Structure. And that Spirit - we, the bounded - must
manifest itself by going beyond itself, and beyond the structure,
appealing to that which we project to be beyond. In this way we
overcome the Structure that we find ourselves within.
So what does it mean to have a command?
What does that command appeal to?
I will think about this. But a command appeals to an inner coherence
that we exercise through our will, and is backed up by an outer
coherence that compels us. So perhaps it is a structure for relating an
inner coherence and an outer coherence.
It has a lot to do with obeying. And therefore also with believing, and
caring, for these are alternative reasons for following the will of the
one who commands. Whether we obey, or believe, or care has to do, I
think, with our relationships with our inner coherence. If we take it
up directly - then we obey, if we take it up through another, a good
example - then we believe, and if we take it up as a possibility, an
option - then we care.
But in each case it takes place through the inside. So it would be
helpful to think about the relationship between inner perspectives:
self-control, faith, caring - and outer perspectives: justice, loyalty,
duty.
So I note this connection:
self-control = obey
faith = believe
caring = care
which I hadn't noticed before, but the first three are the inner
perspectives, and come from the representation of the sixsome in terms
of cognition, and the latter three are the reasons for following the will.
So that is a step forward: two pieces of the jigzaw puzzle that fit
together.
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Garrett Lisi: ''There's an unusual description of spacetime called [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartan_connection | Cartan geometry]] that's very interesting. You start with a single ten-dimensional Lie group (a rigid geometric surface) and let it deform along four directions. The resulting structure is our four-dimensional spacetime with the six-dimensional gravitational Lie group twisting over it. It is a very efficient model. A year ago I worked out a generalization of Cartan geometry, allowing spacetime to embed in larger Lie groups. When I do this for E8, there's a symmetry called “triality” linking three different sheets of spacetime; with respect to each different sheet, each of the three different generations of fermions comes out right. If this all works, it would mean the reason we see Lie groups everywhere in physics is because we're inside of one, looking out. Our universe and everything in it might be excitations of a single Lie group.'' [[http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/surfer-physicist-offers-alternative-to-string-theory-academia/ | 2014.10.20, Scientific American]]
>><<
Dešimt Dievo įsakymų yra
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Apibrėžti sandarą 4+6
* Suvokti 6+4 dviprasmybę ir jos svarbą, kaip ji grindžia asmenų trejybę.
* Širdies tiesomis suvokti sandarą 6+4.
* Išvesti 6 neigiamus Dievo įsakymus iš 4 teigiamų Dievo įsakymų.
* Išvesti 6 antrines sandaras iš 4 pirminių sandarų.
Attach:commandments.gif
>>bgcolor=#EEEEEE<<
Žmogus susidaro iš kūno (poreikiams), proto (abejonėms), širdies-jausmų (lūkesčiams) ir dvasios-valios (vertybėms). Dvasia reiškiasi kūnu; sandaros protu; atvaizdai širdimi; vieningumas valia. Teigiamais įsakymais jais visais mylime Dievą, netroškimais palaikome jo troškimus - kūnu amžiną gyvenimą, proto išmintį, širdimi gerą valią, valia Dievo valią. O neigiamais įsakymais draudžiame atskirti, atkirsti, atsieti, atplėšti juos:
* nežudyti - protą nuo kūno atkirsti
* nesvetimauti - širdį nuo kūno atkirsti
* nevogti - širdį nuo proto atkirsti
* negeisti svetimo daikto - valią nuo širdies atkirsti
* nemeluoti - valią nuo proto atkirsti
* negeisti svetimo žmogaus - valią nuo kūno atkirsti
Tuo tarpu Dievas gali suderinti visus lygmenis.
Palyginti su poreikiais: nežudyti - gyvybės, nevogti - saugumo, nesvetmoteriauti - bendravimo, nemeluoti - vertės, negeist daikto - laisvės, negeisti žmogaus - pilnavertiškumo.
Neversti rinktis Ne (nežudyti), Ne Taip (nevogti), Taip (nesvetmoteriauti), Ne Ne (nemeluoti), Rinktis, Nesirinkti
Palyginti su Jėzaus antitezėmis, dvejonėmis.
Asmuo, kūnas, turtas, tikslas:
* Pažeisti kūną, paneigti asmenį: žudyti
* Pažeisti turtą, paneigti asmenį: vogti
* Pažeisti turtą, paneigti kūną: svetmoteriauti
* Pažeisti svajonę, paneigti turtą: meluoti
* Pažeisti svajonę, paneigti kūną: geisti žmogų
* Pažeisti svajonę, paneigti asmenį: geisti daiktą
Vieningas asmuo, nevieningas kūnas; vieningas asmuo, nevieninga širdis/turtas ir t.t.
>><<
The Ten Commandments are 4 positive commandments ("Love God") plus 6 negative commandments ("Love your neighbor as yourself"). The six negative commandments prohibit us from playing God, from manipulating others in to making choices:
* murder - insist that victim choose to resist
* adulter - insist that victim choose to go along
* lie - insist that victim choose to not resist ("I would have stopped you")
* steal - insist that victim choose to not go along ("I didn't say you could have that")
* covet house (position?) - insist that victim choose to not choose
* covet things - insist that victim choose to choose
Here the victim may be the perpetrator and his or her associates. The problem with manipulation is that I can never completely manipulate myself. I will always have some freedom left. So who am I to go to somebody as a fighter with whom they must fight? or as a lover with whom they must love? I manipulate them to be like me, but I always know (my conscience!) that I am free to leave, even though my manipulations insist that they stay on. So the evil is my insistence of their staying in the face of my knowledge that I can leave. "Love your neighbor as yourself": slack is the difference between myself and my neighbor. My neighbor is anybody close enough for me to give slack to in any way. When we manipulate others, we hurt ourselves by tuning out the true openings in life.
http://www.ms.lt/en/andrius/understanding/diagrams/commandments.gif
----
[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/308 June 2, 2003]
I am thinking more about the Ten Commandments, especially the six that
are "Do not..."
I like the idea of there being different scopes in life, roughly:
outlook, talk, work, life. And I think that the pairs of scopes are
somehow relevant. But I need to figure that out better, what that means.
Here are some thoughts.
Generally, all six should somehow express "Love your neighbor as yourself".
The wrong comes somehow from collapsing the levels, perhaps:
Lie = care for talk without care for work
Murder = care for outlook without care for life
Covet things = care for outlook without care for talk
Steal = care for work without care for life
Covet people = care for outlook without care for work
Commit adultery = care for talk without care for life
These are particular forms of dishonor for that which goes beyond
outlook, talk, work.
It seems that, given two levels, we associate the broader level with our
neighbor, the narrower with ourselves.
----
[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/309 June 3, 2003]
I'm pursuing my thoughts...
Maybe there is a connection somewhere with the idea of values.
I think in leaps, not always explained, but perhaps they might encourage
your own leaps in thought.
Andrius, http://www.ms.lt
-----------------------------------------
I should ask, What is a command?
I looked over my notes from the Gospel of John, and noted the "command"
of God, associated with "I am the true vine". I think this is the sixth
in the unfolding of the "I am" statements, and I think associated with
structure, with its completion.
So perhaps from God's perspective, command (or the law) and structure
are the same.
I wrote in April about the Spirit in the System:
* God is Spirit.
* Structure is beyond Spirit.
* Good is Spirit in Structure.
* Life is the coinciding of the Spirit outside structure, and the Spirit within Structure. In other words, Life is the fact that God is good.
I think of structure as the walls that allow for a richer geometry by
which the Spirit can variously relate with itself.
The Spirit creates Structure as part of going beyond itself.
But as part of going beyond itself, I think it also embeds Spirit that
finds itself within Structure. And that Spirit - we, the bounded - must
manifest itself by going beyond itself, and beyond the structure,
appealing to that which we project to be beyond. In this way we
overcome the Structure that we find ourselves within.
So what does it mean to have a command?
What does that command appeal to?
I will think about this. But a command appeals to an inner coherence
that we exercise through our will, and is backed up by an outer
coherence that compels us. So perhaps it is a structure for relating an
inner coherence and an outer coherence.
It has a lot to do with obeying. And therefore also with believing, and
caring, for these are alternative reasons for following the will of the
one who commands. Whether we obey, or believe, or care has to do, I
think, with our relationships with our inner coherence. If we take it
up directly - then we obey, if we take it up through another, a good
example - then we believe, and if we take it up as a possibility, an
option - then we care.
But in each case it takes place through the inside. So it would be
helpful to think about the relationship between inner perspectives:
self-control, faith, caring - and outer perspectives: justice, loyalty,
duty.
So I note this connection:
self-control = obey
faith = believe
caring = care
which I hadn't noticed before, but the first three are the inner
perspectives, and come from the representation of the sixsome in terms
of cognition, and the latter three are the reasons for following the will.
So that is a step forward: two pieces of the jigzaw puzzle that fit
together.
>>bgcolor=#ECD9EC<<
Garrett Lisi: ''There's an unusual description of spacetime called [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartan_connection | Cartan geometry]] that's very interesting. You start with a single ten-dimensional Lie group (a rigid geometric surface) and let it deform along four directions. The resulting structure is our four-dimensional spacetime with the six-dimensional gravitational Lie group twisting over it. It is a very efficient model. A year ago I worked out a generalization of Cartan geometry, allowing spacetime to embed in larger Lie groups. When I do this for E8, there's a symmetry called “triality” linking three different sheets of spacetime; with respect to each different sheet, each of the three different generations of fermions comes out right. If this all works, it would mean the reason we see Lie groups everywhere in physics is because we're inside of one, looking out. Our universe and everything in it might be excitations of a single Lie group.'' [[http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/surfer-physicist-offers-alternative-to-string-theory-academia/ | 2014.10.20, Scientific American]]
>><<
į:
Žr. [[Dievas]]
2017 gruodžio 27 d., 17:40
atliko -
Pridėtos 2-11 eilutės:
Dešimt Dievo įsakymų yra [[Dievo šokis | Dievo šokyje]] Dievo Dvasios kampą išdėstanti sandara.
>>bgcolor=#FFFFC0<<
Apibrėžti sandarą 4+6
* Suvokti 6+4 dviprasmybę ir jos svarbą, kaip ji grindžia asmenų trejybę.
* Širdies tiesomis suvokti sandarą 6+4.
* Išvesti 6 neigiamus Dievo įsakymus iš 4 teigiamų Dievo įsakymų.
* Išvesti 6 antrines sandaras iš 4 pirminių sandarų.
2016 kovo 14 d., 11:56
atliko -
Pakeistos 150-156 eilutės iš
together.
į:
together.
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Garrett Lisi: ''There's an unusual description of spacetime called [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartan_connection | Cartan geometry]] that's very interesting. You start with a single ten-dimensional Lie group (a rigid geometric surface) and let it deform along four directions. The resulting structure is our four-dimensional spacetime with the six-dimensional gravitational Lie group twisting over it. It is a very efficient model. A year ago I worked out a generalization of Cartan geometry, allowing spacetime to embed in larger Lie groups. When I do this for E8, there's a symmetry called “triality” linking three different sheets of spacetime; with respect to each different sheet, each of the three different generations of fermions comes out right. If this all works, it would mean the reason we see Lie groups everywhere in physics is because we're inside of one, looking out. Our universe and everything in it might be excitations of a single Lie group.'' [[http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/surfer-physicist-offers-alternative-to-string-theory-academia/ | 2014.10.20, Scientific American]]
>><<
>>bgcolor=#ECD9EC<<
Garrett Lisi: ''There's an unusual description of spacetime called [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartan_connection | Cartan geometry]] that's very interesting. You start with a single ten-dimensional Lie group (a rigid geometric surface) and let it deform along four directions. The resulting structure is our four-dimensional spacetime with the six-dimensional gravitational Lie group twisting over it. It is a very efficient model. A year ago I worked out a generalization of Cartan geometry, allowing spacetime to embed in larger Lie groups. When I do this for E8, there's a symmetry called “triality” linking three different sheets of spacetime; with respect to each different sheet, each of the three different generations of fermions comes out right. If this all works, it would mean the reason we see Lie groups everywhere in physics is because we're inside of one, looking out. Our universe and everything in it might be excitations of a single Lie group.'' [[http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/surfer-physicist-offers-alternative-to-string-theory-academia/ | 2014.10.20, Scientific American]]
>><<
2016 sausio 14 d., 15:01
atliko -
Pridėtos 1-2 eilutės:
Žr.taip pat: LoveGod, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, LoveYourEnemy, Concerns, GoodUnderstanding, SharedUnderstanding, GodsWill, GoodWill
Pridėtos 30-31 eilutės:
Vieningas asmuo, nevieningas kūnas; vieningas asmuo, nevieninga širdis/turtas ir t.t.
Ištrintos 33-36 eilutės:
----
Pakeistos 102-106 eilutės iš
į:
* God is Spirit.
* Structure is beyond Spirit.
* Good is Spirit in Structure.
* Life is the coinciding of the Spirit outside structure, and the Spirit within Structure. In other words, Life is the fact that God is good.
* Structure is beyond Spirit.
* Good is Spirit in Structure.
* Life is the coinciding of the Spirit outside structure, and the Spirit within Structure. In other words, Life is the fact that God is good.
2015 liepos 12 d., 22:52
atliko -
Pakeistos 25-26 eilutės iš
* Pažeisti svajonę, paneigti kūną: geisti daiktą
* Pažeisti svajonę, paneigti asmenį: geisti žmogų
į:
* Pažeisti svajonę, paneigti kūną: geisti žmogų
* Pažeisti svajonę, paneigti asmenį: geisti daiktą
* Pažeisti svajonę, paneigti asmenį: geisti daiktą
2015 liepos 12 d., 22:46
atliko -
Pridėta 12 eilutė:
Tuo tarpu Dievas gali suderinti visus lygmenis.
2015 liepos 12 d., 22:44
atliko -
Pakeistos 7-10 eilutės iš
* nevogti - širdį nuo kūno atkirsti
*nesvetimauti - širdį nuo proto atkirsti (neapsukti)
* nemeluoti - valią nuo širdies atkirsti
*negeisti svetimo daikto - valią nuo proto atkirsti
*
* nemeluoti -
*
į:
* nesvetimauti - širdį nuo kūno atkirsti
* nevogti - širdį nuo proto atkirsti
* negeisti svetimo daikto - valią nuo širdies atkirsti
* nemeluoti - valią nuo proto atkirsti
* nevogti - širdį nuo proto atkirsti
* negeisti svetimo daikto - valią nuo širdies atkirsti
* nemeluoti - valią nuo proto atkirsti
2015 liepos 12 d., 22:21
atliko -
Pakeistos 6-11 eilutės iš
* nežudyti - neatplėšti kūno ir proto
* nevogti - neatplėšti kūno ir širdies
*nesvetimauti - neatplėšti proto ir širdies (neapsukti)
* nemeluoti -neatplėšti širdies ir valios (neapgauti)
*negeisti svetimo daikto - neatplėšti proto ir valios
*negeisti svetimo žmogaus - neatplėšti kūno ir valios
*
* nemeluoti -
*
*
į:
* nežudyti - protą nuo kūno atkirsti
* nevogti - širdį nuo kūno atkirsti
* nesvetimauti - širdį nuo proto atkirsti (neapsukti)
* nemeluoti - valią nuo širdies atkirsti
* negeisti svetimo daikto - valią nuo proto atkirsti
* negeisti svetimo žmogaus - valią nuo kūno atkirsti
* nevogti - širdį nuo kūno atkirsti
* nesvetimauti - širdį nuo proto atkirsti (neapsukti)
* nemeluoti - valią nuo širdies atkirsti
* negeisti svetimo daikto - valią nuo proto atkirsti
* negeisti svetimo žmogaus - valią nuo kūno atkirsti
2015 liepos 12 d., 22:11
atliko -
Pridėtos 4-11 eilutės:
Žmogus susidaro iš kūno (poreikiams), proto (abejonėms), širdies-jausmų (lūkesčiams) ir dvasios-valios (vertybėms). Dvasia reiškiasi kūnu; sandaros protu; atvaizdai širdimi; vieningumas valia. Teigiamais įsakymais jais visais mylime Dievą, netroškimais palaikome jo troškimus - kūnu amžiną gyvenimą, proto išmintį, širdimi gerą valią, valia Dievo valią. O neigiamais įsakymais draudžiame atskirti, atkirsti, atsieti, atplėšti juos:
* nežudyti - neatplėšti kūno ir proto
* nevogti - neatplėšti kūno ir širdies
* nesvetimauti - neatplėšti proto ir širdies (neapsukti)
* nemeluoti - neatplėšti širdies ir valios (neapgauti)
* negeisti svetimo daikto - neatplėšti proto ir valios
* negeisti svetimo žmogaus - neatplėšti kūno ir valios
2014 gegužės 12 d., 14:07
atliko -
Pakeistos 19-142 eilutės iš
>><<
į:
>><<
See also: LoveGod, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, LoveYourEnemy, {{Concerns}}, GoodUnderstanding, SharedUnderstanding, GodsWill, GoodWill
----
The Ten Commandments are 4 positive commandments ("Love God") plus 6 negative commandments ("Love your neighbor as yourself"). The six negative commandments prohibit us from playing God, from manipulating others in to making choices:
* murder - insist that victim choose to resist
* adulter - insist that victim choose to go along
* lie - insist that victim choose to not resist ("I would have stopped you")
* steal - insist that victim choose to not go along ("I didn't say you could have that")
* covet house (position?) - insist that victim choose to not choose
* covet things - insist that victim choose to choose
Here the victim may be the perpetrator and his or her associates. The problem with manipulation is that I can never completely manipulate myself. I will always have some freedom left. So who am I to go to somebody as a fighter with whom they must fight? or as a lover with whom they must love? I manipulate them to be like me, but I always know (my conscience!) that I am free to leave, even though my manipulations insist that they stay on. So the evil is my insistence of their staying in the face of my knowledge that I can leave. "Love your neighbor as yourself": slack is the difference between myself and my neighbor. My neighbor is anybody close enough for me to give slack to in any way. When we manipulate others, we hurt ourselves by tuning out the true openings in life.
http://www.ms.lt/en/andrius/understanding/diagrams/commandments.gif
----
[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/308 June 2, 2003]
I am thinking more about the Ten Commandments, especially the six that
are "Do not..."
I like the idea of there being different scopes in life, roughly:
outlook, talk, work, life. And I think that the pairs of scopes are
somehow relevant. But I need to figure that out better, what that means.
Here are some thoughts.
Generally, all six should somehow express "Love your neighbor as yourself".
The wrong comes somehow from collapsing the levels, perhaps:
Lie = care for talk without care for work
Murder = care for outlook without care for life
Covet things = care for outlook without care for talk
Steal = care for work without care for life
Covet people = care for outlook without care for work
Commit adultery = care for talk without care for life
These are particular forms of dishonor for that which goes beyond
outlook, talk, work.
It seems that, given two levels, we associate the broader level with our
neighbor, the narrower with ourselves.
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[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/309 June 3, 2003]
I'm pursuing my thoughts...
Maybe there is a connection somewhere with the idea of values.
I think in leaps, not always explained, but perhaps they might encourage
your own leaps in thought.
Andrius, http://www.ms.lt
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I should ask, What is a command?
I looked over my notes from the Gospel of John, and noted the "command"
of God, associated with "I am the true vine". I think this is the sixth
in the unfolding of the "I am" statements, and I think associated with
structure, with its completion.
So perhaps from God's perspective, command (or the law) and structure
are the same.
I wrote in April about the Spirit in the System:
> - God is Spirit.
> - Structure is beyond Spirit.
> - Good is Spirit in Structure.
> - Life is the coinciding of the Spirit outside structure, and the Spirit
> within Structure. In other words, Life is the fact that God is good.
I think of structure as the walls that allow for a richer geometry by
which the Spirit can variously relate with itself.
The Spirit creates Structure as part of going beyond itself.
But as part of going beyond itself, I think it also embeds Spirit that
finds itself within Structure. And that Spirit - we, the bounded - must
manifest itself by going beyond itself, and beyond the structure,
appealing to that which we project to be beyond. In this way we
overcome the Structure that we find ourselves within.
So what does it mean to have a command?
What does that command appeal to?
I will think about this. But a command appeals to an inner coherence
that we exercise through our will, and is backed up by an outer
coherence that compels us. So perhaps it is a structure for relating an
inner coherence and an outer coherence.
It has a lot to do with obeying. And therefore also with believing, and
caring, for these are alternative reasons for following the will of the
one who commands. Whether we obey, or believe, or care has to do, I
think, with our relationships with our inner coherence. If we take it
up directly - then we obey, if we take it up through another, a good
example - then we believe, and if we take it up as a possibility, an
option - then we care.
But in each case it takes place through the inside. So it would be
helpful to think about the relationship between inner perspectives:
self-control, faith, caring - and outer perspectives: justice, loyalty,
duty.
So I note this connection:
self-control = obey
faith = believe
caring = care
which I hadn't noticed before, but the first three are the inner
perspectives, and come from the representation of the sixsome in terms
of cognition, and the latter three are the reasons for following the will.
So that is a step forward: two pieces of the jigzaw puzzle that fit
together.
See also: LoveGod, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, LoveYourEnemy, {{Concerns}}, GoodUnderstanding, SharedUnderstanding, GodsWill, GoodWill
----
The Ten Commandments are 4 positive commandments ("Love God") plus 6 negative commandments ("Love your neighbor as yourself"). The six negative commandments prohibit us from playing God, from manipulating others in to making choices:
* murder - insist that victim choose to resist
* adulter - insist that victim choose to go along
* lie - insist that victim choose to not resist ("I would have stopped you")
* steal - insist that victim choose to not go along ("I didn't say you could have that")
* covet house (position?) - insist that victim choose to not choose
* covet things - insist that victim choose to choose
Here the victim may be the perpetrator and his or her associates. The problem with manipulation is that I can never completely manipulate myself. I will always have some freedom left. So who am I to go to somebody as a fighter with whom they must fight? or as a lover with whom they must love? I manipulate them to be like me, but I always know (my conscience!) that I am free to leave, even though my manipulations insist that they stay on. So the evil is my insistence of their staying in the face of my knowledge that I can leave. "Love your neighbor as yourself": slack is the difference between myself and my neighbor. My neighbor is anybody close enough for me to give slack to in any way. When we manipulate others, we hurt ourselves by tuning out the true openings in life.
http://www.ms.lt/en/andrius/understanding/diagrams/commandments.gif
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[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/308 June 2, 2003]
I am thinking more about the Ten Commandments, especially the six that
are "Do not..."
I like the idea of there being different scopes in life, roughly:
outlook, talk, work, life. And I think that the pairs of scopes are
somehow relevant. But I need to figure that out better, what that means.
Here are some thoughts.
Generally, all six should somehow express "Love your neighbor as yourself".
The wrong comes somehow from collapsing the levels, perhaps:
Lie = care for talk without care for work
Murder = care for outlook without care for life
Covet things = care for outlook without care for talk
Steal = care for work without care for life
Covet people = care for outlook without care for work
Commit adultery = care for talk without care for life
These are particular forms of dishonor for that which goes beyond
outlook, talk, work.
It seems that, given two levels, we associate the broader level with our
neighbor, the narrower with ourselves.
----
[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/309 June 3, 2003]
I'm pursuing my thoughts...
Maybe there is a connection somewhere with the idea of values.
I think in leaps, not always explained, but perhaps they might encourage
your own leaps in thought.
Andrius, http://www.ms.lt
-----------------------------------------
I should ask, What is a command?
I looked over my notes from the Gospel of John, and noted the "command"
of God, associated with "I am the true vine". I think this is the sixth
in the unfolding of the "I am" statements, and I think associated with
structure, with its completion.
So perhaps from God's perspective, command (or the law) and structure
are the same.
I wrote in April about the Spirit in the System:
> - God is Spirit.
> - Structure is beyond Spirit.
> - Good is Spirit in Structure.
> - Life is the coinciding of the Spirit outside structure, and the Spirit
> within Structure. In other words, Life is the fact that God is good.
I think of structure as the walls that allow for a richer geometry by
which the Spirit can variously relate with itself.
The Spirit creates Structure as part of going beyond itself.
But as part of going beyond itself, I think it also embeds Spirit that
finds itself within Structure. And that Spirit - we, the bounded - must
manifest itself by going beyond itself, and beyond the structure,
appealing to that which we project to be beyond. In this way we
overcome the Structure that we find ourselves within.
So what does it mean to have a command?
What does that command appeal to?
I will think about this. But a command appeals to an inner coherence
that we exercise through our will, and is backed up by an outer
coherence that compels us. So perhaps it is a structure for relating an
inner coherence and an outer coherence.
It has a lot to do with obeying. And therefore also with believing, and
caring, for these are alternative reasons for following the will of the
one who commands. Whether we obey, or believe, or care has to do, I
think, with our relationships with our inner coherence. If we take it
up directly - then we obey, if we take it up through another, a good
example - then we believe, and if we take it up as a possibility, an
option - then we care.
But in each case it takes place through the inside. So it would be
helpful to think about the relationship between inner perspectives:
self-control, faith, caring - and outer perspectives: justice, loyalty,
duty.
So I note this connection:
self-control = obey
faith = believe
caring = care
which I hadn't noticed before, but the first three are the inner
perspectives, and come from the representation of the sixsome in terms
of cognition, and the latter three are the reasons for following the will.
So that is a step forward: two pieces of the jigzaw puzzle that fit
together.
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