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2018 spalio 03 d., 15:25 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 124-141 eilutės:

[+Prieštaravimas+]

'''Prieštaravimas - nesąmonės: Dievas trokšta visko'''

* Nesakau, kad galima nepaisyti prieštaravimų ir mąstyti bet kokias nesąmones. Priešingai, siūlau pripažinti prieštaravimą ir labai atsakingai jį stebėti, sulėtinant mąstymą.
* Prieštaravimas slypi dviejų tvarkų nesutarime, tad tarp jų, jų nesusivedime, kuris tampa vis griežtesniu.
* Antra tvarka iškelia prieštaravimą glūdintį pirmoje tvarkoje. Klajonėje antros tvarkos nariai sutampa su pirmos tvarkos nariais. Užtat prieštaravimas yra griežtas. Raidoje antra tvarka labai miglotai skiria pirmos tvarkos reiškinius, taip kad net neaišku, kur tos ribos.
* Žinojimas, tai reiškia žinių prasmės atstatymas iš jų papildinio. Tad glūdi prieštaravimas tarp nežinojimo ir žinojimo. Taip pat papildinys reiškia meilę, reiškia esmę.
* Vietoj, kad vengti prieštaravimo - Pradėti nuo prieštaravimo ir ieškoti neprieštaravimo - pradėti nuo klausimo ir ieškoti atsakymo, tai yra, išrišimo. Prieštaravimas - tai neatsakytas klausimas. Nežinojimas, o kartu ir žinojimas. Laukimas. Prieštaravimas yra tarpas tarp tiesos buvimo ir jos pasireiškimo. teiginys A2 = "Šis teiginys A1 yra neteisingas"
* Klausimas yra prieštaravimas iššaukiantis neprieštaravimą (atsakymą). Panašiai, meilė yra klausimas - meilė yra esmė, papildinys. Klausimas yra Dievo esmė - ir tas klausimas yra "kodėl" - ir tai yra meilė - nes laukiama atsakymo. Tad gyventi klausimais yra gyventi Dievu. O tiesa yra tarpas, tarp klausimo ir atsakymo, tarp tikrumo ir jo raiškos, jo akivaizdumo. Nes klausime jau glūdi tai, kas tikra, tačiau tai dar išreikština.
* Mąstymas Dievo požiūriu - mąstymas besąlygiškai - mąstymas prieštaravimu - mąstymas prasmingai - iš karto dviem takais. Pats santvarkos išgyvenimas yra prieštaringas - juk įsiterpimas keičia aplinką. Bet užtat suvietintas (septynerybės laisvumas). Ir gyvenimas už santvarkos yra prieštaringas. Ir pati tiesa - buvimo ir raiškos skirtumas - yra kažkuo prieštaringa.
* Prasmingas - atskiriantis prieštaravimą ir neprieštaravimą - palyginti su buvimu.
* Pertvarkymai - skaitlinga tvarka prieštarauja sau - neskaitlinga tvarka neprieštarauja sau. Tada antra tvarka gali iškelti prieštaravimą pirmoje tvarkoje, ją išsakyti.
* Apriboti prieštaravimą.
* Dievo požiūris - prieštaravimo. Asmenų požiūris - nuoseklumo.
* Nesusivedimais ryškėja prieštaravimas, tad žinojimas (taip ar ne). Šis ryškėjimas išsako pertvarkymų (ir padalinimų) eilės tvarką. Prieštaravimai sau: "strange loop".
* Priešprieša. Blogiu vadiname priešpriešą gėriui. Tačiau gėrio priešprieša yra Dievas. Juk gerumas yra santvarkoje, o Dievas yra už santvarkos. Jeigu įsikimbame į santvarką, tada bet koks jo klibinimas mums atrodo blogas. Bet toks klibinimas kyla už santvarkos, tad yra Dievas. O jeigu mąstome Dievu, tada priešpriešos nėra.
2018 rugsėjo 26 d., 13:52 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 42-43 eilutės:
* Tiesa yra tai, kas kyla iš nebuvimo, kas atsiskleidžia, kaip kad Dievas, iškylantis ten, kur jo nėra.
* tiesa nebūtinai suvokiama - tiesa nesuvokta, atsirinkta - tvėrinių pagrindas
2018 rugsėjo 13 d., 13:24 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 130-131 eilutės:

Truth about Scope is the Person's Perspective given by Structure which presumes RepresentationsOfTheOnesome that express how God pushes further outward from Person to Person. Truth about Scope is that God goes beyond the Scope from beyond and into it.
2018 rugsėjo 13 d., 13:03 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 123-124 eilutės iš
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į:
[+Tiesos apimtys+]

Tiesos takai (turiniai) suderina dvi kryptis. Tiesa atsiskleidžia iš žinojimo į nežinojimą, tai yra, iš atsakymo į jį reiškiantį ženklą, galiausiai simbolį (šnipštą), užtat ženklų lygmenimis išreiškia ženklų savybes. O gvildenimai veda iš nežinojimo į žinojimą, tai yra, iš klausimo veda gvildenimu į apibrėžimą. Tiesos atskleidėjas
- platesnis požiūris, o tiesos atskleistasis - siauresnis požiūris.
* Kodėl tiesa? Dievo požiūris. Tiesa apie viską. (Atskleidžiama jog visaip yra.)
* Kaip tiesa? Mano požiūris. Tiesa apie betką.
* Kokia tiesa? Tavo požiūris. Tiesa apie kažką.
* Ar tiesa? Kito požiūris. Tiesa apie nieką. (Nes atskleidžiama jog kažkaip nėra.)
Pakeistos 150-156 eilutės iš
WhatYouBelieveIsWhatHappens - this is the fact that there is one truth and so the truth we believe and the truth that happens must be the same truth.

Note
that lying is possible only by way of symbols (not by way of indexes or icons). So this is a way to analyze the QualitiesOfSigns, which aspects allow for lying. Similarly, I imagine, with other violations of the ten commandments. On the other hand, if one switches the underlying things, then the meaning changes. But that is perhaps not lying, it is perhaps fooling.

The only mystery
is BeingOneWith, as we can participate in that, but we can't know it, as it is prior to knowledge.

===Composition of Views Allows for Falsehood But Intensifies Truth===
į:
Kaip tiki, taip yra. - this is the fact that there is one truth and so the truth we believe and the truth that happens must be the same truth.

Meluojame ženklais. Note that lying is possible only by way of symbols (not by
way of indexes or icons). So this is a way to analyze the Qualities Of Signs, which aspects allow for lying. Similarly, I imagine, with other violations of the ten commandments. On the other hand, if one switches the underlying things, then the meaning changes. But that is perhaps not lying, it is perhaps fooling.

The only mystery is Being One With,
as we can participate in that, but we can't know it, as it is prior to knowledge.

'''Požiūrių sudūrimas leidžia meluoti bet išryškina tiesą'''
2018 rugsėjo 12 d., 13:08 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėta 41 eilutė:
* Tiesa yra dvasios ir sandaros neišskiriamumas. Tiesa yra nenuslepiama, pasireiškianti dvasia, tad jinai tiek dvasia, tiek sandara. Laisvumas yra gerumo sandara. Ar tai kartu tiesos sandara? Tiesos sandara, yra [[tarpas]] tarp klausimo ir atsakymo, tai jo atvaizdai. Tai laisvumas tarp tiesos turinio ir išraiškos, tad laisvumas turi apimtį, taip pat mažėja ar didėja. Laisvumo esmė yra išsiaiškinimas, kuris gali plėtotis.
2018 rugsėjo 12 d., 13:06 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėta 14 eilutė:
* Koks ryšys tarp tiesos ir gerumo sandaros, laisvumo?
2018 rugsėjo 12 d., 13:04 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Ištrinta 11 eilutė:
Pridėta 13 eilutė:
* Ar tiesa dinamiška?
Pakeistos 38-40 eilutės iš
į:
* Kas yra sutampa (ar ne) su tuo kas reiškiasi.
* Tiesa, tai kas akivaizdu, kas nenuslėpta. Sutapimas to, kas yra ir to, kas reiškiasi. Išėjimas už savęs kažkurio asmens atitinkamoje apimtyje. What is True is what is viewed. The Observational Plane is what is viewed by the Observer. What is obvious, not hidden, Viewed, the separation between the viewer and the viewed when it is nothing. Tiesa, sandara, ir būtent išsiaiškinimas, plėtojasi. Tiesa yra sistema be jokių kliūčių, tad visų sistemų grynumas, grynoji sistema, santvarka. Užtat tiesa labai susijusi su laisve, su kliūčių nebuvimu.
Ištrinta 78 eilutė:
* Ar tiesa dinamiška?
Pridėtos 104-109 eilutės:

'''Raiška'''

Raiška yra svarbi dalis tiesos, nes tai, kas akivaizdu, turi būti išreikšta, nenuslėpta.

* To Manifest is to show. In that sense, it is the opposite of View, it is the making way for others to [GoingBeyondOneself go beyond themselves]. It is also closely related to Truth, in that truth is what is obvious, not hidden. Andrius: It also reminds of the statement ''Those things are which show themselves to be'' which I once heard God say in a dream as to the nature of everything.
2018 rugsėjo 12 d., 13:01 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 11-14 eilutės:
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* Koks santykis tarp tiesos ir šviesos ir optikos?
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Pakeistos 37-38 eilutės iš
į:
* Tiesa yra melas nes nėra santvarkoje. Visi teiginiai melagingi, nes teiginiai yra modelyje, o modelis nėra tikrovė.
Pakeistos 496-502 eilutės iš
===Consider===

The relation between light and truth (and optics).
į:
Pakeistos 570-572 eilutės iš
Tiesa yra melas nes nėra santvarkoje. Visi teiginiai melagingi, nes teiginiai yra modelyje, o modelis nėra tikrovė.

Tiesų gali būti įvairių, bet dėl melo galime sutarti, kada meluojama.
į:

*
Tiesų gali būti įvairių, bet dėl melo galime sutarti, kada meluojama.
2018 rugsėjo 12 d., 12:34 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 3-4 eilutės iš
Žr. [[Nulybė]], [[Požiūriai]], [[Meilė]], [[Apimtys]], [[Anthony Judge]] See also: TruthPatternAnalysis, Institutions, Freedom
į:
Žr. [[Nulybė]], [[Požiūriai]], [[Meilė]], [[Apimtys]], [[Anthony Judge]], [[Flemming Funch]] See also: Institutions, Freedom
Pakeistos 495-521 eilutės iš
'''Tiesa'''

See also: {{Truth}}, {{Pattern}}

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'''Original source: [http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_article/_a000010-000015.htm Truth Pattern Analysis], 2001-09-08, by FlemmingFunch'''

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One subject I'm really interested in doing something with, but which I haven't really gotten around to, is the analysis of information in order to learn the truth. Hm, I guess it is a little hard to express what I mean, but I'm talking about the ability to track down what is true and false by studying clues in the information available. There is lots of information that will indirectly reveal whether something else is true or false. Somebody who's trying to deceive and hide the real truth will reveal that fact in an assorment of ways.

Now, the reason I'm so interested in this is that the majority of the population has no clue about what is true or false, and is easily deceived. Most all media is built around that fact. All legal institutions are based on the principle that whoever argues the best for their version of truth, wins, and doesn't have any technology for actually finding truth. Likewise, science is built on models that large numbers of scientists can agree on and demonstrate the validity of, and will happily ignore huge chunks of reality that don't fit the agreed-upon reality.

I am claiming that the {{Reality}} we live in is to a large degree a fiction that is constructed by the data we're presented with, and by the ways we've been taught to interpret it. And that version of reality is at best very incomplete, and very often very misleading, and leaving unexamined large chunks of reality that exist outside the public awareness. What makes the manufactured reality so compelling is that, to the untrained eye, it is internally consistent. I.e. it all sort of fits together, and anything that doesn't fit can easily be discarded.

I'm also claiming that there are agencies in the world that are masters in this area, and that are very skilled both in analyzing the patterns of what is really going on for their own use, and in manufacturing patterns for the rest of us to see, which will paint a mutual consensus reality for us. These agencies can hide enormous secrets from the rest of us without much fear of them being discovered, because their secrets make little sense within our consensus reality.

And I'm saying that the antidote is to develop disciplines of investigation that cut through the concensus deceptions and that can reveal thruth in a fairly systematic way.

The components of this would be a mixture of different disciplines, some of which don't quite exist. That ranges from different kinds of data analysis, pattern matching, psychological tools, body language, intuitive skills.

It is not quite true that I haven't gotten around to this at all. I'm trained in some things that go in that direction. For example, I'm a master practitioner in Neuro-linguisticProgramming, and I know a lot of about BodyLanguage. I can tell loads by how somebody's moving their body, how they're breathing, how their eyes move, their voice pattern, etc. That is in part what inspires me to go further with it. It is often very obvious to me whether somebody who appears on TV is lying or speaking the truth. But I also notice that for most everybody else it is a matter of a lot of abstract, preconceived opinions that really have nothing to do with what they can directly perceive.

I also have some minimal training in an obscure system of data analysis which involves the examination of {{Out-points}} and {{Plus-points}} in any stream of information. By noticing little things that are wrong, or that work better than expected, and by tracking down where they come from, one can usually discover a bigger story that isn't directly revealed. That will often produce results that are somewhat counter-intuitive. That is, a truth might emerge that is counter to what the casual observer would conclude. For example, one might examine a company and get surprising results concerning who is screwing things up and who is making things go right. It will often be different people that either take the credit, or that get blamed, than what is really going on.

Yeah, this is a bit vague, but I just wanted to express that this is one of my interest areas, and something that is in need of being developed and integrated.
į:
2018 rugsėjo 12 d., 12:27 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 13-33 eilutės:
[+Kas yra tiesa?+]

* one of the four RepresentationsOfTheNullsome
* a negation of the perspective of the Foursome which is for knowledge of things in themselves
* true is negation of hidden, true is what is obvious, in your face
* the extent of BeingOneWith
* Knowledge from the perspective of BeingOneWith
* the Application that we can be meeting the Theory and thus BeingOneWith.
* the Coinciding of the global BeingOneWith (God) and the local BeingOneWith (us)
* the Application that we are BeingOneWith the Theory
* the IndependentPerspective can take up the DefaultPerspective and thus coincide with it, be not hidden
* the answer of Willingness
* the Nonwilling meets the Willing.
* What is true is: what is obvious, not hidden, what is [ThisWiki:View viewed].
* Truth is the implicitness of Coinciding. Truth is coinciding from within Contexts.
* Truth is taking up of a perspective.
* Truth is the Identity across all through Other who is alongside all and so truth ultimately brings meaning all the way back to God as the ultimate ground.
* True is one of the four RepresentationsOfTheNullsome. Also, each of the representations of the nullsome may be understood as truth of a different {{Scope}}.
* True is the negation of the ''whether'' perspective of the {{Foursome}}. It is the negation of knowledge of things in themselves. In that sense, true is negation of what is hidden. True is what is obvious, in your face.
* Tiesa yra širdingumo sąlygos. Širdingasis sutampa su savo raiška.
Ištrintos 35-36 eilutės:
Tiesa yra širdingumo sąlygos. Širdingasis sutampa su savo raiška.
Ištrintos 126-176 eilutės:

===What is truth?===

* one of the four RepresentationsOfTheNullsome
* a negation of the perspective of the Foursome which is for knowledge of things in themselves
* true is negation of hidden, true is what is obvious, in your face
* the extent of BeingOneWith
* Knowledge from the perspective of BeingOneWith
* the Application that we can be meeting the Theory and thus BeingOneWith.
* the Coinciding of the global BeingOneWith (God) and the local BeingOneWith (us)
* the Application that we are BeingOneWith the Theory
* the IndependentPerspective can take up the DefaultPerspective and thus coincide with it, be not hidden
* the answer of Willingness
* the Nonwilling meets the Willing.
* What is true is: what is obvious, not hidden, what is [ThisWiki:View viewed].
* Truth is the implicitness of Coinciding. Truth is coinciding from within Contexts.
* Truth is taking up of a perspective.
* Truth is the Identity across all through Other who is alongside all and so truth ultimately brings meaning all the way back to God as the ultimate ground.
* True is one of the four RepresentationsOfTheNullsome. Also, each of the representations of the nullsome may be understood as truth of a different {{Scope}}.
* True is the negation of the ''whether'' perspective of the {{Foursome}}. It is the negation of knowledge of things in themselves. In that sense, true is negation of what is hidden. True is what is obvious, in your face.

===Definitions of God===

Definitions of God: God, Everything, Wishes, Love
* are Truth
* are being one with by way of God's being
* admit no bounds
* are relationships between BeingOneWith and Potential of BeingOneWith. And these same relationships are given by Position and Perspective of BeingOneWith.
* are increasingly explicit definitions.
* are different perspectives on God and NotGod by way of their relationship or nonrelationship.
* relate God and Person
* have us relate God and others
* relate the topologies
* relate Possibility, Necessity, Actuality
* are related to God's properties (from the PrimaryStructures) self-sufficient, certain, calm, loving with regard to God, I, You, Other
* have God participate in each structure just as Person does, under the same constraints, thus as God, as I, as You, as Other. For example, God participates in Divisions as one perspective among several, just as Other does.
* reinterpret
* force God into context, project God outwards, restrict away from God
* allow for NotGod
* balance God's and NotGod's outlooks.
* relate the superfluous and the essential
* define Structure by relating Grounds and Extent.
* distinguish between directions, into system and out of system.
* have Person choose between Perspective and Position
* include Unconditional, Conditional, Unconditional BeingOneWith, Conditional BeingOneWith, Conditional NotBeingOneWith, Unconditional NotBeingOneWith.
* is given as a choice that a Person makes: whether to choose themselves (Life) or God (EternalLife)?
* are the Theory, the Word by which God manifests himself as he speaks from across Scope to Person
* arise because God self-defines himself as the negation of what he defines, thus making space for it
God makes space for Everything, Anything, Something, Nothing and so he defines himself as NotEverything (God), NotAnything (Everything), NotSomething (Wishing), NotNothing (Love).
* what can be not assumed
* being alone - beyond Definition, beyond System, beyond Scope, beyond oneself, unconditional BeingOneWith, doesn't distinguish between God and NotGod, (God - Spirit of Truth, Everything - Structure of Truth, Wishing - Representations of Truth, Love - Unity of Truth), that God and NotGod are the same, thus without Person and Scope. Truth is the self-standing opposite.
2018 rugsėjo 12 d., 12:25 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 1-11 eilutės iš
Žr. [[Anthony Judge]] See also: True, Nullsome, TruthPatternAnalysis, Institutions, RepresentationsOfNullsome, AlgebraOfViews, Love, Scope, Freedom
į:
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Žr. [[Nulybė]], [[Požiūriai]], [[Meilė]], [[Apimtys]], [[Anthony Judge]] See also: TruthPatternAnalysis, Institutions, Freedom

'''Kas yra tiesa?'''

* '''[[Book/20170928Truth | Abstract: Truth as the Admission of Self-Contradiction]]'''
* [[Book/TheTruth | The Truth: From Relative to Absolute]]
* [[Besąlygiškas Dievo požiūris | Kaip iš asmeninių požiūrių išvesti besąlygišką Dievo požiūrį?]]
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2017 rugsėjo 06 d., 16:32 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 622-624 eilutės iš
Įrodymas, tai tiesos pagrindimas. Įrodymas (kad teiginys yra teisingas) - yra suskaldymas pagrindimo. Panašus suskaldymas vyksta skaidant veiklą.
į:
Įrodymas, tai tiesos pagrindimas. Įrodymas (kad teiginys yra teisingas) - yra suskaldymas pagrindimo. Panašus suskaldymas vyksta skaidant veiklą.

Consider the normativity of truth itself. It arises from truth's definition as a negation, a negation of whether, that X cannot be hidden. Also, there is a normativity to respect a toy model, to keep track of what is true and what is false, in the case where we have truths about nothing
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2017 rugsėjo 06 d., 16:25 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 618-622 eilutės iš
Shift from self to concept. Truth. God->I->You->Other.
į:
Shift from self to concept. Truth. God->I->You->Other.

Aplinkybės dalyvauja skaidant požiūrį į dvi priešingybes, būtent nulybės atvaizdo skaidymu, pavyzdžiui, tiesos skaidymą į turinį ir raišką, arba prasmingumo skaidymą. Aplinkybės gi išskiria vieną požiūrį ir jo būklę (aplinkybes). Taip pat iškyla galimas dvilypis požiūris į požiūrį. Taip pat šį skaidymą reikėtų lyginti su gyvenimo lygtimi.

Įrodymas, tai tiesos pagrindimas. Įrodymas (kad teiginys yra teisingas) - yra suskaldymas pagrindimo. Panašus suskaldymas vyksta skaidant veiklą
.
2017 rugsėjo 06 d., 16:25 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 616-618 eilutės iš
Tiesų gali būti įvairių, bet dėl melo galime sutarti, kada meluojama.
į:
Tiesų gali būti įvairių, bet dėl melo galime sutarti, kada meluojama.

Shift from self to concept. Truth. God->I->You->Other
.
2017 rugsėjo 06 d., 16:23 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pridėtos 600-616 eilutės:
How do truth claims arise?

pragmatiškai, tiesa yra konteksto nereikalingumas. Tiesa yra tuomet kuomet galima suprasti tiesiogiai, nereikia vertinti konteksto. Užtat tiesa yra tuo pačiu galimybė atsisakyti konteksto. O kaip tai susiję su aplinka (+3), juk tiesa yra (+0).

Tiesa:
* antisandara (sąlygiškumo atsisakymas) -1
* logika 7-bė
* nesusivedimų tarpas
* nulybės atvaizdas ir aplinkybės

Equations are truths because they allow "forgetting", they allow equivalence. Equivalence is a sense of not being distinguishable in any context. Any context in which it is distinguishable would be a meta-context. This is the source of paradox: conflating context with metacontext. And that is why context and metacontext need to be different. Truth is that there is no genuine basis for disagreement.

Bridging formal and informal theories.

Tiesa yra melas nes nėra santvarkoje. Visi teiginiai melagingi, nes teiginiai yra modelyje, o modelis nėra tikrovė.

Tiesų gali būti įvairių, bet dėl melo galime sutarti, kada meluojama.
2017 gegužės 16 d., 10:01 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 563-599 eilutės iš
* Brute facts nėra nes gamtoje nėra dalinių sąvokų, modelių, ar yra?
į:
* Brute facts nėra nes gamtoje nėra dalinių sąvokų, modelių, ar yra?

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S-o-C goes beyond itself into itself, namely, Everything. Everything is the self of S-o-C.

'''Truth as the Unique Referent Beyond a System'''

Background:
* Define everything
* Define divisions of everything
* Define representations
* Define going beyond oneself
* Define equation of life

My results:
* Define truth as a representation of the nullsome - that which cannot be hidden, that which has nothing between expression and content. And likewise define the representations of the nullsome and ground them in the foursome.
* Define necessary, possible, actual with regard to truth, and similarly define the twelve topologies.
* Antistructure
* Sevensome and eightsome - ways of choosing - sources of mistakes
* Truth is the gap within a restructuring and is the source of paradox.
* Statements are typically tentative - we don't care to agree absolutely on what they mean - they are
* Scopes of truth: everything, anything, something, nothing.
* Truth as a distinguished (unmarked?) opposite.

Results related to truth theories:
* Truth is the unique referent which is beyond a system. And thus by definition truth cannot be solely systemic. But a system of this kind is completely explicit, thus truth is the only thing that is outside it. Truth refers to the original everything. And thus true is the opposite of the good.
* Truth is that which can be "unmarked", that which can be without context, without conditions, taken at face value.
* Truth is that which cannot be hidden.
* Substantial and deflationary theories are the 6 representations based on views vs. concepts.
* Axiomatic theories are possible (model), actual (proof), necessary (logical).
* Statements are given by fusing views and concepts, or content and expression.
2017 kovo 21 d., 19:10 atliko AndriusKulikauskas -
Pakeistos 557-563 eilutės iš
Ah yes, I'm actually reading '''Power vs. Force''' right now. Indeed, it makes a good case for measuring the truth value of things with Applied Kineseology. I will explore it more. I haven't yet tried to experiment with blind AK tests, to see how it actually comes out.
į:
Ah yes, I'm actually reading '''Power vs. Force''' right now. Indeed, it makes a good case for measuring the truth value of things with Applied Kineseology. I will explore it more. I haven't yet tried to experiment with blind AK tests, to see how it actually comes out.

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* Jeigu tiesa visada sąlygiška, tai ši tiesa irgi yra sąlygiška, užtat iš sąlygiškos tiesos kyla besąlygiška tiesa. Tai išvertimas išėjimo už savęs, iš santvarkos, iš septynerybės.
* Velnias išlenda visokiomis "tiesomis" ir įžvalgomis dėl to, kad tai tėra "žinojimai", ogi Dievas yra grynas nežinojimas.
* Brute facts nėra nes gamtoje nėra dalinių sąvokų, modelių, ar yra?
2015 vasario 24 d., 14:23 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pridėtos 4-5 eilutės:

Tiesa yra širdingumo sąlygos. Širdingasis sutampa su savo raiška.
2015 sausio 16 d., 14:20 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pridėta 71 eilutė:
* Heidegeris - tiesa įkūnyta mene, pavyzdžiui, Van Gogo paveiksle "Batai". Meno kūrinys - žemės ir pasaulio kova, ginčas. Ir šioje dinaminėje kovoje skleidžiasi tiesa.
Pridėtos 73-74 eilutės:
* Heidegerio - Meno kūrinio ištaka (2 vertimai)
* Bulgakovo "Meistras ir Margarita", Ha-Noon ir Poncijaus Piloto dialogas, Kas yra tiesa?
2015 sausio 15 d., 23:24 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pakeista 92 eilutė iš:
Note how thus we get the distinction between one perspective (necessary truth), two perspectives (actual truth) and three perspectives (possible truth) which is relevant for the onesome, twosome and threesome; but also for the Omniscope (I), Primary Structures (You) and Secondary Structures (Other). Note that we are getting what Truth means to the outsider, not to the truth itself.
į:
Thus we get the distinction between one perspective (necessary truth), two perspectives (actual truth) and three perspectives (possible truth) which is relevant for the onesome, twosome and threesome; but also for the Omniscope (I), Primary Structures (You) and Secondary Structures (Other). We are getting what Truth means to the outsider, not to the truth itself. There may also be no truth, in which case we have four perspectives, namely, there is the outsider, distinct from these three. So then we have the four levels of knowledge where the outsider is the Why and the other three are in a system and they are related. So thus we have the way to climb out of the system and look "objectively" into it as the undefined looks into the defined. And this possible thus to have negation and to have a complement for the system wherein the outsider is. And then the system can grow to include the outsider and to shift them from Other (foursome) to You (fivesome) to I (sixsome) to God (sevensome) and then collapse. This is the proof that God is necessary! and it is given by simplifying the equation of life.
2015 sausio 15 d., 23:21 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pakeista 92 eilutė iš:
Note how thus we get the distinction between one perspective (necessary truth), two perspectives (actual truth) and three perspectives (possible truth) which is relevant for the onesome, twosome and threesome; but also for the Omniscope (I), Primary Structures (You) and Secondary Structures (Other).
į:
Note how thus we get the distinction between one perspective (necessary truth), two perspectives (actual truth) and three perspectives (possible truth) which is relevant for the onesome, twosome and threesome; but also for the Omniscope (I), Primary Structures (You) and Secondary Structures (Other). Note that we are getting what Truth means to the outsider, not to the truth itself.
2015 sausio 15 d., 23:20 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pridėtos 74-92 eilutės:

----------

Imagine God as knowing everything, I as knowing anything, You as knowing something, and Other as knowing nothing.

Truth works differently in these different scopes. "Everything is hot", "Everything is cold" and other such statements about everything are trivially true, much as in a state of contradiction, or in the mind of God, where all statements are true. A statement such as "Anything is hot" depends on a particular point of view, such as that of an engineer, an "I" who can think through in what sense it is true or false based on what "hot" means for her. "Something is hot" is a statement which must be negotiated by several points of view and thus is accepted or rejected tentatively, pragmatically by a "You". "Nothing is hot" is the kind of statement which is formalized in an abstract model of hypotheticals with regard to an "Other" and as such is strictly true or false.

We can define everything as that which has the following four properties:
A) Everything has no external context (if it is put in a box, then it includes the box)
B) Everything is the simplest algorithm, which accepts all things, that is, has no filter (and so your everything and my everything are the same)
C) Everything has no internal structure (it may be orderly or chaotic, and thus all statements are true about it, as there is no structure to latch onto)
D) Everything is a required concept (in practice, we all have it, and we all use it, for example, in taking a stand; we could not have learned it from the real world because all we know there is bounded, whereas everything is unbounded; and so we must have always had it)

Let us take Everything as our anchor for our metaphysics. We deal with questions of knowledge by dividing Everything into Whether, What, How, Why. For example, we may put a cup in a cupboard, and imagine Whether the cup is still there. Then we can define Truth as the rejection of this perspective Whether, which is to say, what is true is that which *cannot* be hidden, that which is obvious. (Whereas Heidegger defines truth as that which *is not* hidden, the Greek concept "aletheia"). Similarly, we can define Directness, Constancy and Significance by rejecting What, How and Why, accordingly.

Inherent in Truth is a self-identity, a mind game where we try to distinguish T (a truth) and R (that which reveals the truth) so that R=>T. If T is itself true for us, then we have necessary truth, as in proof by contradiction, and the distinctions collapse. If R is true for us, then it is the ground for T, and we have actual truth, where R and => collapse. If what is true for us is => , then we have possible truth, consistency. Similarly, Directness, Constancy and Significance trigger mind games which together yield a variant of Kant's twelve categories.

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Note how thus we get the distinction between one perspective (necessary truth), two perspectives (actual truth) and three perspectives (possible truth) which is relevant for the onesome, twosome and threesome; but also for the Omniscope (I), Primary Structures (You) and Secondary Structures (Other).
2015 sausio 15 d., 19:02 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pridėta 53 eilutė:
* Požiūrio priėmimas, išgyvenimas - neįmanoma išgyventi netiesą
2015 sausio 15 d., 19:01 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pridėta 52 eilutė:
* Dvejybėje - pusė požiūrio
2015 sausio 15 d., 18:58 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pridėta 36 eilutė:
* Proto žaidimai - tapatybės (su savimi) atskleidimai - savęs atitikimai (nulybės atvaizdai) - skirtingose apimtyse - skirtingais asmenimis - skirtingais žinojimais - tad tiesa yra siauriausias, smulkiausias - dangaus karalystei - tiesa reiškia, kad ištisai reiškiamasi
2015 sausio 15 d., 18:39 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pridėta 19 eilutė:
* Heidegerio, graikų tiesa - aletheia - ir mano
Pridėta 35 eilutė:
* A priori ir aposteriori, sintetinis ir analitinis
Pakeistos 37-38 eilutės iš
* Tiesa ir kas paslėpta - lygiavertės priešingybės - Tiesa: neišėjimas už savęs
* Prasminga ir kas aprėpta - nelygiavertės priešingybės - Prasmingumas: išėjimas už savęs
į:
* Tiesa ir kas paslėpta - lygiavertės priešingybės - Paslėptas: neišėjęs už savęs Tiesa: nėra neišėjęs už savęs
* Prasminga ir kas aprėpta - nelygiavertės priešingybės - Aprėptas: išėjęs už savęs į save Prasmė: nėra pilnai savyje
* Keturi atvaizdai (apimtys) nurodo išėjimo už savęs pakopas - taip pat santykį su papildiniu
* Ar tiesa dinamiška?
Pakeistos 51-52 eilutės iš
į:
* Turinys (nežymėta priešingybė) ir raiška (žymėta priešingybė). Tarp jų yra ryšys.
Pakeista 67 eilutė iš:
* Heidegeris - tiesa ir netiesa - nepaslėpta ir paslėpta - pasislėpimas pasirodymu
į:
* Heidegeris - tiesa ir netiesa - nepaslėpta ir paslėpta - pasislėpimas pasirodymu - aletheia
2015 sausio 15 d., 18:29 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pakeistos 34-35 eilutės iš

Dievo papildinys
į:
Lygiavertės ir nelygiavertės priešingybės
* Tiesa ir kas paslėpta - lygiavertės priešingybės - Tiesa: neišėjimas už savęs
* Prasminga ir kas aprėpta - nelygiavertės priešingybės - Prasmingumas: išėjimas už savęs
* Dvejybės atvaizdai

Dievo papildinys - septynerybė - antisandara
Pridėta 62 eilutė:
* Heidegeris - tiesa ir netiesa - nepaslėpta ir paslėpta - pasislėpimas pasirodymu
2015 sausio 15 d., 18:19 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pakeista 9 eilutė iš:
* Palyginti: asmenys (žinojimas - visko, betko, kažko, nieko)
į:
* Palyginti: asmenys (žinojimas - visko, betko, kažko, nieko) Kitas žino nieką.
Pridėtos 12-17 eilutės:
Tiesos atskaitos taškas
* Niekas arba viskas?
* Apibrėžti viską
* Apibrėžti betką, kažką, nieką
* Apibrėžti ketverybe kaip skirtumą tarp Dievo ir gerumo (manęs)
Pridėta 30 eilutė:
* Trys tiesos įrodymo būdai.
Pridėtos 35-43 eilutės:
Dievo papildinys
* Gyvenimo lygtis yra antisandara, ketverybės/penkerybės/šešerybės/septynerybės papildinys
* Dievas papildo septynerybę (tiesą) ir išsakytas aštuonerybės - nulybės. Tad Dievas - tiesos dvasia.
* gerumas papildo šešerybę (tiesumą-betarpiškumą) ir išsakytas septynerybės
* gyvenimas papildo penkerybę (pastovumą) ir išsakytas šešerybės
* amžinas gyvenimas papildo ketverybę ir išsakytas penkerybės

Pažymėta priešingybė
Pridėtos 50-60 eilutės:
Tiesa nuo asmeninės iki besąlygiškos

Išsiaiškinimai - pagrindai

Gyventi tiesa

'''Mąstytojai'''

* Heidegeris - meno kūrinio tiesa yra tiesesnė negu pasaulio tiesa
* Wittgenstein - turime apibrėžti atskaitos tašką
* Aristotelis - mokslas apie būtį apskritai (metafizika); apie esmes ir priežastis; apie nejudantį judintoją (teogonika)
2015 sausio 15 d., 18:03 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pridėtos 30-32 eilutės:

Atitikimas
* Dievas šlovinamas dvasia ir tiesa - dvasia, tai ryšys su Dievu; tiesa - tai atitikimas su skurdžiadvasių mąsteliais
2015 sausio 15 d., 18:02 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pridėta 22 eilutė:
* Nepaslėpta, neatkirsta santvarkos, esanti viena, neužsidarusi savyje, išeinanti už savęs
Pridėtos 27-29 eilutės:

Trejybėje - permąstymas
* Tiesos dvasia kalba iš to, ką girdi - atitikimas
2015 sausio 15 d., 17:21 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pridėtos 13-14 eilutės:
* Nulybės atvaizdai yra ketverybės požiūrių paneigimai.
* Dievas yra tiesos dvasia.
2015 sausio 15 d., 17:20 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pridėta 19 eilutė:
* Atvaizdai skiria tiesos turinį ir raišką; jeigu jie sutampa, tai dvejopai išsako sutapimo didėjimą ar mažėjima; jei skiriasi, ai ketveriopai išsako skirtumą tarp jų.
2015 sausio 15 d., 17:12 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pridėtos 15-16 eilutės:
* Tiesa atsiranda su neigimu.
* Neigimas slypi apimtyse: viskas, betkas, kažkas, niekas.
2015 sausio 15 d., 17:03 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pridėtos 4-10 eilutės:

Tiesa apie keturias apimtis.
* Apibrėžti: viską, betką, kažką, nieką.
* Didėjantis tiesos griežtumas.
* Didėjantis, ryškėjantis neigimo apibrėžimas.
* Palyginti: asmenys (žinojimas - visko, betko, kažko, nieko)
* Palyginti: jauduliai (vienas su viskuo, betkuo, kažkuo, niekuo) - lūkestis, jog esame viena
2015 sausio 15 d., 17:01 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pakeistos 1-2 eilutės iš
Žr. [[Anthony Judge]] See also: {{True}}, {{Nullsome}}, TruthPatternAnalysis, {{Institutions}}, RepresentationsOfNullsome, AlgebraOfViews, Love, Scope, Freedom
į:
Žr. [[Anthony Judge]] See also: True, Nullsome, TruthPatternAnalysis, Institutions, RepresentationsOfNullsome, AlgebraOfViews, Love, Scope, Freedom
Pakeistos 10-13 eilutės iš
*
į:
Tiesa: Trejybės atvaizdo (ir aplinkybių) užtaisas.
* Tiesa ir ryšys tarp turinio ir atskleidimo.
* Apibrėžta "ne" - netiesa.
* Neigimas reikalauja: Ne, taip, ne ne, ne taip.
2015 sausio 15 d., 16:59 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pakeistos 3-5 eilutės iš
The only mystery is BeingOneWith, as we can participate in that, but we can't know it, as it is prior to knowledge.
į:
[+Tiesa akivaizdi+]

Nepaslėpta: Ketverybės požiūrio paneigimas
* palyginti: troškimų paneigimas, nulybės atvaizdų paneigimas
, vienybės atvaizdų paneigimas.
* Ar neigimui reikalinga ketverybė? Taip, užtat yra nuliniai atvaizdų nariai
.
* Ten kur yra neigimas yra du atvaizdai ir papildinys.
* Atvaizdai išsako tiesos santykį tarp tiesos turinio (kas yra tiesa) ir tiesos raiškos (kas tą tiesą parodo). Kada neigimas įmanomas (ir papildinys įmanomas) tada yra du atvaizdai - didėjantis ir mažėjantis laisvumas. O kada neigimas neįmanomas ir nėra papildinio, tai yra keturi atvaizdai išsakantys atstumą tarp turinio ir raiškos. Kai nėra atstumo tarp turinio ir raiškos, tada atsiranda neigimas ir papildinys, antisandara.
*
Pridėtos 69-70 eilutės:

The only mystery is BeingOneWith, as we can participate in that, but we can't know it, as it is prior to knowledge.
2015 sausio 15 d., 16:25 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
2015 sausio 15 d., 16:04 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Ištrintos 5-6 eilutės:
{{AndriusKulikauskas}}: True is one of the four RepresentationsOfTheNullsome. True is a negation of the perspective of the {{Foursome}} which is for knowledge of things in themselves. In that sense, true is negation of hidden, true is what is obvious, in your face.
Pridėtos 8-10 eilutės:
* one of the four RepresentationsOfTheNullsome
* a negation of the perspective of the Foursome which is for knowledge of things in themselves
* true is negation of hidden, true is what is obvious, in your face
2015 sausio 15 d., 15:58 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pakeistos 1-2 eilutės iš
Žr. [[Anthony Judge]]
į:
Žr. [[Anthony Judge]] See also: {{True}}, {{Nullsome}}, TruthPatternAnalysis, {{Institutions}}, RepresentationsOfNullsome, AlgebraOfViews, Love, Scope, Freedom
Ištrintos 5-6 eilutės:
'''Tiesa'''
Ištrintos 6-13 eilutės:

'''Tiesa'''

See also: {{True}}, {{Nullsome}}, TruthPatternAnalysis, {{Institutions}}, RepresentationsOfNullsome, AlgebraOfViews, Love, Scope, Freedom

===AnthonyJudge offers a challenge===

AnthonyJudge: ''I truly appreciate your initiative. From a methodological perspective I would offer the challenge of envisaging the mathematical/topological structure in which every perspective positioned in it would be right -- including the perception that others are wrong. A good example is when I phone my mother in Australia and she swears it is midday and I swear it is night. We are both right and both wrong -- the resolution is through the space on which we are respectively positioned.''
2015 sausio 15 d., 15:56 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pridėtos 1-2 eilutės:
Žr. [[Anthony Judge]]
Ištrintos 7-36 eilutės:

----

{{AnthonyJudge}}: I confess that it is my view that the absolute truth that is
absolutely true is not the absolute truth that we are able to talk
about when we talk about absolute truth. This would preclude any
further insight in the thousands of years to come on many ordinary
matters as illustrated by the illusion that the sun does rise.

It is interesting that those who specialize in the study of time now
accept a variety of understandings of time. I would argue for a
variety of understandings of truth. The criticism of relativism is
useful because the requisite complexity of a relativistic
understanding of truth has not yet been clarified. I am personally
interested in complementarity between different forms of truth rather
than deducing from such complementarity an absolute truth which I can
possess. It is a good question whether one possesses truth or is
possessed by it.

Anyway my writings on truth are:

''[http://www.laetusinpraesens.org/musings/liclass.php Complementary Truth-handling Strategies: Mediating the relationship between the "Last class" and the "Liar class"]''

''[http://www.laetusinpraesens.org/docs00s/horus2.php Complementary Patterns of Meaningful Truth and the Interface between Alternative Variants ]''

''[http://www.laetusinpraesens.org/docs00s/plastic.php Politicization of Evidence in the Plastic Turkey Era: al-Qaida, Saddam, Assassination and the Hijab]''

''[http://www.laetusinpraesens.org/docs/evidence.php Warping the Judgement of Dissenting Opinion: towards a general framework for comparing distortion in rules of evidence]''

''[http://www.laetusinpraesens.org/musings/lang12.php 12 Complementary Languages for Sustainable Governance]''
2014 lapkričio 10 d., 20:18 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Ištrintos 97-104 eilutės:

===Questions===

What is the relationship between truth and the keeping separate of suppostions?

How does truth relate the indefinite and definite views?

How does truth relate to the coinciding of views?
2014 birželio 09 d., 22:08 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pakeistos 464-506 eilutės iš
The relation between light and truth (and optics).
į:
The relation between light and truth (and optics).

'''Tiesa'''

See also: {{Truth}}, {{Pattern}}

----

'''Original source: [http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_article/_a000010-000015.htm Truth Pattern Analysis], 2001-09-08, by FlemmingFunch'''

----

One subject I'm really interested in doing something with, but which I haven't really gotten around to, is the analysis of information in order to learn the truth. Hm, I guess it is a little hard to express what I mean, but I'm talking about the ability to track down what is true and false by studying clues in the information available. There is lots of information that will indirectly reveal whether something else is true or false. Somebody who's trying to deceive and hide the real truth will reveal that fact in an assorment of ways.

Now, the reason I'm so interested in this is that the majority of the population has no clue about what is true or false, and is easily deceived. Most all media is built around that fact. All legal institutions are based on the principle that whoever argues the best for their version of truth, wins, and doesn't have any technology for actually finding truth. Likewise, science is built on models that large numbers of scientists can agree on and demonstrate the validity of, and will happily ignore huge chunks of reality that don't fit the agreed-upon reality.

I am claiming that the {{Reality}} we live in is to a large degree a fiction that is constructed by the data we're presented with, and by the ways we've been taught to interpret it. And that version of reality is at best very incomplete, and very often very misleading, and leaving unexamined large chunks of reality that exist outside the public awareness. What makes the manufactured reality so compelling is that, to the untrained eye, it is internally consistent. I.e. it all sort of fits together, and anything that doesn't fit can easily be discarded.

I'm also claiming that there are agencies in the world that are masters in this area, and that are very skilled both in analyzing the patterns of what is really going on for their own use, and in manufacturing patterns for the rest of us to see, which will paint a mutual consensus reality for us. These agencies can hide enormous secrets from the rest of us without much fear of them being discovered, because their secrets make little sense within our consensus reality.

And I'm saying that the antidote is to develop disciplines of investigation that cut through the concensus deceptions and that can reveal thruth in a fairly systematic way.

The components of this would be a mixture of different disciplines, some of which don't quite exist. That ranges from different kinds of data analysis, pattern matching, psychological tools, body language, intuitive skills.

It is not quite true that I haven't gotten around to this at all. I'm trained in some things that go in that direction. For example, I'm a master practitioner in Neuro-linguisticProgramming, and I know a lot of about BodyLanguage. I can tell loads by how somebody's moving their body, how they're breathing, how their eyes move, their voice pattern, etc. That is in part what inspires me to go further with it. It is often very obvious to me whether somebody who appears on TV is lying or speaking the truth. But I also notice that for most everybody else it is a matter of a lot of abstract, preconceived opinions that really have nothing to do with what they can directly perceive.

I also have some minimal training in an obscure system of data analysis which involves the examination of {{Out-points}} and {{Plus-points}} in any stream of information. By noticing little things that are wrong, or that work better than expected, and by tracking down where they come from, one can usually discover a bigger story that isn't directly revealed. That will often produce results that are somewhat counter-intuitive. That is, a truth might emerge that is counter to what the casual observer would conclude. For example, one might examine a company and get surprising results concerning who is screwing things up and who is making things go right. It will often be different people that either take the credit, or that get blamed, than what is really going on.

Yeah, this is a bit vague, but I just wanted to express that this is one of my interest areas, and something that is in need of being developed and integrated.

----

'''Felt truth'''

I think there's both an analytical, logical way of approximating truth, and there's a truth one feels inside. And they're probably not really the same thing. The most deep and real truth is probably what one sincerely feels inside. And the other kind of truth is more about the analysis of data, an external activity, and will always be imperfect. Anyway, any kind of attempt to establish truth will always end up with a subjective feeling inside. No matter how scientific one's methodology is, it will always end up with somebody taking a subjective decision, based on how they feel, as to whether the requirements for truth-finding have been met. Scientific methodology includes the principle that several people would arrive in the same place, but that makes it no less dependent on subjective decision.

'''Sources'''

The source of data is probably a vital piece of data in itself. Like, a piece of information doesn't exist by itself, separate from everything else. There's no such thing as a "fact" all by itself. It is important who said so, when and why, based on what data or what situation.

'''Power vs. Force'''

Ah yes, I'm actually reading '''Power vs. Force''' right now. Indeed, it makes a good case for measuring the truth value of things with Applied Kineseology. I will explore it more. I haven't yet tried to experiment with blind AK tests, to see how it actually comes out
.
2014 birželio 09 d., 22:07 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
Pakeistos 1-464 eilutės iš
The only mystery is BeingOneWith, as we can participate in that, but we can't know it, as it is prior to knowledge.
į:
The only mystery is BeingOneWith, as we can participate in that, but we can't know it, as it is prior to knowledge.

'''Tiesa'''

{{AndriusKulikauskas}}: True is one of the four RepresentationsOfTheNullsome. True is a negation of the perspective of the {{Foursome}} which is for knowledge of things in themselves. In that sense, true is negation of hidden, true is what is obvious, in your face.

----

{{AnthonyJudge}}: I confess that it is my view that the absolute truth that is
absolutely true is not the absolute truth that we are able to talk
about when we talk about absolute truth. This would preclude any
further insight in the thousands of years to come on many ordinary
matters as illustrated by the illusion that the sun does rise.

It is interesting that those who specialize in the study of time now
accept a variety of understandings of time. I would argue for a
variety of understandings of truth. The criticism of relativism is
useful because the requisite complexity of a relativistic
understanding of truth has not yet been clarified. I am personally
interested in complementarity between different forms of truth rather
than deducing from such complementarity an absolute truth which I can
possess. It is a good question whether one possesses truth or is
possessed by it.

Anyway my writings on truth are:

''[http://www.laetusinpraesens.org/musings/liclass.php Complementary Truth-handling Strategies: Mediating the relationship between the "Last class" and the "Liar class"]''

''[http://www.laetusinpraesens.org/docs00s/horus2.php Complementary Patterns of Meaningful Truth and the Interface between Alternative Variants ]''

''[http://www.laetusinpraesens.org/docs00s/plastic.php Politicization of Evidence in the Plastic Turkey Era: al-Qaida, Saddam, Assassination and the Hijab]''

''[http://www.laetusinpraesens.org/docs/evidence.php Warping the Judgement of Dissenting Opinion: towards a general framework for comparing distortion in rules of evidence]''

''[http://www.laetusinpraesens.org/musings/lang12.php 12 Complementary Languages for Sustainable Governance]''

'''Tiesa'''

See also: {{True}}, {{Nullsome}}, TruthPatternAnalysis, {{Institutions}}, RepresentationsOfNullsome, AlgebraOfViews, Love, Scope, Freedom

===AnthonyJudge offers a challenge===

AnthonyJudge: ''I truly appreciate your initiative. From a methodological perspective I would offer the challenge of envisaging the mathematical/topological structure in which every perspective positioned in it would be right -- including the perception that others are wrong. A good example is when I phone my mother in Australia and she swears it is midday and I swear it is night. We are both right and both wrong -- the resolution is through the space on which we are respectively positioned.''

===What is truth?===

* the extent of BeingOneWith
* Knowledge from the perspective of BeingOneWith
* the Application that we can be meeting the Theory and thus BeingOneWith.
* the Coinciding of the global BeingOneWith (God) and the local BeingOneWith (us)
* the Application that we are BeingOneWith the Theory
* the IndependentPerspective can take up the DefaultPerspective and thus coincide with it, be not hidden
* the answer of Willingness
* the Nonwilling meets the Willing.
* What is true is: what is obvious, not hidden, what is [ThisWiki:View viewed].
* Truth is the implicitness of Coinciding. Truth is coinciding from within Contexts.
* Truth is taking up of a perspective.
* Truth is the Identity across all through Other who is alongside all and so truth ultimately brings meaning all the way back to God as the ultimate ground.
* True is one of the four RepresentationsOfTheNullsome. Also, each of the representations of the nullsome may be understood as truth of a different {{Scope}}.
* True is the negation of the ''whether'' perspective of the {{Foursome}}. It is the negation of knowledge of things in themselves. In that sense, true is negation of what is hidden. True is what is obvious, in your face.

===Definitions of God===

Definitions of God: God, Everything, Wishes, Love
* are Truth
* are being one with by way of God's being
* admit no bounds
* are relationships between BeingOneWith and Potential of BeingOneWith. And these same relationships are given by Position and Perspective of BeingOneWith.
* are increasingly explicit definitions.
* are different perspectives on God and NotGod by way of their relationship or nonrelationship.
* relate God and Person
* have us relate God and others
* relate the topologies
* relate Possibility, Necessity, Actuality
* are related to God's properties (from the PrimaryStructures) self-sufficient, certain, calm, loving with regard to God, I, You, Other
* have God participate in each structure just as Person does, under the same constraints, thus as God, as I, as You, as Other. For example, God participates in Divisions as one perspective among several, just as Other does.
* reinterpret
* force God into context, project God outwards, restrict away from God
* allow for NotGod
* balance God's and NotGod's outlooks.
* relate the superfluous and the essential
* define Structure by relating Grounds and Extent.
* distinguish between directions, into system and out of system.
* have Person choose between Perspective and Position
* include Unconditional, Conditional, Unconditional BeingOneWith, Conditional BeingOneWith, Conditional NotBeingOneWith, Unconditional NotBeingOneWith.
* is given as a choice that a Person makes: whether to choose themselves (Life) or God (EternalLife)?
* are the Theory, the Word by which God manifests himself as he speaks from across Scope to Person
* arise because God self-defines himself as the negation of what he defines, thus making space for it
God makes space for Everything, Anything, Something, Nothing and so he defines himself as NotEverything (God), NotAnything (Everything), NotSomething (Wishing), NotNothing (Love).
* what can be not assumed
* being alone - beyond Definition, beyond System, beyond Scope, beyond oneself, unconditional BeingOneWith, doesn't distinguish between God and NotGod, (God - Spirit of Truth, Everything - Structure of Truth, Wishing - Representations of Truth, Love - Unity of Truth), that God and NotGod are the same, thus without Person and Scope. Truth is the self-standing opposite.

===Ideas===

WhatYouBelieveIsWhatHappens - this is the fact that there is one truth and so the truth we believe and the truth that happens must be the same truth.

Note that lying is possible only by way of symbols (not by way of indexes or icons). So this is a way to analyze the QualitiesOfSigns, which aspects allow for lying. Similarly, I imagine, with other violations of the ten commandments. On the other hand, if one switches the underlying things, then the meaning changes. But that is perhaps not lying, it is perhaps fooling.

===Questions===

What is the relationship between truth and the keeping separate of suppostions?

How does truth relate the indefinite and definite views?

How does truth relate to the coinciding of views?

===Composition of Views Allows for Falsehood But Intensifies Truth===

Within a view, everything is true. All of its own perspectives are true. (The false ones would not be in that view. And so in order to think about false perspectives it would need to take up other views. Here then "view" might be the same as "outlook" or "model" as I wrote about institutions.)

Something is not true when a view sees it one way, but presents it another way to another view. Therefore falsehood depends on CompositionOfViews. However, the truth goes intense as it stays true in the face of the opportunity for falsehood.

This is a matter that relates the {{Indefinite}} view which sees along all tracks, and a {{Definite}} view, which sees along one track at a time. The indefinite view is not fooled, as it sees all that is going on. The definite view may be fooled.

Truth is a central notion in an AlgebraOfViews. The change in what we mean by truth mirrors the development of a view as it accesses other views and makes for indirect knowledge.

A {{View}} is the discrimination of what is true. Directly, everything within a view is true, obvious. However, the view may go beyond itself, go beyond its scope. Then the nature of truth becomes more complex, mature. When spaces are accessed indirectly, then there can be false statements, hidden suppositions. And there can also be the collapsing of our space, so that what is obvious, true to us, is cast in doubt.

===Viewer and Viewed===

Implicit in truth - as a representation of the nullsome and a trigger for a representation of the threesome - is a relationship between viewer and viewed. They are considered to be inseparable - hence the nullsome - and yet they are separated. And the way that their separation may be conceived is given by the representation of the threesome as necessary, actual and possible.

I want to consider how the implications, the notion of truth expands when it reaches out to those who do not want to look at it directly, and so it approaches them in forms that they will accept. In particular, truth may take the form of fiction, which is itself challenged, however, to stay true to the truth it conveys. And then to consider what it is like to wake up in a world where truth is of such a nature, which is to say, to take truth very sharply, and be frustrated wherever it is not straightforwardly true. And then to be confused again when, as the context becomes evident, it is apparently true. So that the crucial attitude to take is that there may be a vantage point which may know more than we do. And the troubles of losing touch with such a possibility, the sins of pride.

The smaller the scope on which concepts are kept separate, the more they are separate! This is what relates love and understanding. Ultimately, the scope is zero and the separation is total as it is even under scope zero. (And so the views coincide.) Here it is regarding God and good, I think. Compare also with the diagrams at SpiritVStructure. And consider this all with regard to institutions and the task of translating truth. So that we start with the Concept of truth - holding truth with itself - and this is an overflowing that triggers its going beyond itself, and then maintaining the truth as it does so, relativizing it accordingly, until it can hold even in silence.

The {{Truth}}, and God as the concept of truth, may express that his view is not restrictive, and is thus transparent. (Note that a transparent soul is important for understanding.)

A perspective is like a {{Morphism}} in that perspectives can be composed: John's perspective may take up Mary's perspective. By CategoryTheory, the morphism should be considered a structure preserving transformation. What structure is being preserved? The truth - obviousness - what is not hidden. So we can work backwards from God as the concept of truth - all perspectives look to him - and he steps inwards to himself, but out to them, but they look to him:

* ''absolute perspective - all perspectives may take it up (it may be taken up by all of them together)''
* ''relative perspective - any perspective may take it up (it may be taken up by them singly)''
* ''shared perspective - it may be taken up by a perspective''
* subordinate perspective - it may be taken up by no perspective (and hence is isolated, atomic)

subordinate perspectives may not take each other up as they are too narrow - so if God and human take subordinate perspectives then they coincide


===Hard truths and soft truths===

The CompositionOfViews makes it possible for knowledge to be accessed
both directly and indirectly. We may think of truth as that access.
What is true is what is not hidden, what is obvious.

If it is to be the same truth in every context, then it needs to be
interpreted in a way appropriate to the context.

Here is what I'm finding: As views take up views, they become less
direct, and the truth becomes less fluid and more rigid. There are four
levels, so that truths about everything are completely fluid,
truths about anything are less so, truths about something are rather
rigid, and truths about nothing are completely rigid.

Let us consider these four levels:

'''Truths about everything.''' When we speak about everything, then all
statements are true. "Everything is hot" and "everything is cold" are
both true in a trivial sense. They don't say very much because
everything has no internal structure for them to latch onto. Instead,
everything ends up defining what "hot" and "cold" must mean. So here
the truth is completely fluid. We may imagine this as the way that God
views everything. God has direct access and things are just as he
thinks. This is the nature of absolute truths. Another example of a
truth about everything is "Every medicine has its purpose." There is no
way for such a statement to be false, even if it's opposite is true, for
each statement stands on its own.

'''Truths about anything.''' When we speak about anything, then we are
applying our assertion to one thing at a time. And we are referencing
that assertion from some particular point of view. For example, a
doctor might say "Any medicine has its purpose." Here the truth is not
entirely direct. It needs to pass through the doctor's point of view.
It now depends on the doctor to make it true. It can depend on the
doctor's ability to find the purpose of a medicine. Its truth depends on
its reference point. So it is a relative truth. As such, it may be a
frustrated truth, which is to say, it needs to be manifested and may be
endlessly waiting for that to happen. Yet, it can't be false, for we
never know for sure that it doesn't hold.

'''Truths about something.''' When we speak about something, then we are
admitting another point of view with which we are sharing an object of
conversation. We are using the same word, the same referent, to express
the different ideas which we possess of it. For example, a doctor may
speak to a patient about a particular medicine, such as aspirin:
"Aspirin has its purpose." The word "aspirin" and the entire sentence
is refering to what the doctor has in mind, but also to what the patient
has in mind. But the meanings may not match up. One may think of a
natural form of aspirin, and another of a synthetic form. One may
intend one inference, but the other may take away a different one. It
is possible to miscommunicate, to misspeak and to mislead. It is also
possible to communicate just enough to be understood. Most of our
speaking is quite tentative in this way. We speak to each other about a
"tree" as if we meant the same thing. And yet, if we were to take the
tree and shorten it, then there would come a point where we would
probably disagree if it was still a tree. But, frankly, we're typically
not interested in the tree itself, we're just leveraging it as a
reference point in our conversation. We're able to catch disagreements
and correct them. This is the nature of shared truths.

'''Truths about nothing.''' It is possible for us to speak about things for
which we have no definite knowledge. For example, we might say "no
medicine has its purpose" and explain: "a medicine is a molecule, and
molecules don't have purposes". Yet, in a very clear sense, we have
overspoken, we have asserted more than we ourselves have the right to.
Who are we to speak about what molecules "don't have"? How can we know
when molecules "will have" or "won't have" purposes? The problem here
is that we are speaking in the negative, rather than in the positive.
When we say that "every molecule has its purpose", then that statement
can anchor itself in us. When we say "every medicine has its purpose"
then we can define what we mean by medicine and by purpose, and adapt as
needed, so that truth is fluid. But when we say that "no medicine has
its purpose" then we have cut ourselves off from the very meaning that
we choose to speak regarding. Whatever we mean is being defined
somewhere else without us. If we speak about what we know, then we can
choose to mean whatever will make sense. But if we speak about what we
don't know, then the choice is not ours to make. So here truth becomes
most rigid. Of course, this is a situation that we may try to avoid.
And yet there are moments in life where we are called to bear witness.
We're not asked what we know - we're asked, what do we choose to say?
So I may say - "don't drive drunk" - by which I may mean that, although
I don't and can't have any basis to know for sure, yet this is my own
stand based on how I make sense of the situation that I've been put into
in this life. And I will tell you with authority and responsibility
that I have to the extent that I'm able to participate in this life.
This statement is a "hard truth" and it is either "true" or "false".
And that knowledge rests with some higher, greater vantage point to
which I am subordinate. So this is a subordinate truth. And here I may
be right or wrong, and also I may speak the truth or I may lie. And the
distinction between right and wrong, between truth and lie, is most
sharp. So when I say "no medicine has its purpose", then, to the extent
that my statement is about "nothing", I may be very right or very wrong
or both.

I imagine these as four levels by which God reaches out beyond himself
by way of us all, his little godlets. He views directly absolute truths
about "everything". He then views indirectly, through us, relative
truths about "anything", shared truths about "something" and subordinate
truths about "nothing". Our responsibility grows as the truth gets
rigid. If we're able to fulfill our responsibility, then the truths
carry across all four levels. The relative truth, as such, is also an
absolute truth. Likewise, the shared truth, properly meant, is both
relative and absolute. The subordinate truth, properly meant, is
shared, relative and absolute. Yet this can break down if we act falsely.

These four levels also relate to love which grows more intense as God
reaches out further and further:
* Truths about everything are supported by "love", and yet they are platitudes.
* Truths about anything are supported by "loving one's self", which keeps them from being frustrated.
* Truths about something are supported by "loving others", "loving our neighbors", whereby we are supportive of those with whom we speak, so that we may indeed care about their perspective, and may seek a shared perspective.
* Truths about nothing are supported by "loving God", so that we speak so as to make things simple for the God who truly knows that which we bear witness about but can't truly know.

===Sources of Truth===


One idea that came up is the power
of the hypothesis that all self-standing systems, fully realized as to
their potential, are the same - as this hypothesis makes metaphysical
thinking very powerful. For example, it makes it easy for us to go to
new "source of truth", including "aesthetic sense" or "Scripture"
because it gives us a useful criteria - these sources are valid only if
we can approach them as self-standing systems. We might then ask, what
are the "sources of truth" that we might appeal to? Where do they offer
insight? And in what sense are they self-standing? In particular,
each of us as individuals can function as a source of truth regarding
our own "key concept" by which we are self-standing. This is all
relevant as we organize our online system for "openly learning", so I
share with our Cyfranogi working group. Andrius,

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{{Andrius}}: I share my exchange with Tom Wayburn as we search for how to define truth. His work grounds important economic ideas, so I share also with our Cyfranogi working group.

Tom,

Thank you for alerting me to your work. I find it very helpful and thought-provoking at this time. I'm very impressed by the scope of your work and by the directness of your conclusions. I think I agree with much of your reasoning, but at times I feel your conclusions are incomplete as "hard truths" unless we complete them with "soft truths". And, in that sense, they are false as "hard truths".

This distinction between "soft truth" and "hard truth" is what I'd like to explore. I'm interested to think about "truth" and it's role in an "algebra of views". I'll respond also to your paper, further below. First, I'll give an example.

You conclude that, in general, it is immoral to exchange money for work. You note that the Money Game is an improper game in that the rules are not written down, they are continuously changing, and that participants do not start off fairly. Participants are tempted or forced to play, and they are tempted or forced to cheat. In general, the game is an unfair competition.

Practically, I feel this fits with my position that "money brings people together, but you can't pay people to care". Caring is self-directed, and so can't be the result of external direction, such as by money. People care in spite of the fact that they are paid money, and we know if they care only when we stop paying them money, and can see that they truly are self-directed and continue in their ways. If people ask for money to care, then that doesn't make sense, they can't and don't care in a self-directed way. So, if we apply the Money Game to what we are serious about - what we care about - then the game is false and sustaining it is immoral.

However, I find it's possible not to take the game so seriously. I may engage somebody with money not to "win" but to make a point. So, for example, at our lab we offer stipends in Lithuania that are not-so-serious money for not-so-serious work. My interest is to encourage, support, integrate people who do care so that we might meet each other halfway. In other words, first they care, then we may play. And it's crucial to keep the amount of money small enough so that it's not overly influential. The goal is not to make them care about something, but rather to encourage them to relate to a strategic direction their own self-directed work on whatever they already do care about. Then the money game becomes not so serious in itself - it becomes just a minor part of a bigger game - and it may be quite helpful. In fact, if we are living in an unfair world, then such money games may be vital in helping transform it into a fair world. Furthermore, the very reason we may be in an unfair world is that this is how a fair world functions - it allows for all manner of unfairness so that it might be transformed into fairness.

My point is that the nature of truth depends on whether we are "game makers" (the ones who make the rules) or "game players" (the ones who are bound by the rules). Game makers live by "soft truths", each of which is not constrained by any other truth. Game players live by "hard truths" which are completely constrained by other truths.

God is a helpful concept as the Ultimate Game Maker. Structurally, I might think of "everything". It seems that all statements are true of everything. "Everything is hot" and "everything is cold". The point is that qualities like "hot" or "cold" or "good" or "bad" or "exists" or "does not exist" don't mean much at all when applied to everything because there is no structure to cling to so as to provide meaning. Similarly, when we have a state of contradiction, then all things are true: 2=3 and so 12=13 and green is white and so on. Again, if I say, "this tomato is everything" then, in a sense, that is true because every thing can be related to that tomato, and so every thing is a fact about that tomato. So "everything" is effective as a reference point for making truth irrelevant - all things are true. Indeed, I feel that, given any statement, no matter how bizaare or ill formed, there is some context in which it is true.

Here's a related statement from Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation of the Quran, Surah 21: "Not for idle sport did We create the heavens and the earth and all that is between! If it had been Our wish to take just a pastime, We should surely have taken it from the things nearest to Us, if We should do such a thing! Nay, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood perishes! Ah! woe be to you for the false things you ascribe to Us."

Our society encourages us to live as game players, not as game makers; to acknowledge hard truths and not soft truths; to say there is "true" and "false", knowledge of "good" and "evil"; to believe that things matter. And the same society invites us to cheat, and to gain control as game makers for the game players.

But as we play with "hard truths" we find that there may be purpose in "soft truths", but especially if indeed there is injustice, as life suggests. And also we find that our own personal truths are soft, in that they suppose rather than deny.

So I feel that we can understanding by starting with "soft truths" (the view of the game maker) and then deriving from them the "hard truths" (the view of the game player). Why do we have hard truths? I think the reason is that the game maker wants the game to matter. And so the game maker needs to "care" ever deeper, needs to immerse themselves into the game.

Therefore, to understand the game maker, it helps to work with "suppositions". In this sense, all truths are "fictional truths". As you write: "if Dickens tells us that Pip was sorry to see his benefactor die, we are obliged to believe him". Likewise, I feel that we shouldn't elevate "reality" beyond "supposition", even if it is Nature's supposition. And suppositions are "soft truths" in that they are simply possibilities, clearly the prerogrative of a game maker.

So where may hard truths come from? I think they come from the relationships between suppositions. I mean that suppositions can grow hard, they can grow in their implications, as they relate with each other, and imply regarding each other. So, for example, if Dickens has given us reason to doubt the narrator, then we might be obliged to question or even disbelieve him. "All things are true" - but if we speak enough, then we may very well speak a contradiction - assuming that we have a point of accountability.

Here is how I think the game evolves, from "soft truths" to "hard truths":
* Rules are absolute: We suppose there is a game maker for whom all rules are equally fine.
* Rules are relative: The game maker supposes a game player who has "a self in a situation" and is thereby striving (self-correcting) to play by the rules.
* Rules are shared: That game player supposes a game maker who has made it possible to "play perfectly" and so they (and all) are linked by an ideal Other who follows the rules.
* Rules are subordinate: That game maker supposes a game player who is in the game and needs to uncover its purpose by supposing that there is a game maker.

I will stop for today, but briefly about your paper, I find most relevant your Third Approach. Some structures that I will write about:
* the division of everything into four perspectives, the {{Foursome}}: why, how, what, whether - matches I think your four levels: phenomena (whether), percepts (what), concepts (how), visualizations (why).
* pairs of such levels yield the QualitiesOfSigns:
* truth as that which is "unhidden"="obvious", thus yielding the necessarily, actually, possibly true, see {{Topologies}}

I hope to write more, and I hope we might help each other advance.


===Letter to Tom Wayburn===

TomWayburn: Andrius, I am curious to know what you think of the [http://dematerialism.net/Chapter%203.html#_Toc104446215 exposition] (under Additional Discussion for the Mathematically Inclined in case the bookmark doesn't work). I wouldn't ask if I were confident that it was correct. I wrote this so long ago that I am afraid to change it as I may no longer understand what I wrote then.

The bookmarked section is embedded in a [http://web.wt.net/twayburn/Chapter%203.html sub-chapter on Truth]. It is an attempt to make definite the stricture of Hemingway, "Tell the truth to those who have a right to know it", from *The Green Hills of Africa* [quoted from memory].

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May 26, 2008

Tom, Thank you for alerting me again to your essay on Truth.
http://dematerialism.net/Chapter%203.html#_Toc104446215
I read only parts but I like your writing. I hope to explore it more and
perhaps engage you and others with regard to my own explorations.

I have been making steady progress in my efforts to consider how does all
knowledge unfold? My quest is to know everything and apply that knowledge
usefully. Imagine that there is a vantage point from which God surveys
everything and how it all unfolds along with all of the relationships. I
wish to find and take up such a vantage point, with the understanding that
I won't be able to see as far as God, yet like a nearsighted child I might
crawl out and back along any path of inquiry I might find relevant.

I have worked almost every day on my Overview
and it is so hard to pull everything together that I am trying to write a
condensed Summary
I also find it very helpful to listen to God. I am simply encouraged by
the enormous intelligence that comes to me, as if to my conscious mind
from my unconscious mind. Which is to say, I lean heavily on God as I
work to make progress. Certainly that's understandable because in large
part I am struggling to imagine and take up God's point of view.

The root of the unfolding - or the nature of God - keeps wriggling as I
try to snatch it. But lately I'm thinking about God's fascination with
the issue of his own necessity. There aren't many questions that might
seem to interest God when he is all by himself, prior to all things and
concerns. For him, being and not being are quite the same, as they are
just words at this point, and structurally they are the same. But would
he exist even if he did not exist? Would he be God even if he wasn't? Is
God as such necessary? That is a very stimulating question from his point
of view. It opens up two tracks: If God exists, then God exists. And if
God does not exist, then yet being God he should still find away to exist,
if he truly is God. This is the spirit of any mathematical proof by
contradiction. So it suggests what is apparent in the physical world,
that God makes his best effort not to exist, and it's very intriguing if
and when he creeps into life's practicalities. Whereas in the spiritual
world, God is given.

I have a lot of knowledge of the conceptual structures that frame our
thinking, and have figured out some of the mechanics of how they can all
fit together in theory. I'm noticing that God's effort to not exist is
part of that. The structures unfold upon negation of the properties of
God (significant, constant, direct, true) by which God goes beyond himself
into a particular scope (Everything, Anything, Something, Nothing). There
is also a negation of the properties of Everything (no external context,
no filter, no internal structure, not an optional concept). Everything is
the structure of God, but also, Everything is a substitute for God. In God
we are being one through God's being, whereas in Everything we are being
one through God's not being.

I'm noticing that each scope is a domain for a particular aspect of nonbeing:
* "does not exist" would hold across Everything
* "a quality of their being does not exist" would hold for Anything
* "a quality of their not being does exist" would hold for Something
* "their not being does exist" would hold for Nothing
What I think this means is that God's not being has to realize itself
formally, which is to say, it's not enough to have "not God" but rather we
have to think formally in terms of "being" so that we can remove ourselves
and indicate, objectively, what that's referring to. This formality opens
up all four levels.

Tom, I suppose this is related to the distinction that you note when you
refer to White Knight’s story in Lewis Carroll's "Through the Looking
Glass" between a thing, and what it's called, and its name, and what
that's called. Also, you note of four levels of information: Phenomena,
Concepts, Percepts, Visualizations and I imagine that this is what I call
the Foursome, the division of Everything into four perspectives, which are
familiar as Whether, What, How, Why and so I call them that way, but are
employed by many thinkers (often materialists neglect the Why and
idealists neglect the Whether).

Tom, I imagine that I'm working on the question that you raise regarding
Tarski's conjecture: "The definition of a true statement cannot be
constructed in the (formalized) language in which the sentence occurs. In
particular, it will never be possible to define a true sentence in
ordinary colloquial language." What I am trying to show, more or less, is
that any system that is inhabited by a Person must admit of an
extrasystemic reference point (which is to say, God) or the system will
collapse (into that extrasystem). Truth is the last straw, it is the
ability of God to reach into the scope of Nothing, which is to say, even
into utter nonsense. My guess is that the final collapse occurs when the
last property of Everything (that it is not an optional concept) is
negated, because then the crux of the matter becomes "optional" and thus
the issue resolves itself, but I need to nail that down, what is that!?

Here is what I wrote today listening to God and for me is very helpful to
be able to think in terms of the big picture: "God's being and nonbeing
are the same as long as they don't interfere with each other. And they
could interfere only if they were imposed upon a Person. Thus the Freedom
of a Person is the foundation for God's necessity. And Freedom grows
through Understanding. Love is what supports that growth. Thus Love is
within all things and in being itself and through it we are one.
BeingOneWith is the foundation for all relations between Persons."

So now I'm thinking back on how truth hardens so that opposites like
"being" and "not being" can become hard and irreconciliable. (Which is how
I found your link again, thank you!)
See: Truth.
Truths about Everything are soft and pliable and all compatible.
("Everything is hot" and "Everything is cold" and "Every medicine has its
purpose"...) Truths about Nothing are hard and brittle because they have
us overspeak, they have us speak about that for which we have no definite
knowledge. If we say, "No medicine has its purpose (for medicines are
molecules, and molecules don't have purposes)", then we are overreaching,
and our statement is either true or false but not both, in this rigid
sense.

Perhaps the "imposed" truths are those that demand us to understand them
within the system, and don't let us make sense of them outside the system.
The "free" truths let us know that they carry a meaning that can go
beyond the system. That is why we might hold stubbornly to a truth even
though the system runs over us, for we have faith that there is a
perspective greater than the system.

Jesus's disciples asked him, Why do you speak plainly to us, but you speak
to others in parables? and he replied, so they could listen but not hear,
and hear and not understand and so they could be damned. Which I take him
to mean, with his ambiguous "could", that in general listeners would have
the freedom to understand his meaning or to consider it all nonsense,
whereas his disciples already believe and so he can speak plainly without
concern for their freedom.

I suppose that I have a faith in the truth and an appreciation of my own
ignorance that I don't think that I will limit anybody's freedom with my
thoughts. Yet the whole subject is apocalyptic - a world of truth that we
can access is the end of the "real world", the human world as we know it.

I will try to think more how God's not being and God's being grow distinct
through the Person who distinguishes them (God, I, You, Other) and how the
imposition of such a distinction shifts the question along to yet another
Person until finally with Other the issue collapses.

Tom and all, Thank you for your thoughts! And I invite us to write about
the questions that we are exploring, investigating.

Greetings from San Francisco where I hope to stay for about four weeks,

===Consider===

The relation between light and truth (and optics)
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2014 birželio 06 d., 11:20 atliko Andrius Kulikauskas -
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The only mystery is BeingOneWith, as we can participate in that, but we can't know it, as it is prior to knowledge.

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