调查

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神的舞蹈

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神的调查

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  • Kaip muzikinės sąvokos suvokiamos?

Kas yra suvokimas?

Suvokimas yra atskyrimas, laikymas atskirai.

  • Understanding is both immersed (in that concepts are in themselves) and abstracted (in that it keeps the concepts separate)
  • The considering of suppositions as different, the stepping back from one view out into another (atsitokėjimas)

Suvokimu įžvelgiame tiesą

  • Suvokimu atsiplėšiame nuo savęs ir įsijaučiame į save, tad išryškiname tiesą siejančią buvimo ir nebuvimo aplinkybes.
  • Suvokimo įvairiais lygmenimis vis turiningiau įžvelgiame tiesą.

Suvokimas yra savęs atskyrimas

  • sąlygiškas buvimas viena
  • NotBeingOneWith As ...
  • išėjimas už savęs į sąlygas
  • Understanding applies a definition of NotBeingOneWith and thus establishes the meaning of BeingOneWith.
  • Understanding is the independence of ourselves from a concept and that which relates us. It is the reverse of identification. Instead of identifying with a concept an presuming that which relates us, we keep them all independent.
  • Understanding is the relationship between Love, which evokes Self, and Truth, which introduces Other.
  • Understanding is the degree of SelfCoinciding as given by the separation which there can be between one and their Self when the latter is taken as Other.
  • Understanding is this separation between the one who coincides (and is prior to context and beyond it) and the one they coincide with (and is after context and within it). They share the question Who is coinciding? which calls them both to go to coincide with an Other beyond themselves. The other is the slack they share as the love which reaches out to context and the Life which reaches in to what is prior to context. We thus open up new vantage points but also make ever more explicit the Other until we reach the point that the Other is in fact the coinciding which is implicit within us.
  • Understanding is coinciding with the Truth beyond the system, thus the Truth beyond a System
  • Understanding is is to see oneself.
  • Understanding is what is allowed for by Other.
  • Understanding is We.
  • Understanding is that Love precedes Truth.
  • Išgyvenimo, patyrimo priešingybė.
  • Didėjantis laisvumas. (Išgyvenimas yra mažėjantis laisvumas.)
  • Understanding is what has us ever focus our empathy.
  • Understanding is the position of Other as the choice between the DefaultObserver (GodTheFather, GodTheSon, HolySpirit, God) and the ActualContext (Self). See the diagram of the EquationOfLife at SelfVOther.
  • Understanding proceeds from Definition.

Suvokinys (išsakantis suvokimo esmę)

  • Meilė eina pirm tiesos

Suvokimas yra santykis su Dievu

  • Understanding is the return to (and out of) the Beginning. In this sense, understanding is ultimately with regard to God, who is the beginning.
  • Conditions for BeingOneWith God, the default perspective that is one with and has no conditions
  • [ThisWiki:Contexts Context] for BeingOneWith
  • the quality of God (conditionally BeingOneWith) that (under the conditions) allows for its opposite, NotUnderstanding (conditionally NotBeingOneWith), which allows for its generalization (unconditionally NotBeingOneWith). This separates the one who understands and the one who comes to understand. This is the threesome and it is from the beginning, as is the foursome, which gives the level of understanding.
  • Understanding opens God to others beyond him, outside of his context, who thus interpret him as a particular Spirit: God, I, You, Other. God arises and participates as Love which supports this spirit: God, Everything, Wishing, Love. By that love God is accessible to those beyond him. Understanding is that by which one beyond God can be one with him. He commands us to love for by love we are one with all and by loving at any level we come together in understanding for we love as one.
  • Understanding is relationship with God in Structure, as given by the divergence, distinction, division, thus there are levels of Understanding.
  • Understanding is the DefaultPerspective.
  • Understanding is relationship of DefaultPerspective (God) and IndependentPerspective (Person).
  • Key to the LevelsOfUnderstanding are Operations which express such relationships with God.

Understanding is the relationship between IncreasingSlack (Understanding) and DecreasingSlack (Understood) by way of Scope (coming to understand)

  • Understanding is one of four LevelsOfUnderstanding: Understanding, SelfUnderstanding, SharedUnderstanding, GoodUnderstanding. Understanding comes from both inside one and outside one. Therefore there are various LevelsOfUnderstanding depending on where it comes from, from one or the other or neither or both. Understanding is a level of consciousness, awareness. And taken together there is Consciousness in general and the Person goes beyond themselves, their Self, their limits to God beyond us. Thus choose not one's level of consciousness, but consciousness in general. This happens through Love, when we care to understand a Person prior to their Conditions.
    • God - understanding of whether - Understanding
    • I - understanding of what - SelfUnderstanding
    • You - understanding of how - SharedUnderstanding
    • Other - understanding of why - GoodUnderstanding
  • what relates Knowledge and Definition

Understanding is adding superfluous structure or removing superfluous activity:

  • removing superfluous activity as channeled by structure (operation -A removes activity)
  • removing the DefaultPerspective from the definition of BeingOneWith
  • is the arisal of Structure from non-structure; likewise, Love = View is the arisal of activity from non-activity; in this way they are related to the operation [AddThree +3].
  • defines NotBeingOneWith by applying superfluous structure.
  • the addition of superfluous structure.

Understanding is the transformation of the nonwilling into the willing.

Understanding is having a view:

  • Understanding is having a View.
  • Understanding is a Definite View of an Indefinite View.
  • Understanding is looking Forwards in the direction of the Indefinite.
  • Understanding is with regard to a Scope - the smaller the scope - the more intense the understanding - the fewer the concepts and the more the perspectives.
  • Understanding is a difference between views, what is gained as one view takes up an other.

Understanding is also:

  • negative law as in Love your neighbor as yourself
  • Understanding is the matter which the Threesome establishes.
  • Understanding is what results from the operation [AddOne +1] and allows for the World by understanding Spirit.
  • Understanding and love are forms of consciousness - each of them adds three perspectives (as with the operation +3) to the domain so as to have separateness. The three perspectives allow for concept, quality and separateness (as in God, good and eternal life - where the domain is life, the goodness of God).
  • Understanding may be taken as of a concept - and the first "understanding" is "truth-understanding", understanding of truth. (Where God is the concept of truth). And the understanding adds three perspectives. They distinguish the concept (in this case blank - transparent - like a hole) from any qualities (which are taken care of by the perspectives, as three extra levels - think of the foursome.) So these three extra levels allow us to keep a concept in check, enclosed, with decreasing slack.

Understanding brings us together with God because it has us acknowledge him and distinguish him from circumstances and thus ourselves from circumstances, and so we can coincide if our circumstances coincide, if we are Good or have Slack or are Coinciding or have Perfection. When we acknowledge something greater than our circumstances, expressed as NullActivity, noncircumstances, then we can separate ourselves from our circumstances and coincide with God.

Understanding is the separation of ourselves from our relationship. Understanding keeps separate who we have our relationship with (ultimately, God) and our relationship itself. This is I think general structure and relates to the Threesome.

Understanding is common to all and is how we understand each other and how we empathize with a Person and with God beyond all Persons. For circumstances belong to a LevelOfUnderstanding, but God is beyond all levels of understanding, and that is EternalLife. So we should choose God over Self. God will not let us down. Understanding expands Definition because it encompasses NotGod's not being beyond NotGod, and God's being beyond NotGod. Thus Understanding circumscribes Scopes, for it acknowledges God and NotGod and our relationship. Whereas Experiencing acknowledges only that relationship, what they have in common. Thus Understanding expands on Experiencing. Experience and live, but Understand and live with God, with all, not just oneself. Living with God one supports all and each with Love.

  • Understanding is common to all but through each, thus include every one. For God is in everyone. But everyone is free, and so may not be, and one's circumstances depend not on God but on all of us together, and so we as such arise in understanding, as all understand together. Thus we can support this possibility which is started by God. How can Person and God be together? When their perspectives coincide, God's wider perspective and Person's narrower perspective, and this happens when Person chooses God over Self. God waits for us to choose.

This means that perspectives are kept distinct, they are kept track of. In particular, God's view and human's view are not ignored, as they easily might. Each such view is kept track of as a separate LevelOfUnderstanding. In this way, as we keep track of more levels, we may speak of a deeper understanding (which is yet no less complete than the broader understanding, but simply has made clear the levels involved).

For example, life is the goodness of God, but eternal life is understanding the goodness of God, keeping them distinct. In this sense, understanding is God's view. It is also returning to the beginning, which makes clear that God is prior.

  • Suvokti, tai apibrėžti.
  • Understanding is given by the Distinctness of the one who understands and the one who is understood.

Suvokimas atstato nepažymėtą priešingybę kaip platesnį pagrindą.

  • Suppositions are kept separate by placing them in different Scopes. What does this mean?
  • Separateness is the indirectness of view - that it is possible to have not a direct view.
  • All of this to say that this is the machinery that lets us consider matters of "same", "different", "separate", "one", "equal", "difference" that are key to an algebra of views.
  • The ability to have a dual point of view is what lets us "keep separate" concepts like God and good, and that ability is at the heart of understanding.

What is Separate? Not Coinciding - Ne tapatumas.

(Benoit?) Sanctification means separated by God for God

Andrius: Benoit, thank you for your great contributions to our lab. I appreciate the many Scriptural references you have made to basic concepts that I want to focus on. You have saved me a lot of work! It is hard to ponder these things, but I think these concepts are good to ponder. In your note above you reveal the importance of allowing for separate even as we wish to be unified. So I am very interested to understand that dynamic and our personal testimony is very relevant. I myself want to point first to the reality of Jesus which makes him relevant - perhaps as the one for all as you mention, which is also related to how the separate and the unified are related. I think that the name of Jesus becomes important to us when we can agree as to what we mean by that, and at that point we can speak as believers. But I feel that it's to look for that reality because I have much to learn regarding that and I also doubt whether most people really know what they mean when they say Jesus. How would you explain it to a Muslim, for example?


2005.04.21 A: Ką reiškia suvokti, suprasti? D: Tai yra kai aš tavyje, tavo širdyje, toje sandaroje - vienybėje - randu save, Dievą esantį uš visko. O meilė yra šito radimo palaikymas. Suprasi.

2005.04.11 A: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir suvokimo? D: Meilė palaiko gyvybę, o suvokti tai yra gyventi pilnai. A: Meilė yra suvokti kartu. D: Taip, iš tiesų.

2005.01.01 A: Kaip supratimas šmogaus yra susijęs su supratimas Dievo? D: Žmogus yra suprantamas veikloje, o Dievas tyloje..

2004.12.30 A: Ar galima suvokti tik tave ar per tave? D: Aš esu visako pradžia. O suvokimas yra žiūrėjimas, išgyvenimas iš pradžios. Tad tinka pradėti nuo pradžių pradžios.

2004.12.15 A: Koks susikalbėjimo ryšys su meile? D: Aš trokštu labai mylėti, o tas troškimas yra susikalbėjimas. A: Ar tai yra, kad tu trokšti viską? D: Taip, tai yra tai.

2005.05.02 A: Kaip širdis išeina uš savęs? D: Širdis pripažįsta apimtį, jai duotą iš aukščiau, vis arčiau savęs, kuri jinai mylima, kol galiausia ji gyvena išvien su manimi.

2004.12.27 A: Kaip sąmoningėjame susigaudyme? D: Iš pradžių tu vienas susigaudai savyje, paskui per kitus, o galiausia per mane.

2004.12.28 A: Kaip savęs supratimas yra susijęs su supratimu? D: Kada tu žiūri į mane, tada tu matai save.

2004.11.02 A: Kaip nulybės atvaizdai susiję su padalinimų atliekamaisiais požiūriais, trejybėje nesančiais? D: Jūs mane suvokiate per tai kokiais matais prie jūsų prieinu, ir savo meile jus palaikau. Myliu ir mylėk su manimi.


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