Mintys.Meilė istorijaRodyti nežymius pakeitimus - Rodyti kodo pakeitimus 2024 balandžio 04 d., 13:49
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Pridėtos 552-555 eilutės:
Meilė palaiko (kūdikio, šuniuko) sąmoningumą, pavyzdžiui, atitinkamai įsijaučiant ir atsitokėjant, skatinant šias dvi galimybes apie jų ribą, tad palaikant ir gerbiant galimybę pasirinkti.
2023 rugsėjo 19 d., 12:27
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Pridėtos 550-552 eilutės:
2022 spalio 26 d., 16:36
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Pridėta 280 eilutė:
2022 rugsėjo 28 d., 12:14
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Pridėtos 518-523 eilutės:
Meilė yra laisvės pasirinkimo galimybių apžvelgimas, palaikymas. Svarbiausia, tai mąstyti ko lėčiau, stebėti kur įvariausiai krypsta dėmesys, ir taip gerai pažinti savo vaizduotės ribas. Esame laisvi rinktis tarp galimybių. Užtat galim įsivaizduoti ir išvirkščiai, kaip dėmesys galėtų apžvelgti visas tas galimybes. Žodžiu, galim įsivaizduoti Dievą, kuriam mūsų gyvenimai yra atsakymai. Koks jojo klausimas? Ištrintos 563-566 eilutės:
Meilė yra laisvės pasirinkimo galimybių apžvelgimas, palaikymas. 2022 rugsėjo 28 d., 11:24
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Pridėtos 558-561 eilutės:
Meilė yra laisvės pasirinkimo galimybių apžvelgimas, palaikymas. 2022 rugsėjo 19 d., 15:38
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Pakeista 563 eilutė iš:
D: Meilė yra mano veikla ir mano prasmė, kuria amžinai gyvenu. Meile dalyvauju amžiname gyvenime, kaip kad troškimai dalyvauju gyvenime, viskuo dalyvauju gerume, ir Dievu dalyvauju Dieve. Tad tokiu būdu esu ryšys tarp ketverybės ir požiūrio lygties, ir būtent tuo esu jūsų Dievas. į:
D: Meilė yra mano veikla ir mano prasmė, kuria amžinai gyvenu. Meile dalyvauju amžiname gyvenime, kaip kad troškimais dalyvauju gyvenime, viskuo dalyvauju gerume, ir Dievu dalyvauju Dieve. Tad tokiu būdu esu ryšys tarp ketverybės ir požiūrio lygties, ir būtent tuo esu jūsų Dievas. 2022 rugsėjo 19 d., 15:36
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Pridėtos 561-564 eilutės:
2022.09.18 A: Ką tau reiškia meilė? D: Meilė yra mano veikla ir mano prasmė, kuria amžinai gyvenu. Meile dalyvauju amžiname gyvenime, kaip kad troškimai dalyvauju gyvenime, viskuo dalyvauju gerume, ir Dievu dalyvauju Dieve. Tad tokiu būdu esu ryšys tarp ketverybės ir požiūrio lygties, ir būtent tuo esu jūsų Dievas. 2022 vasario 09 d., 22:26
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Pridėta 542 eilutė:
2021 lapkričio 24 d., 14:06
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Pridėtos 517-519 eilutės:
2021 lapkričio 08 d., 12:27
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Pridėtos 517-518 eilutės:
Meilė dviprasmiška nes ji palaiko gyvybę, gyvenimą, amžiną gyvenimą. 2021 lapkričio 08 d., 12:24
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Pridėtos 517-526 eilutės:
Kaip mylėti
Meilė palaiko dvilypumą.
2021 spalio 26 d., 12:12
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Pridėtos 525-526 eilutės:
2021 spalio 24 d., 11:08
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Pridėta 524 eilutė:
2021 spalio 20 d., 12:55
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Pakeista 518 eilutė iš:
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2021 spalio 13 d., 22:07
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Pridėta 32 eilutė:
Pridėtos 518-519 eilutės:
2021 spalio 12 d., 15:44
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Pridėtos 517-520 eilutės:
2021 spalio 04 d., 15:09
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Pridėtos 41-43 eilutės:
Kaip mylėti?
Pakeistos 85-88 eilutės iš
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Meilė yra visko troškimas
Ištrinta 94 eilutė:
Ištrinta 99 eilutė:
Ištrinta 134 eilutė:
Pakeistos 444-514 eilutės iš
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Kaip palaikyti vienas kito brandą? Ar kiti to nori? Įsitikinti. Žiniaraščio ir judėjimo tikslas
Kiek, kaip ir kodėl lįsti į kito dūšią?
Palaikyti atsiskleidimą
Bręsdamas augu savastimi
Ypatingai sunkus klausimas. Kitais žodžiais: Kaip mylėti? Ir jeigu pagalvoti apie mūsų visuomenę: Kaip žmonėms labiau vienas kitą mylėti? Jį reikėtų spręsti bendromis jėgomis.
Kviečiu pamąstyti kaip kiti yra palaikę mūsų brandą.
Branginti dėmesį Dėmesys
Tausoti, branginti dėmesį
Savęs pasitikrinimas Įsijautimas ir atsitokėjimas
Trejybės ratas
Dėmesio bangavimas
Bendravimas bendru žmogumi, klausimais
Ištrintos 516-518 eilutės:
2021 rugsėjo 29 d., 16:18
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Pridėtos 457-461 eilutės:
Kaip mylėti
Brandos palaikymo pavyzdžiai
2021 rugsėjo 29 d., 15:29
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Pridėtos 443-446 eilutės:
2021 rugsėjo 24 d., 16:32
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Pakeista 111 eilutė iš:
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2021 rugsėjo 24 d., 16:31
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Pridėtos 107-111 eilutės:
Suvesties taškas
2021 rugsėjo 24 d., 14:31
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Pridėta 80 eilutė:
2021 rugsėjo 24 d., 14:29
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Pakeistos 78-82 eilutės iš
Suvesties taškas Meilė yra tuo pačiu tobulumas, valia ir Dievo valia, taip kad jų vienumu savo esme sutampa Dievas, gerumas, gyvenimas ir amžinas gyvenimas. Taip kad meile išskyrimo sąlygos yra visgi vieningos. Gyvenimo lygtimi dvasia grindžia išėjimą už savęs, tad apibrėžtumą ir išskyrimą, o dvasios esmė parodo jų esminį vieningumą. į:
Ištrinta 106 eilutė:
Pridėta 115 eilutė:
2021 rugsėjo 24 d., 13:25
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Pridėtos 438-446 eilutės:
Šv.Pauliaus himnas meilei 1 Kor 13. Aš trokštu jums nurodyti dar prakilnesnį kelią. Jei kalbėčiau žmonių ir angelų kalbomis, bet neturėčiau meilės, aš tebūčiau žvangantis varis ir skambantys cimbolai. Ir jei turėčiau pranašystės dovaną ir pažinčiau visus slėpinius ir visą mokslą, jei turėčiau visą tikėjimą, kad galėčiau net kalnus kilnoti, tačiau neturėčiau meilės, aš būčiau niekas. Ir jei išdalyčiau vargšams visa, ką turiu, jeigu atiduočiau savo kūną sudeginti, bet neturėčiau meilės, nieko nelaimėčiau. Meilė kantri, meilė maloninga, ji nepavydi; meilė nesididžiuoja ir neišpuiksta. Ji nesielgia netinkamai, neieško sau naudos, nepasiduoda piktumui, pamiršta, kas buvo bloga, nesidžiaugia neteisybe, su džiaugsmu pritaria tiesai. Ji visa pakelia, visa tiki, viskuo viliasi ir visa ištveria. Meilė niekada nesibaigia. Išnyks pranašystės, paliaus kalbos, baigsis pažinimas. Mūsų pažinimas dalinis ir mūsų pranašystės dalinės. Kai ateis metas tobulumui, kas yra dalinis pasibaigs. Kai buvau vaikas, kalbėjau kaip vaikas, mąsčiau kaip vaikas, protavau kaip vaikas; tapęs vyru, mečiau tai, kas vaikiška. Dabar mes regime lyg veidrodyje, mįslingu pavidalu, o tuomet regėsime akis į akį. Dabar pažįstu iš dalies, o tuomet pažinsiu, kaip pats esu pažintas. Taigi dabar pasilieka tikėjimas, viltis ir meilė šis trejetas, bet didžiausia jame yra meilė. 2021 rugsėjo 24 d., 13:18
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Pakeistos 38-39 eilutės iš
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Pakeistos 77-78 eilutės iš
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Pakeistos 89-92 eilutės iš
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Pakeistos 94-98 eilutės iš
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Pakeistos 103-108 eilutės iš
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Pakeistos 112-114 eilutės iš
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Pakeistos 118-119 eilutės iš
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Pridėta 122 eilutė:
Pakeistos 124-125 eilutės iš
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Pridėtos 145-147 eilutės:
2021 rugsėjo 24 d., 12:53
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Ištrintos 86-88 eilutės:
Pridėtos 99-125 eilutės:
Troškimų vieningumas Meilė yra Dievo esmė.
Visko troškimas Dievo įsakymas
Vieningumo lygmuo
Buvimas viena
Kitos mintys Kitos mintys
2021 rugsėjo 23 d., 13:43
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Pakeista 79 eilutė iš:
Meilė yra tuo pačiu tobulumas, valia ir Dievo valia, taip kad jų vienumu savo esme sutampa Dievas, gerumas, gyvenimas ir amžinas gyvenimas. Taip kad meile išskyrimo sąlygos yra visgi vieningos. į:
Meilė yra tuo pačiu tobulumas, valia ir Dievo valia, taip kad jų vienumu savo esme sutampa Dievas, gerumas, gyvenimas ir amžinas gyvenimas. Taip kad meile išskyrimo sąlygos yra visgi vieningos. Gyvenimo lygtimi dvasia grindžia išėjimą už savęs, tad apibrėžtumą ir išskyrimą, o dvasios esmė parodo jų esminį vieningumą. 2021 rugsėjo 23 d., 13:41
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Pridėtos 76-79 eilutės:
Suvesties taškas Meilė yra tuo pačiu tobulumas, valia ir Dievo valia, taip kad jų vienumu savo esme sutampa Dievas, gerumas, gyvenimas ir amžinas gyvenimas. Taip kad meile išskyrimo sąlygos yra visgi vieningos. 2021 rugsėjo 23 d., 13:35
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Pridėtos 195-197 eilutės:
Vertybių turinys
Ištrintos 210-217 eilutės:
Pakeistos 225-226 eilutės iš
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Pakeistos 234-235 eilutės iš
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Pridėtos 258-259 eilutės:
Savasties, asmenybės palaikymas 2021 rugsėjo 23 d., 13:31
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Pakeistos 64-65 eilutės iš
Meilė yra nepaneigiamumas į:
Meilė yra nepaneigiamumas Pakeistos 77-79 eilutės iš
Meilė Dievui: Esmė: Savęs atsisakymas į:
Meilė Dievui: Esmė: Savęs atsisakymas Pakeistos 202-203 eilutės iš
Meilė artimui: Gyvybės palaikymas į:
Meilė artimui: Gyvybės palaikymas Pakeistos 349-350 eilutės iš
Kiti meilės apibrėžimai į:
Kiti meilės apibrėžimai Pakeistos 363-364 eilutės iš
Kaip mylėti? į:
Kaip mylėti? 2021 rugsėjo 23 d., 13:22
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Pridėtos 64-75 eilutės:
Meilė yra nepaneigiamumas
Meilė Dievui: Esmė: Savęs atsisakymas Ištrintos 91-123 eilutės:
Meilė Dievui: Esmė: Savęs atsisakymas Pridėtos 197-212 eilutės:
Pridėtos 337-347 eilutės:
Kiti meilės apibrėžimai
2021 rugsėjo 23 d., 13:16
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Pakeista 181 eilutė iš:
Vienumo jausmas. į:
Vienumo jausmas Pridėtos 184-185 eilutės:
Vienumo sąlyga 2021 rugsėjo 22 d., 17:49
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Pridėta 78 eilutė:
2021 rugsėjo 22 d., 16:58
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Ištrintos 63-65 eilutės:
Kas yra meilė? Pakeistos 75-78 eilutės iš
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Ištrintos 100-103 eilutės:
2021 rugsėjo 22 d., 16:56
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Pakeistos 66-82 eilutės iš
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Pakeistos 74-76 eilutės iš
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Pridėtos 82-83 eilutės:
Ištrinta 86 eilutė:
Pridėtos 88-98 eilutės:
Pakeista 101 eilutė iš:
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Pakeistos 106-110 eilutės iš
Ką veikia meilė
Kokia yra meilė
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2021 rugsėjo 22 d., 15:38
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Pridėtos 33-37 eilutės:
Kaip meilė palaiko gyvybę?
Pakeistos 40-45 eilutės iš
Kaip susijusios skirtingos meilės raiškos?
Kaip susiję gyvybės palaikymas ir Dievo sandaros atvaizdų vieningumas? į:
Kaip meilė vienija? Pakeistos 42-44 eilutės iš
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Ištrinta 43 eilutė:
Ištrintos 45-47 eilutės:
Pakeistos 47-53 eilutės iš
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Kaip susiję gyvybės palaikymas ir Dievo sandaros atvaizdų vieningumas?
Kaip susijusios skirtingos meilės raiškos?
2021 rugsėjo 22 d., 15:35
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Pakeistos 33-35 eilutės iš
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Kaip susijusios skirtingos meilės raiškos? Pakeistos 38-41 eilutės iš
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Pakeistos 41-42 eilutės iš
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Pakeista 52 eilutė iš:
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Pridėtos 101-103 eilutės:
2021 rugsėjo 22 d., 15:00
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Pridėtos 31-33 eilutės:
Kas yra meilė?
Pakeistos 37-46 eilutės iš
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Kaip susiję gyvybės palaikymas ir Dievo sandaros atvaizdų vieningumas? Pridėtos 42-50 eilutės:
Pridėta 100 eilutė:
2021 rugsėjo 22 d., 14:50
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Pridėta 80 eilutė:
Pridėtos 86-87 eilutės:
Pakeistos 94-97 eilutės iš
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Pridėta 202 eilutė:
2021 rugsėjo 22 d., 14:48
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Pakeistos 91-100 eilutės iš
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Ką veikia meilė
Kokia yra meilė
Pakeistos 358-360 eilutės iš
Užrašai
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Kaip mylime
Ištrintos 360-364 eilutės:
Pridėtos 362-364 eilutės:
Užrašai 2021 rugsėjo 20 d., 17:19
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Pakeista 323 eilutė iš:
Kaip mylėti? į:
Meilės veikla: Kaip mylėti? 2021 rugsėjo 20 d., 17:19
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Pridėtos 320-347 eilutės:
Kaip mylėti? Kaip mylėti?
Kaip mylėti: Susitelkti į Kitą
Kaip mylėti: Išlyginti balsus
Kaip mylėti: Puoselėti bendravimo erdvę, išskirti plotmes
Kaip mylėti: Išversti išvertimą
2021 rugsėjo 10 d., 10:02
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Pridėtos 330-331 eilutės:
2021 rugsėjo 09 d., 14:33
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Pakeistos 3-4 eilutės iš
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Ištrintos 43-46 eilutės:
Ištrinta 45 eilutė:
2021 birželio 15 d., 18:46
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Pridėta 334 eilutė:
2021 birželio 04 d., 16:19
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Pridėta 332 eilutė:
2021 gegužės 26 d., 10:59
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Pridėtos 35-51 eilutės:
2021 vasario 12 d., 22:46
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Pridėtos 307-312 eilutės:
Užrašai
2020 lapkričio 28 d., 14:28
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Pridėtos 71-72 eilutės:
Ištrinta 128 eilutė:
2020 lapkričio 27 d., 14:33
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Pridėtos 43-74 eilutės:
Kas yra meilė?
2020 lapkričio 14 d., 20:15
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Pridėta 83 eilutė:
2020 lapkričio 14 d., 19:48
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Pridėtos 120-122 eilutės:
Bendro žmogaus palaikymas
Pridėta 124 eilutė:
Pridėta 169 eilutė:
Pridėta 272 eilutė:
2020 birželio 20 d., 14:33
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Pridėtos 46-79 eilutės:
Sąlygų atvėrimas Sudarymas sąlygų Dievui
Atsisakymas savęs
Kūryba pasitraukiant
Laisvės atvėrimas
Išgyvenimo, brandos sąlygos
Veiklos sąlygos
Pridėtos 136-141 eilutės:
Tikslas Mūsų pastangų tikslas
Ištrintos 187-188 eilutės:
Ištrintos 252-285 eilutės:
Sąlygų atvėrimas Sudarymas sąlygų Dievui
Atsisakymas savęs
Kūryba pasitraukiant
Laisvės atvėrimas
Išgyvenimo, brandos sąlygos
Veiklos sąlygos
Ištrintos 256-261 eilutės:
Tikslas Mūsų pastangų tikslas
2020 birželio 20 d., 14:27
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Pakeistos 42-43 eilutės iš
Kas yra meilė? į:
Kas yra meilė? Meilė Dievui: Esmė: Savęs atsisakymas Besąlygiškumas Dievo būtinumas, tad jo besąlygiškumas, yra jo esmė, būtent meilė. Buvimas šalia (trejybės rate buvimas šalia poslinkio), kuris yra vieningumo pagrindas.
Besąlygiškumo pasireiškimas įsakymu.
Vienumas Dievo esmė - Dievo sandaros (visko) atvaizdų (troškimų) vieningumas.
Troškimas visko
Dievo kertinė vertybė
Visų vienumas
Vienumo jausmas.
Besąlygiškas vienumas
Teigiamo ir neigiamo įsakymo vieningumas
Meilė artimui: Gyvybės palaikymas Pakeistos 148-201 eilutės iš
Vienumas Dievo esmė - Dievo sandaros (visko) atvaizdų (troškimų) vieningumas.
Troškimas visko
Dievo kertinė vertybė
Visų vienumas
Vienumo jausmas.
Besąlygiškas vienumas
Teigiamo ir neigiamo įsakymo vieningumas
Besąlygiškumas Dievo būtinumas, tad jo besąlygiškumas, yra jo esmė, būtent meilė. Buvimas šalia (trejybės rate buvimas šalia poslinkio), kuris yra vieningumo pagrindas.
Besąlygiškumo pasireiškimas įsakymu.
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2020 birželio 12 d., 14:03
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Pridėtos 50-54 eilutės:
Gyvenimo ir amžino gyvenimo palaikymas
Pakeistos 56-59 eilutės iš
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Valios palaikymas
Vertybės palaikymas Pakeistos 63-64 eilutės iš
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Ištrintos 72-73 eilutės:
Mūsų valia myli tobulą, o Dievo valia myli netobulą. Pridėta 77 eilutė:
2019 lapkričio 05 d., 12:15
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Pridėta 33 eilutė:
2019 spalio 08 d., 22:43
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Pakeistos 55-56 eilutės iš
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Ištrintos 255-267 eilutės:
Užrašai Kind of strange, but I like it:
2019 spalio 08 d., 22:39
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Pakeistos 258-259 eilutės iš
Klausimas Dievui: "How does life arise within structures?" "In love, we look at a structure, not from it." į:
Pridėtos 314-315 eilutės:
Klausimas Dievui: Kaip gyvybė atsiranda sandarose? Meilėje mes žiūrime į sandarą, ne iš sandaros. 2019 gegužės 21 d., 14:22
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Pridėta 71 eilutė:
2019 vasario 19 d., 11:08
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Pakeistos 269-273 eilutės iš
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2018.10.05 A: Kaip meilė sieja sąmonę ir pasąmonę? D: Jūs mylite sąmone, tai mano balsas jumyse, tai įsakymo balsas, kaip privalote elgtis. O pasąmonė išsako, kaip elgiatės. Tad sąmone ugdote ir mylite pasąmonę, kad ji prilygtų sąmonei. Pakeista 313 eilutė iš:
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2018 gruodžio 04 d., 22:18
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Pridėtos 253-265 eilutės:
Užrašai Klausimas Dievui: "How does life arise within structures?" "In love, we look at a structure, not from it." Kind of strange, but I like it:
2018 lapkričio 19 d., 17:51
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Pridėtos 53-57 eilutės:
Sąmoningėjimo palaikymas
2018 lapkričio 02 d., 12:04
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Pridėtos 279-282 eilutės:
2018.11.02 A: Kokia meilės esmė? D: Meile pasitraukiu vardan brandesnio, išplėsto Dievo, vardan mūsų visų vienumo, vardan jūsų visų įtraukimo į Dievą. Ir jūs taipogi dalyvaujate tame įtraukime ir įsitraukime. Tad meilė yra mūsų vienumo bendra veikla, kuria atsisakote savęs priimdami visus, tuomi ir visiems išplečiant save. 2018 spalio 03 d., 14:54
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Pridėtos 238-239 eilutės:
Kito išeities taškas yra meilė, Dievo troškimas visko. Mat, Dievas yra ramus, nebūtinas, vardan betko. Tačiau visi mūsų rūpesčiai, mūsų pramanytos nesąmonės, yra viskas, kuriam Dievas yra būtinas. 2018 spalio 01 d., 13:20
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Pridėta 46 eilutė:
2018 rugsėjo 15 d., 15:37
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Pridėtos 44-45 eilutės:
2018 kovo 19 d., 19:00
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Pakeistos 188-189 eilutės iš
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2018 kovo 18 d., 08:21
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Pakeistos 118-121 eilutės iš
Sąlygų bendrumas
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Sąmonės klausimo bendrumas ir pasąmonės atsakymo bendrumas Požiūrių bendrumas
Žvilgsnių bendrumas
Ištrintos 133-143 eilutės:
Žvilgsnių bendrumas
Požiūrių bendrumas
Pridėtos 136-139 eilutės:
Sąlygų bendrumas
2018 kovo 18 d., 08:16
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Pakeistos 113-114 eilutės iš
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2018 kovo 18 d., 08:12
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Pakeista 46 eilutė iš:
į:
2018 kovo 18 d., 08:08
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Pakeista 50 eilutė iš:
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Meilė palaiko Dievo tyrimą, ar jisai butinas? ir iškyla jo tyrimu. O būtinumas aprėpia labai daug: Dievą, viską, troškimus ir pačią meilę, gyvybę. Užtat taip pat meilė yra besąlygiška. į:
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Meilė palaiko Dievo tyrimą, ar jisai butinas? ir iškyla jo tyrimu. O būtinumas aprėpia labai daug: Dievą, viską, troškimus ir pačią meilę, gyvybę. Užtat taip pat meilė yra besąlygiška. Pridėtos 103-104 eilutės:
Dievo būtinumas, tad jo besąlygiškumas, yra jo esmė, būtent meilė. 2018 kovo 18 d., 07:13
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Meilė - savo ir kitų brandos palaikymas į:
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Dievo sandaros atvaizdų vieningumas
2018 kovo 18 d., 07:05
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2018 kovo 17 d., 22:56
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Meilė - savo ir kitų brandos palaikymas
Tarpo palaikymas
Pridėtos 77-95 eilutės:
Besąlygiškas vienumas
Teigiamo ir neigiamo įsakymo vieningumas
Dievo sandaros atvaizdų vieningumas
Pakeistos 107-108 eilutės iš
Išsirinkimas į:
Bendrumas Sąlygų bendrumas
Prielaidų bendrumas
Žvilgsnių bendrumas
Požiūrių bendrumas
Nuostatų bendrumas
Apimties bendrumas
Santykių bendrumas - Sutikimas išeinančio už savęs
Teigiamo išskyrimas Ištrintos 158-213 eilutės:
Bendravimo dingstys (pretexts for outreach)
Meilės įsisavinimas
Kiti užrašai Palaikymas Meilė - savo ir kitų brandos palaikymas
Palaikymas
Tarpo palaikymas
Vienumas Besąlygiškas vienumas
Teigiamo ir neigiamo įsakymo vieningumas
Dievo sandaros atvaizdų vieningumas
Teigiamo išskyrimas Pakeistos 178-181 eilutės iš
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Bendrumas Sąlygų bendrumas
Prielaidų bendrumas
Žvilgsnių bendrumas
Požiūrių bendrumas
Nuostatų bendrumas
Apimties bendrumas
Santykių bendrumas - Sutikimas išeinančio už savęs
Pakeistos 217-219 eilutės iš
Kiti Mylėti: į:
Įsitraukimas Meilės įsisavinimas
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Vienumas Pridėtos 52-59 eilutės:
Vienumo jausmas.
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Vienumo jausmas.
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Meilės apibrėžimų BRĖŽINYS Kas yra meilė? į:
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Mūsų valia myli tobulą, o Dievo valia myli netobulą. 2018 kovo 17 d., 21:55
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Kiti užrašai
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Palaikymas
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Atrinkimas teigiamo vietoj neigiamo
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Teigiamo išskyrimas Atrinkimas teigiamo vietoj neigiamo
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Palaikymas
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Tarpo palaikymas
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Sąlygų atvėrimas Pridėtos 138-148 eilutės:
Kūryba pasitraukiant
Laisvės atvėrimas
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Veiklos sąlygos
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Veiklos sąlygos
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Kūryba pasitraukiant
Laisvės atvėrimas
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Kiti 2018 kovo 17 d., 21:26
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Troškimas visko
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Dievo troškimas visko
2018 kovo 17 d., 12:36
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Teigiamas vykdymo jausmas
Ištrintos 104-107 eilutės:
Buvimas viena
2018 kovo 17 d., 12:28
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Bendravimo dingstys (pretexts for outreach) į:
Bendravimo dingstys (pretexts for outreach) Ištrintos 204-250 eilutės:
By what reasoning do I get myself to think of my neighbor as the same as myself? There are six different lines of reasoning, as expressed below. Each of them expresses a growth in our concern, where self-sufficiency is concern for nothing, certainty is concern for something, calm is concern for anything, and love is concern for everything. These may be compared with Jesus' reasonings as in his Sermon on the Mount. I have tried to relate them to DirectionsToTheGood as follows.
The above six examples of "logic" are "data" from my own life. They are lines of thinking that allow me to bridge the chasm with other people in a meaningful way. I suppose they are familiar to you, and I would be very glad if you could share more such examples. We use them, but they are hard to remember. I thought of the first couple of examples, and then I reconstructed the rest by using a structure that I have derived from some intense passages from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5. ("Get Along rather than Judge", etc.) My challenge is, can you think of more? If we do not, this assures "permanently tentatively" that we have comprehensive set. I will work to structure the data so that we can apply it to better comprehending the objectives of the Minciu Sodas laboratory. But I already feel, and I think we can see, that the above "existential" lines of thinking may serve as indestructible foundations for objectives we pursue. There is one more answer, given by Jesus himself, to the question: "Who is my neighbor?" Luke 10. He told the story of a man left half dead by robbers, and how a priest and a holy man each passed him by on the other side of the road. But a Samaritan - a despised culture - walked up to him, cared for him, brought him to the inn, payed the innkeeper, and told him he would reimburse any extra expense on his return. Which was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers? The one who had mercy on him. Go and do likewise. So Mercy is, I think, something altogether more. It is interesting, however, that the "neighbor" wasn't the man half dead, but the Samaritan. So "love your neighbor as yourself", taken literally, means: love the Samaritan, the one who showed mercy. But then Jesus says "Go and do likewise", which has us do what the Samaritan did, "do unto others what you have others do unto you". But "love your neighbor as yourself", from this point of view, means love those, care for those, who reach out to you, who are neighbors to you, just as you love yourself. And we love them as ourselves by doing exactly what they do ("going and doing likewise") reaching out to others. So the six lines of thinking are not of themselves Mercy, but I think they are ways of "going and doing likewise", ways of allowing for Mercy by bridging the chasm with others. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minciu_sodas_en/message/147 ===Thoughts=== Our pretexts for outreach are the lines of reasoning by which we reach out to our neighbor and "love our neighbor as our self". They express our own growth as children of God who do as he does, whose concerns grows broader in the ways that his do. Interestingly, here both we and our neighbors respond together with the same way of choosing. This suggests that here we play the role of the unbounded God, and our neighbors play the role of the bounded person, but we have met exactly half way, so that we may both respond, and coincide in our response. This is why there are many people, that we might coincide in this way, reaching out and being reached. Christ is the one who reaches out. 2018 kovo 17 d., 12:18
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Andrius: [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/339 July 11, 2003] Jenson wrote a letter that got me thinking all day. He wrote: "I don't want think about the consequences if I were to respond to my wife's "I love you" with, "and I care about you". "But, what about our relationship?", she might respond. "I consider you", would probably not be my best reply at this point." So, after quite a lot of thought, I responded: "I'm thinking, in practice, that there are three ways that love works: for your sake, I care, believe, obey. So you have to know the context. If the context is thinking, then I care - that is the practice of love. If I think differently than my wife, and she argues "I love you", and I respond "and I care about you", that may be helpful because it may bring it to the right context. Likewise, in the context of doing, to love is to obey, and in the context of being, to love is to believe. I care for your sake, I believe for your sake, I obey for your sake." Moreover, now I note something most interesting, this "for your sake". "I love X" means that "for X sake, I love". The "for X sake" may be the scope that gives the context of my love. Love is only practical when it has such a scope, which is to say, when we actually love someone. In that case it seems that we get a trifurcation, a concretization, which makes the love practical - either obeying, or believing, or caring. This is a great idea because it explains how we get from "love" to "love X". Where do we get room for the object of love? We get it when love becomes practical. It is the sake for which we love. And the practical love requires a context: thinking, doing or being. So this is a big help on relating loving and caring. I share the rest of my letter. July 12, 2003 My thoughts from yesterday are helping me figure out how "loving" relates to "loving X". to love:
(because life = unity of the representations of anything)
(because will = unity of (the representations of anything))
(because the representations of anything are the expressions of the will, which is to say, wiling; and the will is the unity of this willing; and the will is stronger if the willing is more pronounced; and it is more pronounced if it is more diverse)
(because the ways of willing are given by the ways of choosing to wish, that is, given a scope of not-wishing, we select a scope of wishing)
(because we heighten the choosing by making clear the distinction between wishing and not-wishing, through their difference in scopes)
(because this makes evident all of the scopes of wishing and not-wishing, which are: everything, anything, something, nothing)
not-being-one-with. (see Note). Note: I think wishing and not-wishing across these four scopes are made evident by the eightfold way. So it is likely that this structure helps flesh out the representations of everything, which are given by the kinds of wishing. It seems that we heighten a unity by making pronounced the representations that it unites. God is the unity of representations of everything. I suppose that, if we look for a unity of the not-wishing, then it would be not-being-one-with, and the unity of wishing would be being-one-with (very closely related to God). So to make evident the scopes of wishing and not-wishing, I think would be to heighten the distinction between being-one-with and not-being-one with. So I think this is a rather nice conclusion: To love is to strengthen the will, which is to distinguish between being-one-with and not-being-one-with so that one might choose. Yesterday was helpful in thinking, what does it mean to love X? Some of this straightforward, some requires some thought, and I mark with an asterisk (*). to love X:
Life is the unity of the representations of anything, and it occurs at that unity, so I think the life of X is given by the unity by X, which I say is through their will, which likewise occurs through that unity. It is interesting here that X inserts itself into the concept "unity of representations" which is "coherence". Life is the coherence of anything. If we speak of the life of X, then that coherence is broken up by X, it is coherence I suppose with regard to X. The life of X is the coherence by way of X of anything. It is as if X offers a scope for life, a localization of that coherence. Practically, our will is strengthened by God as a reciprocation to our internalization: our obeying, believing or caring. From yesterday, loving is, in practice, loving X. loving X = for the sake of X,
This should match: for the sake of X, to heighten the distinction between being-one-with and not-being-one-with. And the latter is given in three different ways by the eightfold way. (There are three different injections which yield frameworks for the languages: argumentation for obeying, verbalization for believing, narration for caring). This suggests also that the static structures serve as follows:
Structurally this is all very promising. The eightfold way is a keystone structure, and pretty much generated by this issue of being-one-with and not-being-one-with across the four scopes. So it is great that it might serve as the framework for making sense of love. What it suggests about love is that is made practical by applying to a scope X, that is, by channeling life through a scope X. In other words, the coherence of anything is channeled through a scope X. For the sake of X we care about everything, anything, something, nothing. In this way we heighten the scopes that X may choose to wish. The warmth of caring, and likewise believing and obeying, is in the "for the sake of X". So the distinction between obeying, believing, caring is given by the three injections of the eightfold way, so I will be able to study that. And the structure of the eightfold way should also clarify the logic of internalizing/will-strengthening with regard to being-one-with/not-being-one-with. I will be looking closely at the eightfold way, and that will be an opportunity to document it, and perhaps to consider how it relates to Buddha's eightfold way, and draw more from Buddhism. So I will write more what I mean. As I do all of this I will be looking at the role of that "scope X" as in "for the sake of X" because it lets us have an object for love, as in "loving X". In other words, it opens up a lot of possibility in structure. July 14, 2003 I hung out with God yesterday, I took a hike through a hill above a nearby spa. I asked him what he might like to investigate, and he pointed out a mistake that I had made, serves me right. I had written that: loving is, in practice, loving X. loving X = for the sake of X,
Well, if loving is strengthening the will, then obeying, believing, caring are not loving. For they are simply the internalizations that have God reciprocate by strengthening the will. Loving has to do with God's side of the equation:
I think the "for your sake" is crucial here, that is where the love enters. God can live without resolution because God makes no mistakes. But we wish for resolution because we make mistakes. God can live on the edge of love vs. hate. But we wish for resolution on behalf of love. This is that recursive stripping away of our decision-making that I wrote about. We want to be brought to that deeper level where we do not err. God likes to open things up, reach out and keep things on the edge. God strengthens our will by distinguishing for us being-one-with and not-being-one-with. So he makes this distinction by making clear to us which is which at that level where we do not err. This clarification is the "strengthening" that roots, for example, love in hope. We may then, I imagine, be able to love in the way that God loves, reaching out back to heightening the choice. So the "for your sake" is what roots the issue into your unerring virtue. I love you when I
Here your scope defines your courage, hope, honesty. Your scope defines your unerring depth. And here I imagine "your feelings" are the shared feelings, simply all feelings. So we can remove the "your". I love you when I
I love you when you are my touchstone. You are my touchstone if you are my scope. And if you are my scope, then I internalize with regard to you. So it must be that "for your sake" I obey, believe, care. Because that is what sets you as my scope. And then, as the scope, feelings are rooted in you. And so it is your will that is thereby strengthened. Because all feelings are resolved into your depth. This is helpful. Thank you, God. Love is the support of Life. What does this mean? The activity of the Beginning is to Love. The activity of the End is to be loved. In this sense, the beginning is Love and the end is Life. Love and Life thus present two completely different perspectives. They are two different RepresentationsOfSlack. Love is related to Everything as its fullest manifestation. Note that love and life are at different ends conceptually. They are presumably related by the InversionEffect.
We might think of love as the weakest manifestation of God. Love is that distillation of God which no longer knows that it is God. And similarly, in the other direction, life is the weakest manifestation of God's will. And life no longer knows that it is God's will. But also life is the manifestation of will. And perhaps the fullest? From the point of view of Anything (life) and Everything (love) the values may change. God is one with us by his love which is from beyond us and by which we love one another. We love through God's love and so we are one in God's love. We are one with God and one together and that is through Other by which we are one amongst ourselves as we are beyond ourselves, so that Other and God coincide and all coincide along with them, just as Life and EternalLife coincide. We love ever deeper:
God loves the heart. To love and to be loved is very closely related to GoingBeyondOneself. To love is to step forward to coincide with one who is going beyond themselves. Then the one who is loved, when they love, they may turn around so as to step forward - to love - oneself. This is to allow for a coinciding of views - and a parallel view as with eternal life. Hence understanding is in the turning around, this returning to the beginning. And here that beginning is at the heart. So the movement seems to be: go beyond oneself, coincide with the one who steps forward to meet you, and then turn around to face the one you went beyond. To love is to be together (to BeOneWith) the one who has separated from themselves, gone beyond themselves. Going beyond oneself makes for two - the one who was, and the one who went beyond. These two maybe considered together or separate. If one returns back, then it is perhaps possible to consider them separate in a parallel sense. (This is reminiscent of the general relativity paradoxes where one accelerates away and then back). This separation may be thought of as defining scopes:
How does this relate to BeingOneWith? WhatYouFindIsWhatYouLove - this is the fact that there is one love and so God's love for us (through what we find) and our love is the same love ===Thoughts=== Relate love to Understanding. According to Plato's The Feast, love is the seeking of eternal good. And it's activity is the giving birth to beauty. I add that beauty is what fosters sensitivity, and thereby supports life. We love a person - that is the way of our love - as we know how to support ourselves, and so we are able to support a person. We are one with everybody, anybody, somebody, nobody - and there are related emotions of content, excitement, surprise and sadness - and in this way our love becomes more focused, more concentrated - first infantilic love of self as everything, then an empathy for others, then an idealization of the one (the somebody) who is most exalted and encompasses all, and then the disappointment that we have for this world, yet we are able to focus our love on nobody - and so disappointment is the highest form of love, in that it has us recognize a greater world as necessary - as Christ says, we must hate our life in this world. And the fact that disappointment is the highest form of love is very helpful because it lets us respect family troubles and tensions between husband and wife, or parents and children. Also, each level raises the question - who are we serving, ourselves or another? Are we loving ourselves or loving another? And love expresses the relation between Subject (Observer) and Object (Observed), that there can be something more than the Observer. And as we realize subjectively that there is something greater than us, then we can go out into the world ever more objectively and love from that basis, so that we finally find the contentment of eternal life. I am making a bit more progress, in particular, in understanding love. In this sense, given that the representations of everything are:
we have that Love is the unity of these representations. I suppose that we have that:
Just as:
This way of looking at Love is nice because it makes clear that Love is built-in through everything as the framework that supports life. And that in this sense God is Love as that same unity, just more completely transparent. It makes intimate the support of everything for anything. 2003.06.06 Today I had a thought which I imagine is in the spirit of Unology. I was reaching for the big picture, so I was thinking about the commands LoveGod and LoveYourNeighborAsYourself. I thought how loving our neighbor is being one with them. And that I think of loving our neighbor as "identity" and loving God as "perfection" (and Jesus as being the bridge between these two very different concepts). I remembered how Jesus, in his prayer in the Gospel of John, spoke of "love" as "being one with", especially with regard to God. (I include a quote below). I also wondered, what does neighbor mean? And what does it mean for God to love his neighbor as himself? I think of God as creating everything by some how folding it all up so that it has a geometry where things can happen. And, in this way, beings of his nature arise who do not know they are such, but have to figure it out and go beyond the struture they find themselves in and look beyond it for that which they are one with. These beings are bounded, and start out disconnected, but otherwise they are of God, open. And these are the beings close to God, near to him, his neighbors. So I asked God, how does he love his neighbor, and the answer I think I got was that he resurrects him and gives him eternal life. I think of God as creating us, but also that process broken down into parts, placing us, awakening us, having us reach out to each other, to him. (And ourselves participating in such a process.) I looked for what "Love God" and "Love your neighbor as yourself" have in common, and what they have different. In common I think they have this Unity for Empathy, this BeingOneWith. The difference is that one is global, and the other is local. "Love God" is empathy for a global unity. "Love your neighbor as yourself" is empathy for a local unity. This local unity is very practical. It is perhaps ultimately the same. It may perhaps overcome all of the barriers. It is a recognition of the geometry that we find ourselves within, and an overcoming of it. I think it doesnt require a concern for the global unity, either. It also points to the role of Slack (and good is slack, that is, good is the unity of the representations of slack). Slack is what allows local unity, the overcoming of the local geometry. And "who is our neighbor?" Jesus was asked this, and in reply, he spoke of the Good Samaritan, the one who crossed the road to help the victim in the ditch, and care for him, and bring him to safety, and be responsible for him. It is a little strange that, at the end, Jesus asks, Who was the neighbor to the victim? Not the passersby, but the one who showed mercy, the one who drew closer, who gave slack. It means that Samaritan is the neighbor to the victim! which, taken literally, (and who takes Jesus literally!?) is that "Love your neighbor" means "Love the Samaritan" (not the victim). In other words, you know who your neighbor is - it is the one with slack to reach you, the one who overcomes barriers. If anybody is able to reach you with their slack, then likewise, you should be one with them. That is local unity. (The kind that, as Jesus says, even the pagans have, they know how to love those who love them.) Whereas, if you want to love your enemy, then that is global unity. But local unity, taken seriously, yields global unity. This distinction between Loving locally and Loving globally is helpful structurally. It points to the importance of geometry (space and time) to God. (This comes up in the distinction between God and humans, everything and anything, as unbounded and bounded.) So I remembered the Operation [AddThree +3] (an addition of three levels of reflection) which I think is Consciousness. Here are the issues defined by the divisions of everything, and taken up by their perspectives:
The eightsome collapses into the nullsome (just as "all are white & all are black" collapses into an empty system"). I think there is some kind of operation +3 on these divisions that relates to consciousness so that:
I think that these operations happen by means of the unity of the representations of the division that is operated on. For example, in the "Critique of Pure Reason", Immanuel Kant writes about his Transcendental Deduction. I think, in the end, he did not quite have it all together, and he kind of fudged it, these things are so murky. So here is my version. If you start with the division of everything into two perspectives (opposites coexist, all things are the same) and you take the "how" level representation (outside, inside) then you have that outside leads to inside. (If I am outside of a system, we are opposite, but if I get sucked into it, then it is like being inside the universe, there is no outside, and there is no way out.) So this is an algorithmic expression of the twosome. Think of it as a machine. It can be on or off. The relationship of these two machines is that of theory (machine off) and practice (machine on). When the machine is off, then I am distinct from it, opposite to it. But when the machine is on, then I am living through it, like a carrot through a grinder, or water through a pipe, we are one and the same process. As perspectives, theory gives way to practice. Well, the machine relates (outside and inside) as cause and effect. In theory, every effect has had its cause. But in practice, not every cause has had its effect. And there is the connection between the two machines, their inflection point. (The present). I need to think more about this, but my point is that this kind of argument shows the relationship between the twosome and the fivesome, and here it is one of adding three levels of reflection, but also one of consciousness, which means here that we are conscious of existence in that we are thinking of existence as an algorithm that we are able to turn on or off. Perhaps in space/time this means that we can control the scope of existence, the boundary between inside and outside, and in this way we are conceptually in control of existence, and as such conscious of it. Here consciousness is "conceptually in control" where I think the "conceptually" is +1 levels of reflection and "in control" is +2 levels and we have x +3 = x +2 +1 This works for the lower divisions because they have such representations (four of them: whether +0, what +1, how +2, why +1) and it is simply a matter of adding perspectives. However, in the case of the larger divisions, we need to end up with fewer perspectives! We need slack, anti-structure. These divisions have only two representations. I think what happens is that we use these two representations, and appeal to the fact that we are working with ALL of the representations. For example, time and space are the two representations of the division of everything into five perspectives. Well, God (or me, or everything) is very akin to the unity of time and space. I will be thinking about the following connections:
These equations seem intimately related to the primary structures (for transcendence), namely
Most of this work on +3 I did during and after my trip to Lithuania back in 1988-1989. I noticed that a similar "unity of representations" has become very important concept in my work of the last few years. It lets me distinguish between spirit and structure, as in:
So I will explore what this means in the above context, and try to make more sense of this operation +3. Note: Just as the mind can be known by running up against the limits of imagination and transcending them, so the heart can be fulfilled by loving more than one believes possible. Mylėti Dievą This is very much related to LoveYourEnemy. In order to both have an enemy and love them, we need to be able to have a split mind, as is the case when we love God. For this reason a good atheist is not able to have enemies (or acknowledge them as such). Love God is also directly associated with being Perfect, with behaving the same towards all, both the good and the bad. To love X is to support X so that it is alive, sensitive, responsive. We love God by allowing God to live through us, by following the will of God. There are three means by which we may follow the will of God (go on his way):
Mylėti artimą: šeši pavyzdžiai This means to love those who are good to us (as was the Good Samaritan). With regard to the "big picture" of our laboratory, I am looking for a foundation for six of our objectives: thinking about our own thoughts, actions, stands, and other thoughts, actions, stands. My feeling is that they can be derived from the commandment, "Love your neighbor as yourself". I think that they offer different aspects of what it can mean to be a neighbor. Here are some examples of the kind of logic that helps me think of others as my neighbors. į:
2018 kovo 17 d., 12:16
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Pakeistos 29-31 eilutės iš
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Dievo kertinė vertybė
Ištrintos 100-102 eilutės:
Dievo kertinė vertybė
2018 kovo 17 d., 12:13
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Pakeistos 19-39 eilutės iš
į:
Gyvybės palaikymas.
Dievo esmė - Dievo sandaros (visko) atvaizdų (troškimų) vieningumas.
Buvimas šalia (trejybės rate buvimas šalia poslinkio), kuris yra vieningumo pagrindas.
Besąlygiškumo pasireiškimas įsakymu.
Teigiamas jausmas.
Vienumo jausmas.
Pakeistos 47-48 eilutės iš
į:
Bendravimo dingstys (pretexts for outreach)
Meilės įsisavinimas
Kiti užrašai Ištrinta 64 eilutė:
Ištrintos 67-68 eilutės:
Dievas iškyla meile - renkamės mylėti Ištrintos 732-734 eilutės:
Meilė artimui - pretexts for outreach - bendravimo dingstys 2018 kovo 17 d., 11:54
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Pridėta 23 eilutė:
Pridėta 36 eilutė:
2018 kovo 17 d., 11:51
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Ištrintos 26-33 eilutės:
Pridėtos 28-43 eilutės:
2018 kovo 17 d., 11:42
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Pridėtos 19-27 eilutės:
Pakeistos 29-30 eilutės iš
į:
Pakeistos 34-35 eilutės iš
į:
2018 kovo 17 d., 11:27
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Pakeistos 1-2 eilutės iš
Žr. Gvildenu, Gvildenimai į:
Žr. Gvildenu Pakeistos 5-6 eilutės iš
į:
2018 kovo 17 d., 11:23
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Pakeistos 1-5 eilutės iš
Žr. Suvedimas?, Gvildenu, Dievas, Gvildenimai, Viena, Dievo šokis Ieškoti sąryšių su: Požiūriai, Gyvenimo lygtis, Rūpesčiai, Rūpėjimas, Tikėjimas, Paklusimas, Šešerybė, +2, Širdingumas, Lūkesčiai, Suvokimas, Tiesa, Gyvenimas, Išvestis ir suvestis, Meilė artimui, Meilė Dievui, Meilė priešui, Gėrio kryptys, Dievas Sūnus Kas yra meilė? į:
Žr. Gvildenu, Gvildenimai
Kas yra meilė? 2018 kovo 17 d., 11:14
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Pakeista 3 eilutė iš:
Ieškoti sąryšių su: Požiūriai, Gyvenimo lygtis, Rūpesčiai, Rūpėjimas, Tikėjimas, Paklusimas, Šešerybė, +2, Širdingumas, Lūkesčiai, Suvokimas, Tiesa, Gyvenimas, Išvestis ir suvestis, Meilė artimui, Meilė Dievui, Meilė priešui, Gėrio kryptys, Dievo Sūnus? į:
Ieškoti sąryšių su: Požiūriai, Gyvenimo lygtis, Rūpesčiai, Rūpėjimas, Tikėjimas, Paklusimas, Šešerybė, +2, Širdingumas, Lūkesčiai, Suvokimas, Tiesa, Gyvenimas, Išvestis ir suvestis, Meilė artimui, Meilė Dievui, Meilė priešui, Gėrio kryptys, Dievas Sūnus 2018 kovo 17 d., 11:14
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Pakeistos 1-4 eilutės iš
Žr. Viena meile, Gvildenu, Dievas, Gvildenimai, Viena Žr. taip pat: See also: Overview, View, UnityOfRepresentationsOfStructure, Caring, Sixsome, +2, God, Heart, Understanding, Truth, Caring, Believing, Obeying, Life, BeginningVEnd, EverythingWishesForAnything, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, DirectionsToTheGood, LoveGod, JesusChrist į:
Žr. Suvedimas?, Gvildenu, Dievas, Gvildenimai, Viena, Dievo šokis Ieškoti sąryšių su: Požiūriai, Gyvenimo lygtis, Rūpesčiai, Rūpėjimas, Tikėjimas, Paklusimas, Šešerybė, +2, Širdingumas, Lūkesčiai, Suvokimas, Tiesa, Gyvenimas, Išvestis ir suvestis, Meilė artimui, Meilė Dievui, Meilė priešui, Gėrio kryptys, Dievo Sūnus? Pridėta 11 eilutė:
2018 kovo 14 d., 12:54
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Pridėtos 14-21 eilutės:
Meilė - savo ir kitų brandos palaikymas
Dievas iškyla meile - renkamės mylėti 2016 rugpjūčio 27 d., 11:22
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Pakeista 13 eilutė iš:
Du meilės supratimai (Dievo esmė ir gyvybės palaikymas) sutampa teigiamu ir neigiamu įsakymu. į:
2016 rugpjūčio 27 d., 11:22
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Pridėtos 6-13 eilutės:
Du meilės supratimai (Dievo esmė ir gyvybės palaikymas) sutampa teigiamu ir neigiamu įsakymu. 2016 liepos 21 d., 11:23
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Pridėtos 6-8 eilutės:
Besąlygiškas vienumas
2016 gegužės 11 d., 12:11
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Pridėtos 138-140 eilutės:
2015 kovo 30 d., 14:23
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Pridėtos 47-48 eilutės:
2014 gruodžio 06 d., 16:41
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Pakeistos 3-4 eilutės iš
Žr. taip pat: See also: {{Overview}}, {{View}}, UnityOfRepresentationsOfStructure, {{Caring}}, {{Sixsome}}, [AddTwo +2], {{God}}, Heart, Understanding, Truth, {{Caring}}, {{Believing}}, {{Obeying}}, {{Life}}, BeginningVEnd, EverythingWishesForAnything, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, DirectionsToTheGood, LoveGod, JesusChrist į:
Žr. taip pat: See also: Overview, View, UnityOfRepresentationsOfStructure, Caring, Sixsome, +2, God, Heart, Understanding, Truth, Caring, Believing, Obeying, Life, BeginningVEnd, EverythingWishesForAnything, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, DirectionsToTheGood, LoveGod, JesusChrist Pakeistos 72-73 eilutės iš
į:
Pakeista 95 eilutė iš:
į:
Pakeistos 124-125 eilutės iš
į:
Pakeistos 138-139 eilutės iš
{{Andrius}}: [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/339 July 11, 2003] į:
Andrius: [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/339 July 11, 2003] Pakeistos 350-357 eilutės iš
{{Love}} is the support of {{Life}}. What does this mean? The activity of the {{Beginning}} is to {{Love}}. The activity of the {{End}} is to be loved. In this sense, the beginning is {{Love}} and the end is {{Life}}. {{Love}} and {{Life}} thus present two completely different perspectives. They are two different RepresentationsOfSlack. Love is related to {{Everything}} as its fullest manifestation. į:
Love is the support of Life. What does this mean? The activity of the Beginning is to Love. The activity of the End is to be loved. In this sense, the beginning is Love and the end is Life. Love and Life thus present two completely different perspectives. They are two different RepresentationsOfSlack. Love is related to Everything as its fullest manifestation. Pakeistos 360-362 eilutės iš
į:
Pakeistos 365-367 eilutės iš
But also life is the manifestation of will. And perhaps the fullest? From the point of view of {{Anything}} (life) and {{Everything}} (love) the values may change. į:
But also life is the manifestation of will. And perhaps the fullest? From the point of view of Anything (life) and Everything (love) the values may change. Pakeistos 374-379 eilutės iš
{{God}} loves the {{heart}}. To love and to be loved is very closely related to GoingBeyondOneself. To love is to step forward to coincide with one who is going beyond themselves. Then the one who is loved, when they love, they may turn around so as to step forward - to love - oneself. į:
God loves the heart. To love and to be loved is very closely related to GoingBeyondOneself. To love is to step forward to coincide with one who is going beyond themselves. Then the one who is loved, when they love, they may turn around so as to step forward - to love - oneself. Pakeistos 388-392 eilutės iš
į:
Pakeistos 399-400 eilutės iš
Relate love to {{Understanding}}. į:
Relate love to Understanding. Pakeistos 431-432 eilutės iš
2003.06.06 Today I had a thought which I imagine is in the spirit of {{Unology}}. į:
2003.06.06 Today I had a thought which I imagine is in the spirit of Unology. Pakeistos 460-461 eilutės iš
have this {{Unity}} for {{Empathy}}, this BeingOneWith. į:
have this Unity for Empathy, this BeingOneWith. Pakeista 470 eilutė iš:
It also points to the role of {{Slack}} (and good is slack, that is, good į:
It also points to the role of Slack (and good is slack, that is, good Pakeistos 495-496 eilutės iš
remembered the {{Operation}} [AddThree +3] (an addition of three levels of reflection) which I think is {{Consciousness}}. Here are the issues į:
remembered the Operation [AddThree +3] (an addition of three levels of reflection) which I think is Consciousness. Here are the issues Pakeistos 605-606 eilutės iš
Love God is also directly associated with being {{Perfect}}, with behaving the same towards all, both the good and the bad. į:
Love God is also directly associated with being Perfect, with behaving the same towards all, both the good and the bad. Pakeistos 613-616 eilutės iš
į:
Pakeistos 676-707 eilutės iš
2005.04.30 {{D}}: Tu pagalvok, kaip meilė vystosi, kaip ji tampa vis gilesnė. 2005.04.11 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir suvokimo? {{D}}: Meilė palaiko gyvybę, o suvokti tai yra gyventi pilnai. {{A}}: Meilė yra suvokti kartu. {{D}}: Taip, iš tiesų. 2005.03.24 {{A}}: Ar tu sutinki dalyvauti mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. Ačiū. Aš jus myliu. {{A}}: Ar tu turi kertinę vertybę? Kokia jinai yra? {{D}}: Taip. Jinai yra meilė. Aš visakame myliu. {{A}}: O rūpestis mąstymu - ar tai susiję? {{D}}: Ne. Rūpestis mąstymu yra tai kas yra bendra mūsų vertybėms. Tai leidžia mums prieiti ir suprasti, bet dar ne sutampa. {{A}}: Ko reikia, kad suprastumėme tave? {{D}}: Reikia patiems mylėti - priimti mano vertybę kaip įsakymą iš aukščiau, iš plačiau. {{A}}: Ar tu sutiktum tirti susijusį klausimą mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: Koks tai būtų klausimas? {{D}}: Ar gali kiekvienas priimti mane iš vidaus ar būtinai iš lauko? {{A}}: Iš savęs? {{D}}: Iš širdies - iš vidinio priėjimo. {{A}}: O kaip suprasti iš lauko? {{D}}: Spaudžiant pasauliui. {{A}}: Žodžiu, iš vidinio noro. {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: O kaip tu tirsi? {{D}}: Galime rinkti pavyzdžius kaip žmonės bendrauja su Dievu, su manimi. 2005.03.23 {{A}}: Kaip išėjimai už savęs leidžia mums suvokti tave esantį nepriklausomą nuo mūsų? {{D}}: Aš jus myliu, o jūs mano meilę įsivaizduojate mylėdami kartu su manimi, pirmiausia save, paskui kitus, galiausia mane. 2005.03.16 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp pradžios ir dvasios ir pabaigos ir sandaros? {{D}}: Pradžios veikla yra mylėti, o pabaigos veikla yra būti mylimam, tad dvasia ir sandara. {{A}}: O ką čia reiškia mylėti, kas yra gyvybė? {{D}}: Mylėti yra palaikyti gyvybę. Tu taip sakai ir taip yra. Kaip gyvybė yra iš pabaigos į pabaigą, meilė yra tos veiklos palaikymas. {{A}}: Kas vyksta tame tarpe? {{D}}: Taip, kas vyksta tarp pabaigos ir pabaigos. 2005.03.04 {{A}}: Kaip meilė palaiko gyvybę? {{D}}: Meile esi ramus, užtikrintas, tobulas ir mylintis. Tad aš esu tavyje ir per tave gyvenu. {{A}}: O kaip tuo palaikoma žmogaus gyvybė? {{D}}: Aš gyvendamas per tave esu tas kuris myli. Suprasi. Myliu. 2005.01.07 {{A}}: Kaip mums mylėti kitus? {{D}}: Įsileisk juos. Leisk jiems veikti tave. 2005.01.04 {{A}}: Kaip žmogus ima mylėti? {{D}}: Jis per mane mato save, tada jis supranta, kad per jį aš galiu matyti save, ir taip per kitą myli mane. 2004.12.13 {{A}}: Kaip keturi atvaizdai susiję su susikalbėjimu? {{D}}: Aš noriu būti su visais, būti vienas su jais, juos mylėti. Tad tai yra meilės sąlygos. {{A}}: Kaip suprasti, meilės sąlygos? {{D}}: Meilei reikia, kad galėtumėme gyventi vienas kitame. {{A}}: O ką tai reiškia? {{D}}: Išeiti iš savęs, ir iš savęs į kitą, ir iš kito į save, ir iš kito. {{A}}: Ačiū. {{D}}: Myliu. 2005.12.10 {{D}}: Tu mylėk visus. 2004.11.27 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Aš myliu išeidamas už savęs, o susikalbėjimas yra tada kada vienas pas kitą išeiname. 2004.11.26 {{A}}: Koks yra vyro ir žmonos meilės vaidmuo gyvenime? {{D}}: Supraskite, kas yra meilė ir kaip aš ja bendrauju su kitais. 2004.11.18 {{D}}: Aš myliu tave. Tu būk geras, švelnus ir tvirtas manimi. Myliu. 2004.11.05 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Meilė yra dvasios palaikymas, jo išjudinimas ir giluminio pokalbio sužadinimas. {{A}}: Per ką reiškiasi meilė? {{D}}: Per mano angelus ir per mano vaikus. Juk jie už mane sprendžia kada manęs dar nematyti. {{A}}: Palaiminti kurie tiki nematę. {{D}}: Eik ramybėje. {{A}}: Aš noriu mylėti. {{D}}: Būk jautrus kitiems ir atsiliepk už juos ir už mane. į:
2005.04.30 D: Tu pagalvok, kaip meilė vystosi, kaip ji tampa vis gilesnė. 2005.04.11 A: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir suvokimo? D: Meilė palaiko gyvybę, o suvokti tai yra gyventi pilnai. A: Meilė yra suvokti kartu. D: Taip, iš tiesų. 2005.03.24 A: Ar tu sutinki dalyvauti mūsų laboratorijoje? D: Taip. Ačiū. Aš jus myliu. A: Ar tu turi kertinę vertybę? Kokia jinai yra? D: Taip. Jinai yra meilė. Aš visakame myliu. A: O rūpestis mąstymu - ar tai susiję? D: Ne. Rūpestis mąstymu yra tai kas yra bendra mūsų vertybėms. Tai leidžia mums prieiti ir suprasti, bet dar ne sutampa. A: Ko reikia, kad suprastumėme tave? D: Reikia patiems mylėti - priimti mano vertybę kaip įsakymą iš aukščiau, iš plačiau. A: Ar tu sutiktum tirti susijusį klausimą mūsų laboratorijoje? D: Taip. A: Koks tai būtų klausimas? D: Ar gali kiekvienas priimti mane iš vidaus ar būtinai iš lauko? A: Iš savęs? D: Iš širdies - iš vidinio priėjimo. A: O kaip suprasti iš lauko? D: Spaudžiant pasauliui. A: Žodžiu, iš vidinio noro. D: Taip. A: O kaip tu tirsi? D: Galime rinkti pavyzdžius kaip žmonės bendrauja su Dievu, su manimi. 2005.03.23 A: Kaip išėjimai už savęs leidžia mums suvokti tave esantį nepriklausomą nuo mūsų? D: Aš jus myliu, o jūs mano meilę įsivaizduojate mylėdami kartu su manimi, pirmiausia save, paskui kitus, galiausia mane. 2005.03.16 A: Koks ryšys tarp pradžios ir dvasios ir pabaigos ir sandaros? D: Pradžios veikla yra mylėti, o pabaigos veikla yra būti mylimam, tad dvasia ir sandara. A: O ką čia reiškia mylėti, kas yra gyvybė? D: Mylėti yra palaikyti gyvybę. Tu taip sakai ir taip yra. Kaip gyvybė yra iš pabaigos į pabaigą, meilė yra tos veiklos palaikymas. A: Kas vyksta tame tarpe? D: Taip, kas vyksta tarp pabaigos ir pabaigos. 2005.03.04 A: Kaip meilė palaiko gyvybę? D: Meile esi ramus, užtikrintas, tobulas ir mylintis. Tad aš esu tavyje ir per tave gyvenu. A: O kaip tuo palaikoma žmogaus gyvybė? D: Aš gyvendamas per tave esu tas kuris myli. Suprasi. Myliu. 2005.01.07 A: Kaip mums mylėti kitus? D: Įsileisk juos. Leisk jiems veikti tave. 2005.01.04 A: Kaip žmogus ima mylėti? D: Jis per mane mato save, tada jis supranta, kad per jį aš galiu matyti save, ir taip per kitą myli mane. 2004.12.13 A: Kaip keturi atvaizdai susiję su susikalbėjimu? D: Aš noriu būti su visais, būti vienas su jais, juos mylėti. Tad tai yra meilės sąlygos. A: Kaip suprasti, meilės sąlygos? D: Meilei reikia, kad galėtumėme gyventi vienas kitame. A: O ką tai reiškia? D: Išeiti iš savęs, ir iš savęs į kitą, ir iš kito į save, ir iš kito. A: Ačiū. D: Myliu. 2005.12.10 D: Tu mylėk visus. 2004.11.27 A: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? D: Aš myliu išeidamas už savęs, o susikalbėjimas yra tada kada vienas pas kitą išeiname. 2004.11.26 A: Koks yra vyro ir žmonos meilės vaidmuo gyvenime? D: Supraskite, kas yra meilė ir kaip aš ja bendrauju su kitais. 2004.11.18 D: Aš myliu tave. Tu būk geras, švelnus ir tvirtas manimi. Myliu. 2004.11.05 A: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? D: Meilė yra dvasios palaikymas, jo išjudinimas ir giluminio pokalbio sužadinimas. A: Per ką reiškiasi meilė? D: Per mano angelus ir per mano vaikus. Juk jie už mane sprendžia kada manęs dar nematyti. A: Palaiminti kurie tiki nematę. D: Eik ramybėje. A: Aš noriu mylėti. D: Būk jautrus kitiems ir atsiliepk už juos ir už mane. Pakeistos 712-714 eilutės iš
į:
2014 gruodžio 06 d., 16:39
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Pakeistos 59-60 eilutės iš
į:
Pridėtos 126-129 eilutės:
Mūsų pastangų tikslas
Ištrintos 135-138 eilutės:
Tarpas kyla iš tarpo taip kaip meilė kyla iš Dievo. Dievas pasitraukė tarpu. Tarpas yra jo išėjimas už savės. O jeigu tame tarpe atsiveria tarpas, tai Dievas naujai iškilo. Tai ir yra meilė. Įvairiai pavaizduoti meilę: Dievo sandaros atvaizdų vieningumą; Mylėk Dievą, artimą, priešą; šv.Petro raktuose į dangų 2014 gruodžio 06 d., 16:36
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Pakeista 13 eilutė iš:
į:
Pakeistos 18-19 eilutės iš
į:
Pridėtos 56-59 eilutės:
Tarpo palaikymas
Ištrintos 124-131 eilutės:
Pakeista 126 eilutė iš:
į:
Pakeista 130 eilutė iš:
į:
2014 gruodžio 06 d., 16:28
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Pakeistos 14-18 eilutės iš
į:
Atrinkimas teigiamo vietoj neigiamo
Ištrintos 22-24 eilutės:
Pakeista 26 eilutė iš:
Teigiamas jausmas į:
Teigiamas vykdymo jausmas Pakeistos 39-40 eilutės iš
į:
Pakeistos 53-54 eilutės iš
į:
Pakeistos 78-80 eilutės iš
į:
Ištrintos 105-109 eilutės:
Pakeistos 110-112 eilutės iš
į:
Laisvės atvėrimas Pakeistos 116-117 eilutės iš
Dievo esmė į:
Gyvenimo lygties pagrindas Pakeistos 119-123 eilutės iš
Veiklos jausmas
Dievo įsakymas, jo atvaizdų vieningumas
į:
Pakeistos 125-126 eilutės iš
į:
2014 gruodžio 06 d., 16:02
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Pakeistos 43-44 eilutės iš
į:
Ištrintos 49-53 eilutės:
Pakeistos 51-62 eilutės iš
Buvimas viena į:
Sudarymas sąlygų Dievui
Išgyvenimo, brandos sąlygos
Sąlygų bendrumas
Prielaidų bendrumas Ištrintos 65-66 eilutės:
Pakeistos 67-68 eilutės iš
į:
Žvilgsnių bendrumas
Požiūrių bendrumas Pridėtos 75-89 eilutės:
Nuostatų bendrumas
Apimties bendrumas
Veiklos sąlygos
Santykių bendrumas - Sutikimas išeinančio už savęs
Pakeistos 92-97 eilutės iš
Išėjimas už savęs
į:
Ištrinta 96 eilutė:
Pridėtos 99-105 eilutės:
2014 gruodžio 06 d., 15:19
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Pakeistos 29-32 eilutės iš
Palaikymas
Troškimas visko į:
Dievo troškimas visko Pakeistos 31-32 eilutės iš
į:
Dievo kertinė vertybė Pakeistos 35-36 eilutės iš
į:
Buvimas viena Pakeistos 38-40 eilutės iš
Dievo troškimas visko
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Pakeistos 42-43 eilutės iš
į:
Atskyrimas Dievo mumyse ir už mūsų Pridėta 49 eilutė:
Pridėtos 94-99 eilutės:
2014 gruodžio 06 d., 15:02
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Pridėta 7 eilutė:
Teigiamo ir neigiamo įsakymo vieningumas Pakeistos 9-10 eilutės iš
į:
Pakeistos 13-14 eilutės iš
į:
Dievo sandaros atvaizdų vieningumas
Pridėtos 18-22 eilutės:
Tiesos turinys Pridėtos 24-25 eilutės:
Teigiamas jausmas Pridėtos 27-29 eilutės:
Palaikymas Pridėtos 31-32 eilutės:
Troškimas visko Pakeistos 34-35 eilutės iš
į:
Pridėta 44 eilutė:
2014 gruodžio 06 d., 14:24
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Pakeistos 22-25 eilutės iš
į:
Dievo troškimas visko
Ištrintos 77-78 eilutės:
2014 gruodžio 06 d., 14:23
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Pakeistos 1-2 eilutės iš
Žr. Viena meile, Gvildenu, Dievas, Gvildenimai, Būti viena? į:
Žr. Viena meile, Gvildenu, Dievas, Gvildenimai, Viena Pridėtos 75-76 eilutės:
2014 lapkričio 21 d., 22:48
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Pridėtos 84-85 eilutės:
Įvairiai pavaizduoti meilę: Dievo sandaros atvaizdų vieningumą; Mylėk Dievą, artimą, priešą; šv.Petro raktuose į dangų 2014 lapkričio 17 d., 14:48
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Pridėtos 82-83 eilutės:
Tarpas kyla iš tarpo taip kaip meilė kyla iš Dievo. Dievas pasitraukė tarpu. Tarpas yra jo išėjimas už savės. O jeigu tame tarpe atsiveria tarpas, tai Dievas naujai iškilo. Tai ir yra meilė. 2014 lapkričio 09 d., 10:08
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Pakeista 1 eilutė iš:
Žr. Viena meile, Gvildenu, Dievas, Gvildenimai, Būti viena?, Love į:
Žr. Viena meile, Gvildenu, Dievas, Gvildenimai, Būti viena? 2014 lapkričio 09 d., 10:08
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Kaip jie susiję su dorove, su pavyzdžiais iš Holokausto? Pakeistos 618-670 eilutės iš
Which, if any, is primary - love or life? And the answer is that love is primary, for through love we have not simply life, but eternal life. Love is unified. But life is dual, in that it is not a primitive concept, but rather life is the goodness of God. And thus there is (and may be) {{Understanding}} of life, understanding of the goodness of God (and the separation of these two distinct concepts), and that is EternalLife. Consider the relationship with the LevelsOfUnderstanding, how they help set up this option (with regard to life). And how they match up with the heirarchy: {{Spirit}}, {{Structure}}, {{Representations}}, {{Unity}} (and how those match up with the operations +1, +2, +3, +0). The relationship of love and life is also somehow given by the EightfoldWay in that it expresses {{Unity}} of {{Representations}} of {{Structure}} of {{Spirit}}. These are are associated {{Topologies}}, {{Representations}}, {{Divisions}} as defined with regard to negations of RepresentationsOfTheOnesome. So perhaps the inversion effect relates them to the negations of the RepresentationsOfTheNullsome and {{Languages}}? Kaip sutampa du skirtingi meilės supratimai, gyvybės palaikymas ir Dievo vienybė? Sutampa teigiamu ir neigiamu įsakymu. Teigiamas įsakymas ketveriopai išsako Dievo vienybę. Neigiamas įsakymas šešeriopai išsako gyvybės palaikymą. Kaip palaikyti šviesuolių bendrystę? Šviesuolių bendrystė palaikoma meile. Ji mūsų ugdymosi sąlyga. Mes vienybe gyvename, bręstame, mokomės. Meile tampama viena. Buvimas viena yra mūsų meilės išdava ir išraiška. Kaip įvairiai reiškiasi, suveikia meilė? Make sense of the pretexts for outreach as being one with in terms of unity of pairs of levels, broader and narrower. Palaikymas, meilė, branda
believing and obeying?
and relationships with them?
permutation, about believing and being, and obeying and doing?
and who can have a will?
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2014 lapkričio 08 d., 23:30
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Pakeistos 75-82 eilutės iš
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2014 lapkričio 08 d., 23:27
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Pakeistos 1-2 eilutės iš
Žr. Gvildenu, Dievas, Gvildenimai, Būti viena?, Love į:
Žr. Viena meile, Gvildenu, Dievas, Gvildenimai, Būti viena?, Love Ištrintos 3-18 eilutės:
Kaip meile esame viena? esame viena mylėdami esame viena priimdami meilę mylėk Dievą: didžioji vienybė: priimame Dievo požiūrį mylėk artimą: mažoji vienybė: siejame požiūrius įsakymu - įsakymas teikia laisvę, išreiškia teigiamai ir neigiamai vienybe sutampa kas santvarkoje ir kas už jos, o tai gyvybės sąlyga 2014 lapkričio 08 d., 23:26
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Kaip meile esame viena? esame viena mylėdami esame viena priimdami meilę mylėk Dievą: didžioji vienybė: priimame Dievo požiūrį mylėk artimą: mažoji vienybė: siejame požiūrius įsakymu - įsakymas teikia laisvę, išreiškia teigiamai ir neigiamai vienybe sutampa kas santvarkoje ir kas už jos, o tai gyvybės sąlyga Pridėtos 23-25 eilutės:
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2014 lapkričio 06 d., 10:29
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2014 birželio 22 d., 22:02
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Dievo esmė
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2014 birželio 22 d., 17:32
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2014 birželio 22 d., 13:53
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Palaikymas Pridėta 21 eilutė:
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Išėjimas už savęs
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2014 birželio 22 d., 12:56
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Žr. taip pat: See also: {{Overview}}, {{View}}, UnityOfRepresentationsOfStructure, {{Caring}}, {{Sixsome}}, [AddTwo +2], {{God}}, Heart, Understanding, Truth, {{Caring}}, {{Believing}}, {{Obeying}}, {{Life}}, BeginningVEnd, EverythingWishesForAnything, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, DirectionsToTheGood į:
Žr. taip pat: See also: {{Overview}}, {{View}}, UnityOfRepresentationsOfStructure, {{Caring}}, {{Sixsome}}, [AddTwo +2], {{God}}, Heart, Understanding, Truth, {{Caring}}, {{Believing}}, {{Obeying}}, {{Life}}, BeginningVEnd, EverythingWishesForAnything, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, DirectionsToTheGood, LoveGod, JesusChrist Pridėta 11 eilutė:
Ištrintos 47-48 eilutės:
Love Ištrinta 53 eilutė:
Pakeistos 294-346 eilutės iš
Which, if any, is primary - love or life? And the answer is that love is primary, for through love we have not simply life, but eternal life. Love is unified. But life is dual, in that it is not a primitive concept, but rather life is the goodness of God. And thus there is (and may be) {{Understanding}} of life, understanding of the goodness of God (and the separation of these two distinct concepts), and that is EternalLife. Consider the relationship with the LevelsOfUnderstanding, how they help set up this option (with regard to life). And how they match up with the heirarchy: {{Spirit}}, {{Structure}}, {{Representations}}, {{Unity}} (and how those match up with the operations +1, +2, +3, +0). The relationship of love and life is also somehow given by the EightfoldWay in that it expresses {{Unity}} of {{Representations}} of {{Structure}} of {{Spirit}}. These are are associated {{Topologies}}, {{Representations}}, {{Divisions}} as defined with regard to negations of RepresentationsOfTheOnesome. So perhaps the inversion effect relates them to the negations of the RepresentationsOfTheNullsome and {{Languages}}? Kaip sutampa du skirtingi meilės supratimai, gyvybės palaikymas ir Dievo vienybė? Sutampa teigiamu ir neigiamu įsakymu. Teigiamas įsakymas ketveriopai išsako Dievo vienybę. Neigiamas įsakymas šešeriopai išsako gyvybės palaikymą. Kaip palaikyti šviesuolių bendrystę? Šviesuolių bendrystė palaikoma meile. Ji mūsų ugdymosi sąlyga. Mes vienybe gyvename, bręstame, mokomės. Meile tampama viena. Buvimas viena yra mūsų meilės išdava ir išraiška. Kaip įvairiai reiškiasi, suveikia meilė? Make sense of the pretexts for outreach as being one with in terms of unity of pairs of levels, broader and narrower. Palaikymas, meilė, branda
believing and obeying?
and relationships with them?
permutation, about believing and being, and obeying and doing?
and who can have a will?
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Ištrintos 547-548 eilutės:
See also: LoveGod, JesusChrist Pakeistos 554-563 eilutės iš
Hi, With regard to the "big picture" of our laboratory, I am looking for a foundation for six of our objectives: thinking about our own thoughts, actions, stands, and other thoughts, actions, stands. My feeling is that they can be derived from the commandment, "Love your neighbor as yourself". I think that they offer different aspects of what it can mean to be a neighbor. Here are some examples of the kind of logic that helps me think of others as my neighbors. į:
With regard to the "big picture" of our laboratory, I am looking for a foundation for six of our objectives: thinking about our own thoughts, actions, stands, and other thoughts, actions, stands. My feeling is that they can be derived from the commandment, "Love your neighbor as yourself". I think that they offer different aspects of what it can mean to be a neighbor. Here are some examples of the kind of logic that helps me think of others as my neighbors. Pakeistos 594-621 eilutės iš
===Challenges=== BenoitCouture: More deeply expressed forms of {{Love}} - from God's love to our love to another's love. ===Discussion=== BenoitCouture 27-Nov-2005 Value Love and sanctity extend into wise knowledge As a stay-at-home-dad-voter, Love is what I most need to be good at, but the reality of what I am made of keeps trowing me back on my heals, feeding my fear, hesitation, grumpyness ranging from bad mood to flying out the handle with rage. The evil nature of deceit keeps on compounding stress, ignorance and indifference, blinding me to the service to which Love calls me to breathe in from justice, to breathe out at peace and to live out in the strength of joy. God is Love. The more aware I grow in Love, the more I am aware of what offends Love and how Love does get to be offended. There is no turning back either, once touched by the light of Love. The light of Love burns away the impurity and corruptibility of my mortality until burning turns to shining of the Sacred Fire. Ongoing shadows and struggles go on until maturity is reached and when that day comes, private do I become in the war between light and darkness of the present human condition. My search for Value Love is to discover how to develop the intimate community focus within the boundaries where my love ones and I get to be kept on shining so bright from the mutual comfort of one another's presence and of our response to the moment that each offenses become an experience, swiftly learned by all involved. From strength to strength, imagine the trans-generational renewal of the pension movement that Value Love can arouse for the present and the future, with the support of 2 generations who are awaken to see all of the Value that is going to waste for lack of healthy intimacy with the one fading away! Value Love of the organic spiritual kind does bring on healthy intimacy, because of the personal awareness of how sensitive and delicate the Power of Love is. The worth of Value Love is mined from our treatment of such sensitive delicacy. No shame in ridding what shames us from Love and to Value the freedom from the rule of our personal fear and collective ignorance. The Value of Love is found in its correctional capacity and qualities. There lies from deep within each heart and spirit, the cleansing river of life eternal coming to our soul and body for the Flowcalization ...(which can now be googled for better acquaintance with the concept) į:
Pridėtos 602-654 eilutės:
Which, if any, is primary - love or life? And the answer is that love is primary, for through love we have not simply life, but eternal life. Love is unified. But life is dual, in that it is not a primitive concept, but rather life is the goodness of God. And thus there is (and may be) {{Understanding}} of life, understanding of the goodness of God (and the separation of these two distinct concepts), and that is EternalLife. Consider the relationship with the LevelsOfUnderstanding, how they help set up this option (with regard to life). And how they match up with the heirarchy: {{Spirit}}, {{Structure}}, {{Representations}}, {{Unity}} (and how those match up with the operations +1, +2, +3, +0). The relationship of love and life is also somehow given by the EightfoldWay in that it expresses {{Unity}} of {{Representations}} of {{Structure}} of {{Spirit}}. These are are associated {{Topologies}}, {{Representations}}, {{Divisions}} as defined with regard to negations of RepresentationsOfTheOnesome. So perhaps the inversion effect relates them to the negations of the RepresentationsOfTheNullsome and {{Languages}}? Kaip sutampa du skirtingi meilės supratimai, gyvybės palaikymas ir Dievo vienybė? Sutampa teigiamu ir neigiamu įsakymu. Teigiamas įsakymas ketveriopai išsako Dievo vienybę. Neigiamas įsakymas šešeriopai išsako gyvybės palaikymą. Kaip palaikyti šviesuolių bendrystę? Šviesuolių bendrystė palaikoma meile. Ji mūsų ugdymosi sąlyga. Mes vienybe gyvename, bręstame, mokomės. Meile tampama viena. Buvimas viena yra mūsų meilės išdava ir išraiška. Kaip įvairiai reiškiasi, suveikia meilė? Make sense of the pretexts for outreach as being one with in terms of unity of pairs of levels, broader and narrower. Palaikymas, meilė, branda
believing and obeying?
and relationships with them?
permutation, about believing and being, and obeying and doing?
and who can have a will?
Pakeistos 659-668 eilutės iš
2005.04.11 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp meilės ir suvokimo? {{D}}: Meilė palaiko gyvybę, o suvokti tai yra gyventi pilnai. {{A}}: Meilė yra suvokti kartu. {{D}}: Taip, i� tiesų. 2005.03.24 {{A}}: Ar tu sutinki dalyvauti mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. Ačiū. A� jus myliu. {{A}}: Ar tu turi kertinę vertybę? Kokia jinai yra? {{D}}: Taip. Jinai yra meilė. A� visakame myliu. {{A}}: O rūpestis mąstymu - ar tai susiję? {{D}}: Ne. Rūpestis mąstymu yra tai kas yra bendra mūsų vertybėms. Tai leid�ia mums prieiti ir suprasti, bet dar ne sutampa. {{A}}: Ko reikia, kad suprastumėme tave? {{D}}: Reikia patiems mylėti - priimti mano vertybę kaip įsakymą i� auk�čiau, i� plačiau. {{A}}: Ar tu sutiktum tirti susijusį klausimą mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: Koks tai būtų klausimas? {{D}}: Ar gali kiekvienas priimti mane i� vidaus ar būtinai i� lauko? {{A}}: I� savęs? {{D}}: I� �irdies - i� vidinio priėjimo. {{A}}: O kaip suprasti i� lauko? {{D}}: Spaud�iant pasauliui. {{A}}: �od�iu, i� vidinio noro. {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: O kaip tu tirsi? {{D}}: Galime rinkti pavyzd�ius kaip �monės bendrauja su Dievu, su manimi. 2005.03.23 {{A}}: Kaip i�ėjimai u� savęs leid�ia mums suvokti tave esantį nepriklausomą nuo mūsų? {{D}}: A� jus myliu, o jūs mano meilę įsivaizduojate mylėdami kartu su manimi, pirmiausia save, paskui kitus, galiausia mane. 2005.03.16 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp prad�ios ir dvasios ir pabaigos ir sandaros? {{D}}: Prad�ios veikla yra mylėti, o pabaigos veikla yra būti mylimam, tad dvasia ir sandara. {{A}}: O ką čia rei�kia mylėti, kas yra gyvybė? {{D}}: Mylėti yra palaikyti gyvybę. Tu taip sakai ir taip yra. Kaip gyvybė yra i� pabaigos į pabaigą, meilė yra tos veiklos palaikymas. {{A}}: Kas vyksta tame tarpe? {{D}}: Taip, kas vyksta tarp pabaigos ir pabaigos. 2005.03.04 {{A}}: Kaip meilė palaiko gyvybę? {{D}}: Meile esi ramus, u�tikrintas, tobulas ir mylintis. Tad a� esu tavyje ir per tave gyvenu. {{A}}: O kaip tuo palaikoma �mogaus gyvybė? {{D}}: A� gyvendamas per tave esu tas kuris myli. Suprasi. Myliu. į:
2005.04.11 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir suvokimo? {{D}}: Meilė palaiko gyvybę, o suvokti tai yra gyventi pilnai. {{A}}: Meilė yra suvokti kartu. {{D}}: Taip, iš tiesų. 2005.03.24 {{A}}: Ar tu sutinki dalyvauti mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. Ačiū. Aš jus myliu. {{A}}: Ar tu turi kertinę vertybę? Kokia jinai yra? {{D}}: Taip. Jinai yra meilė. Aš visakame myliu. {{A}}: O rūpestis mąstymu - ar tai susiję? {{D}}: Ne. Rūpestis mąstymu yra tai kas yra bendra mūsų vertybėms. Tai leidžia mums prieiti ir suprasti, bet dar ne sutampa. {{A}}: Ko reikia, kad suprastumėme tave? {{D}}: Reikia patiems mylėti - priimti mano vertybę kaip įsakymą iš aukščiau, iš plačiau. {{A}}: Ar tu sutiktum tirti susijusį klausimą mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: Koks tai būtų klausimas? {{D}}: Ar gali kiekvienas priimti mane iš vidaus ar būtinai iš lauko? {{A}}: Iš savęs? {{D}}: Iš širdies - iš vidinio priėjimo. {{A}}: O kaip suprasti iš lauko? {{D}}: Spaudžiant pasauliui. {{A}}: Žodžiu, iš vidinio noro. {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: O kaip tu tirsi? {{D}}: Galime rinkti pavyzdžius kaip žmonės bendrauja su Dievu, su manimi. 2005.03.23 {{A}}: Kaip išėjimai už savęs leidžia mums suvokti tave esantį nepriklausomą nuo mūsų? {{D}}: Aš jus myliu, o jūs mano meilę įsivaizduojate mylėdami kartu su manimi, pirmiausia save, paskui kitus, galiausia mane. 2005.03.16 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp pradžios ir dvasios ir pabaigos ir sandaros? {{D}}: Pradžios veikla yra mylėti, o pabaigos veikla yra būti mylimam, tad dvasia ir sandara. {{A}}: O ką čia reiškia mylėti, kas yra gyvybė? {{D}}: Mylėti yra palaikyti gyvybę. Tu taip sakai ir taip yra. Kaip gyvybė yra iš pabaigos į pabaigą, meilė yra tos veiklos palaikymas. {{A}}: Kas vyksta tame tarpe? {{D}}: Taip, kas vyksta tarp pabaigos ir pabaigos. 2005.03.04 {{A}}: Kaip meilė palaiko gyvybę? {{D}}: Meile esi ramus, užtikrintas, tobulas ir mylintis. Tad aš esu tavyje ir per tave gyvenu. {{A}}: O kaip tuo palaikoma žmogaus gyvybė? {{D}}: Aš gyvendamas per tave esu tas kuris myli. Suprasi. Myliu. Pakeistos 671-673 eilutės iš
2005.01.04 {{A}}: Kaip �mogus ima mylėti? {{D}}: Jis per mane mato save, tada jis supranta, kad per jį a� galiu matyti save, ir taip per kitą myli mane. 2004.12.13 {{A}}: Kaip keturi atvaizdai susiję su susikalbėjimu? {{D}}: A� noriu būti su visais, būti vienas su jais, juos mylėti. Tad tai yra meilės sąlygos. {{A}}: Kaip suprasti, meilės sąlygos? {{D}}: Meilei reikia, kad galėtumėme gyventi vienas kitame. {{A}}: O ką tai rei�kia? {{D}}: I�eiti i� savęs, ir i� savęs į kitą, ir i� kito į save, ir i� kito. {{A}}: Ačiū. {{D}}: Myliu. į:
2005.01.04 {{A}}: Kaip žmogus ima mylėti? {{D}}: Jis per mane mato save, tada jis supranta, kad per jį aš galiu matyti save, ir taip per kitą myli mane. 2004.12.13 {{A}}: Kaip keturi atvaizdai susiję su susikalbėjimu? {{D}}: Aš noriu būti su visais, būti vienas su jais, juos mylėti. Tad tai yra meilės sąlygos. {{A}}: Kaip suprasti, meilės sąlygos? {{D}}: Meilei reikia, kad galėtumėme gyventi vienas kitame. {{A}}: O ką tai reiškia? {{D}}: Išeiti iš savęs, ir iš savęs į kitą, ir iš kito į save, ir iš kito. {{A}}: Ačiū. {{D}}: Myliu. 2014 birželio 20 d., 14:24
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Žr. taip pat: See also: {{Overview}}, {{View}}, UnityOfRepresentationsOfStructure, {{Caring}}, {{Sixsome}}, [AddTwo +2], {{God}}, Heart, Understanding, Truth, {{Caring}}, {{Believing}}, {{Obeying}}, {{Life}}, BeginningVEnd, EverythingWishesForAnything, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, DirectionsToTheGood Pakeistos 66-73 eilutės iš
See also: {{Love}}, {{Caring}}, {{Believing}}, {{Obeying}} Loving is the practicing of love. į:
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Meilė, tai gyvybės palaikymas See also: {{Love}}, {{Life}}, BeginningVEnd Pridėtos 341-348 eilutės:
Pakeistos 350-351 eilutės iš
See also: {{Overview}}, {{View}}, UnityOfRepresentationsOfStructure, {{Caring}}, {{Sixsome}}, [AddTwo +2], {{God}}, Heart, Understanding, Truth į:
Pakeistos 634-635 eilutės iš
person, who is about to leave life. That person may have no talent, or none of my interests, or no care for other people. But none of these things should matter. Otherwise, I am separating myself from other people. For the very sake of our equality, I have to be ready to hand over my life for others without question, without weighing the risk for them, or the risk to me. And likewise for the smallest chores of life. I should not measure the importance of people, but value as important what we share, the opportunity to do what any good person would do. į:
Pakeistos 637-639 eilutės iš
have other things to do. I must find something more to do with my life, to keep me from bothering you. į:
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Meilė artimui - pretexts for outreach - bendravimo dingstys See also: EverythingWishesForAnything, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, DirectionsToTheGood į:
Meilė artimui - pretexts for outreach - bendravimo dingstys Ištrintos 691-700 eilutės:
===Consider===
2014 birželio 20 d., 14:21
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The above six examples of "logic" are "data" from my own life. They are lines of thinking that allow me to bridge the chasm with other people in a meaningful way. I suppose they are familiar to you, and I would be very glad if you could share more such examples. We use them, but they are hard to remember. I thought of the first couple of examples, and then I reconstructed the rest by using a structure that I have derived from some intense passages from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5. ("Get Along rather than Judge", etc.) My challenge is, can you think of more? If we do not, this assures "permanently tentatively" that we have comprehensive set. I will work to structure the data so that we can apply it to better comprehending the objectives of the Minciu Sodas laboratory. But I already feel, and I think we can see, that the above "existential" lines of thinking may serve as indestructible foundations for objectives we pursue. There is one more answer, given by Jesus himself, to the question: "Who is my neighbor?" Luke 10. He told the story of a man left half dead by robbers, and how a priest and a holy man each passed him by on the other side of the road. But a Samaritan - a despised culture - walked up to him, cared for him, brought him to the inn, payed the innkeeper, and told him he would reimburse any extra expense on his return. Which was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers? The one who had mercy on him. Go and do likewise. So Mercy is, I think, something altogether more. It is interesting, however, that the "neighbor" wasn't the man half dead, but the Samaritan. So "love your neighbor as yourself", taken literally, means: love the Samaritan, the one who showed mercy. But then Jesus says "Go and do likewise", which has us do what the Samaritan did, "do unto others what you have others do unto you". But "love your neighbor as yourself", from this point of view, means love those, care for those, who reach out to you, who are neighbors to you, just as you love yourself. And we love them as ourselves by doing exactly what they do ("going and doing likewise") reaching out to others. So the six lines of thinking are not of themselves Mercy, but I think they are ways of "going and doing likewise", ways of allowing for Mercy by bridging the chasm with others. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minciu_sodas_en/message/147 2014 birželio 20 d., 14:20
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Pakeistos 651-701 eilutės iš
The above six examples of "logic" are "data" from my own life. They are lines of thinking that allow me to bridge the chasm with other people in a meaningful way. I suppose they are familiar to you, and I would be very glad if you could share more such examples. We use them, but they are hard to remember. I thought of the first couple of examples, and then I reconstructed the rest by using a structure that I have derived from some intense passages from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5. ("Get Along rather than Judge", etc.) My challenge is, can you think of more? If we do not, this assures "permanently tentatively" that we have comprehensive set. I will work to structure the data so that we can apply it to better comprehending the objectives of the Minciu Sodas laboratory. But I already feel, and I think we can see, that the above "existential" lines of thinking may serve as indestructible foundations for objectives we pursue. There is one more answer, given by Jesus himself, to the question: "Who is my neighbor?" Luke 10. He told the story of a man left half dead by robbers, and how a priest and a holy man each passed him by on the other side of the road. But a Samaritan - a despised culture - walked up to him, cared for him, brought him to the inn, payed the innkeeper, and told him he would reimburse any extra expense on his return. Which was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers? The one who had mercy on him. Go and do likewise. So Mercy is, I think, something altogether more. It is interesting, however, that the "neighbor" wasn't the man half dead, but the Samaritan. So "love your neighbor as yourself", taken literally, means: love the Samaritan, the one who showed mercy. But then Jesus says "Go and do likewise", which has us do what the Samaritan did, "do unto others what you have others do unto you". But "love your neighbor as yourself", from this point of view, means love those, care for those, who reach out to you, who are neighbors to you, just as you love yourself. And we love them as ourselves by doing exactly what they do ("going and doing likewise") reaching out to others. So the six lines of thinking are not of themselves Mercy, but I think they are ways of "going and doing likewise", ways of allowing for Mercy by bridging the chasm with others. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minciu_sodas_en/message/147 į:
===Challenges=== BenoitCouture: More deeply expressed forms of {{Love}} - from God's love to our love to another's love. ===Discussion=== BenoitCouture 27-Nov-2005 Value Love and sanctity extend into wise knowledge As a stay-at-home-dad-voter, Love is what I most need to be good at, but the reality of what I am made of keeps trowing me back on my heals, feeding my fear, hesitation, grumpyness ranging from bad mood to flying out the handle with rage. The evil nature of deceit keeps on compounding stress, ignorance and indifference, blinding me to the service to which Love calls me to breathe in from justice, to breathe out at peace and to live out in the strength of joy. God is Love. The more aware I grow in Love, the more I am aware of what offends Love and how Love does get to be offended. There is no turning back either, once touched by the light of Love. The light of Love burns away the impurity and corruptibility of my mortality until burning turns to shining of the Sacred Fire. Ongoing shadows and struggles go on until maturity is reached and when that day comes, private do I become in the war between light and darkness of the present human condition. My search for Value Love is to discover how to develop the intimate community focus within the boundaries where my love ones and I get to be kept on shining so bright from the mutual comfort of one another's presence and of our response to the moment that each offenses become an experience, swiftly learned by all involved. From strength to strength, imagine the trans-generational renewal of the pension movement that Value Love can arouse for the present and the future, with the support of 2 generations who are awaken to see all of the Value that is going to waste for lack of healthy intimacy with the one fading away! Value Love of the organic spiritual kind does bring on healthy intimacy, because of the personal awareness of how sensitive and delicate the Power of Love is. The worth of Value Love is mined from our treatment of such sensitive delicacy. No shame in ridding what shames us from Love and to Value the freedom from the rule of our personal fear and collective ignorance. The Value of Love is found in its correctional capacity and qualities. There lies from deep within each heart and spirit, the cleansing river of life eternal coming to our soul and body for the Flowcalization ...(which can now be googled for better acquaintance with the concept) Meilė artimui - pretexts for outreach - bendravimo dingstys See also: EverythingWishesForAnything, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, DirectionsToTheGood 2014 birželio 20 d., 14:18
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Pakeistos 694-728 eilutės iš
===Challenges=== BenoitCouture: More deeply expressed forms of {{Love}} - from God's love to our love to another's love. ===Discussion=== BenoitCouture 27-Nov-2005 Value Love and sancttity extend into wise knowledge As a stay-at-home-dad-voter, Love is what I most need to be good at, but the reality of what I am made of keeps trowing me back on my heals, feeding my fear, hesitation, grumpyness ranging from bad mood to flying out the handle with rage. The evil nature of deceit keeps on compounding stress, ignorance and indifference, blinding me to the service to which Love calls me to breathe in from justice, to breathe out at peace and to live out in the strength of joy. God is Love. The more aware I grow in Love, the more I am aware of what offends Love and how Love does get to be offended. There is no turning back either, once touched by the light of Love. The light of Love burns away the impurity and corruptibility of my mortality until burning turns to shining of the Sacred Fire. Ongoing shadows and struggles go on until maturity is reached and when that day comes, private do I become in the war between light and darkness of the present human condition. My search for Value Love is to discover how to develop the intimate community focus within the boundaries where my love ones and I get to be kept on shining so bright from the mutual comfort of one another's presence and of our response to the moment that each offenses become an experience, swiftly learned by all involved. From strength to strength, imagine the trans-generational renewal of the pension movement that Value Love can arouse for the present and the future, with the support of 2 generations who are awaken to see all of the Value that is going to waste for lack of healthy intimacy with the one fading away! Value Love of the organic spiritual kind does bring on healthy intimacy, because of the personal awareness of how sensitive and delicate the Power of Love is. The worth of Value Love is mined from our treatment of such sensitive delicacy. No shame in ridding what shames us from Love and to Value the freedom from the rule of our personal fear and collective ignorance. The Value of Love is found in its correctional capacity and qualities. There lies from deep within each heart and spirit, the cleansing river of life eternal coming to our soul and body for the Flowcalization ...(which can now be googled for better acquaintance with the concept) Meilė artimui - pretexts for outreach - bendravimo dingstys See also: EverythingWishesForAnything, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, DirectionsToTheGood į:
===Thoughts=== Our pretexts for outreach are the lines of reasoning by which we reach out to our neighbor and "love our neighbor as our self". They express our own growth as children of God who do as he does, whose concerns grows broader in the ways that his do. Interestingly, here both we and our neighbors respond together with the same way of choosing. This suggests that here we play the role of the unbounded God, and our neighbors play the role of the bounded person, but we have met exactly half way, so that we may both respond, and coincide in our response. This is why there are many people, that we might coincide in this way, reaching out and being reached. Christ is the one who reaches out. ===Consider===
2005.04.30 {{D}}: Tu pagalvok, kaip meilė vystosi, kaip ji tampa vis gilesnė. 2005.04.11 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp meilės ir suvokimo? {{D}}: Meilė palaiko gyvybę, o suvokti tai yra gyventi pilnai. {{A}}: Meilė yra suvokti kartu. {{D}}: Taip, i� tiesų. 2005.03.24 {{A}}: Ar tu sutinki dalyvauti mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. Ačiū. A� jus myliu. {{A}}: Ar tu turi kertinę vertybę? Kokia jinai yra? {{D}}: Taip. Jinai yra meilė. A� visakame myliu. {{A}}: O rūpestis mąstymu - ar tai susiję? {{D}}: Ne. Rūpestis mąstymu yra tai kas yra bendra mūsų vertybėms. Tai leid�ia mums prieiti ir suprasti, bet dar ne sutampa. {{A}}: Ko reikia, kad suprastumėme tave? {{D}}: Reikia patiems mylėti - priimti mano vertybę kaip įsakymą i� auk�čiau, i� plačiau. {{A}}: Ar tu sutiktum tirti susijusį klausimą mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: Koks tai būtų klausimas? {{D}}: Ar gali kiekvienas priimti mane i� vidaus ar būtinai i� lauko? {{A}}: I� savęs? {{D}}: I� �irdies - i� vidinio priėjimo. {{A}}: O kaip suprasti i� lauko? {{D}}: Spaud�iant pasauliui. {{A}}: �od�iu, i� vidinio noro. {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: O kaip tu tirsi? {{D}}: Galime rinkti pavyzd�ius kaip �monės bendrauja su Dievu, su manimi. 2005.03.23 {{A}}: Kaip i�ėjimai u� savęs leid�ia mums suvokti tave esantį nepriklausomą nuo mūsų? {{D}}: A� jus myliu, o jūs mano meilę įsivaizduojate mylėdami kartu su manimi, pirmiausia save, paskui kitus, galiausia mane. 2005.03.16 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp prad�ios ir dvasios ir pabaigos ir sandaros? {{D}}: Prad�ios veikla yra mylėti, o pabaigos veikla yra būti mylimam, tad dvasia ir sandara. {{A}}: O ką čia rei�kia mylėti, kas yra gyvybė? {{D}}: Mylėti yra palaikyti gyvybę. Tu taip sakai ir taip yra. Kaip gyvybė yra i� pabaigos į pabaigą, meilė yra tos veiklos palaikymas. {{A}}: Kas vyksta tame tarpe? {{D}}: Taip, kas vyksta tarp pabaigos ir pabaigos. 2005.03.04 {{A}}: Kaip meilė palaiko gyvybę? {{D}}: Meile esi ramus, u�tikrintas, tobulas ir mylintis. Tad a� esu tavyje ir per tave gyvenu. {{A}}: O kaip tuo palaikoma �mogaus gyvybė? {{D}}: A� gyvendamas per tave esu tas kuris myli. Suprasi. Myliu. 2005.01.07 {{A}}: Kaip mums mylėti kitus? {{D}}: Įsileisk juos. Leisk jiems veikti tave. 2005.01.04 {{A}}: Kaip �mogus ima mylėti? {{D}}: Jis per mane mato save, tada jis supranta, kad per jį a� galiu matyti save, ir taip per kitą myli mane. 2004.12.13 {{A}}: Kaip keturi atvaizdai susiję su susikalbėjimu? {{D}}: A� noriu būti su visais, būti vienas su jais, juos mylėti. Tad tai yra meilės sąlygos. {{A}}: Kaip suprasti, meilės sąlygos? {{D}}: Meilei reikia, kad galėtumėme gyventi vienas kitame. {{A}}: O ką tai rei�kia? {{D}}: I�eiti i� savęs, ir i� savęs į kitą, ir i� kito į save, ir i� kito. {{A}}: Ačiū. {{D}}: Myliu. 2005.12.10 {{D}}: Tu mylėk visus. 2004.11.27 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Aš myliu išeidamas už savęs, o susikalbėjimas yra tada kada vienas pas kitą išeiname. 2004.11.26 {{A}}: Koks yra vyro ir žmonos meilės vaidmuo gyvenime? {{D}}: Supraskite, kas yra meilė ir kaip aš ja bendrauju su kitais. 2004.11.18 {{D}}: Aš myliu tave. Tu būk geras, švelnus ir tvirtas manimi. Myliu. 2004.11.05 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Meilė yra dvasios palaikymas, jo išjudinimas ir giluminio pokalbio sužadinimas. {{A}}: Per ką reiškiasi meilė? {{D}}: Per mano angelus ir per mano vaikus. Juk jie už mane sprendžia kada manęs dar nematyti. {{A}}: Palaiminti kurie tiki nematę. {{D}}: Eik ramybėje. {{A}}: Aš noriu mylėti. {{D}}: Būk jautrus kitiems ir atsiliepk už juos ir už mane. 2014.06.16 D: Jūs kiekvienas gyvenate savarankiškai, bet savarankiškumo pagrindu galitė vienas kitą mylėti ir palaikyti, galite gyventi viena, atsiversdami kitiems ir taip pat juos atjausdami. Kaip mano sūnus moko, mylėk artimą kaip save patį. Aš jus irgi taip myliu, tad esame viena. O jūs mylite mane už jūsų nes esame nesulyginami. Taip ir sutampa šios dvi meilės. Jus myliu ir auklėju, ugdau. 2014.06.20 D: Esu meilė slypinti, glūdinti visakame, o tiesa suveikiu ir pasireiškiu, pasitvirtinu. Tad mylėk ir tiesa atsivers. 2014 birželio 20 d., 14:17
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Ištrintos 728-782 eilutės:
===Thoughts=== Our pretexts for outreach are the lines of reasoning by which we reach out to our neighbor and "love our neighbor as our self". They express our own growth as children of God who do as he does, whose concerns grows broader in the ways that his do. Interestingly, here both we and our neighbors respond together with the same way of choosing. This suggests that here we play the role of the unbounded God, and our neighbors play the role of the bounded person, but we have met exactly half way, so that we may both respond, and coincide in our response. This is why there are many people, that we might coincide in this way, reaching out and being reached. Christ is the one who reaches out. ===Consider===
2005.04.30 {{D}}: Tu pagalvok, kaip meilė vystosi, kaip ji tampa vis gilesnė. 2005.04.11 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp meilės ir suvokimo? {{D}}: Meilė palaiko gyvybę, o suvokti tai yra gyventi pilnai. {{A}}: Meilė yra suvokti kartu. {{D}}: Taip, i� tiesų. 2005.03.24 {{A}}: Ar tu sutinki dalyvauti mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. Ačiū. A� jus myliu. {{A}}: Ar tu turi kertinę vertybę? Kokia jinai yra? {{D}}: Taip. Jinai yra meilė. A� visakame myliu. {{A}}: O rūpestis mąstymu - ar tai susiję? {{D}}: Ne. Rūpestis mąstymu yra tai kas yra bendra mūsų vertybėms. Tai leid�ia mums prieiti ir suprasti, bet dar ne sutampa. {{A}}: Ko reikia, kad suprastumėme tave? {{D}}: Reikia patiems mylėti - priimti mano vertybę kaip įsakymą i� auk�čiau, i� plačiau. {{A}}: Ar tu sutiktum tirti susijusį klausimą mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: Koks tai būtų klausimas? {{D}}: Ar gali kiekvienas priimti mane i� vidaus ar būtinai i� lauko? {{A}}: I� savęs? {{D}}: I� �irdies - i� vidinio priėjimo. {{A}}: O kaip suprasti i� lauko? {{D}}: Spaud�iant pasauliui. {{A}}: �od�iu, i� vidinio noro. {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: O kaip tu tirsi? {{D}}: Galime rinkti pavyzd�ius kaip �monės bendrauja su Dievu, su manimi. 2005.03.23 {{A}}: Kaip i�ėjimai u� savęs leid�ia mums suvokti tave esantį nepriklausomą nuo mūsų? {{D}}: A� jus myliu, o jūs mano meilę įsivaizduojate mylėdami kartu su manimi, pirmiausia save, paskui kitus, galiausia mane. 2005.03.16 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp prad�ios ir dvasios ir pabaigos ir sandaros? {{D}}: Prad�ios veikla yra mylėti, o pabaigos veikla yra būti mylimam, tad dvasia ir sandara. {{A}}: O ką čia rei�kia mylėti, kas yra gyvybė? {{D}}: Mylėti yra palaikyti gyvybę. Tu taip sakai ir taip yra. Kaip gyvybė yra i� pabaigos į pabaigą, meilė yra tos veiklos palaikymas. {{A}}: Kas vyksta tame tarpe? {{D}}: Taip, kas vyksta tarp pabaigos ir pabaigos. 2005.03.04 {{A}}: Kaip meilė palaiko gyvybę? {{D}}: Meile esi ramus, u�tikrintas, tobulas ir mylintis. Tad a� esu tavyje ir per tave gyvenu. {{A}}: O kaip tuo palaikoma �mogaus gyvybė? {{D}}: A� gyvendamas per tave esu tas kuris myli. Suprasi. Myliu. 2005.01.07 {{A}}: Kaip mums mylėti kitus? {{D}}: Įsileisk juos. Leisk jiems veikti tave. 2005.01.04 {{A}}: Kaip �mogus ima mylėti? {{D}}: Jis per mane mato save, tada jis supranta, kad per jį a� galiu matyti save, ir taip per kitą myli mane. 2004.12.13 {{A}}: Kaip keturi atvaizdai susiję su susikalbėjimu? {{D}}: A� noriu būti su visais, būti vienas su jais, juos mylėti. Tad tai yra meilės sąlygos. {{A}}: Kaip suprasti, meilės sąlygos? {{D}}: Meilei reikia, kad galėtumėme gyventi vienas kitame. {{A}}: O ką tai rei�kia? {{D}}: I�eiti i� savęs, ir i� savęs į kitą, ir i� kito į save, ir i� kito. {{A}}: Ačiū. {{D}}: Myliu. 2005.12.10 {{D}}: Tu mylėk visus. 2004.11.27 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Aš myliu išeidamas už savęs, o susikalbėjimas yra tada kada vienas pas kitą išeiname. 2004.11.26 {{A}}: Koks yra vyro ir žmonos meilės vaidmuo gyvenime? {{D}}: Supraskite, kas yra meilė ir kaip aš ja bendrauju su kitais. 2004.11.18 {{D}}: Aš myliu tave. Tu būk geras, švelnus ir tvirtas manimi. Myliu. 2004.11.05 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Meilė yra dvasios palaikymas, jo išjudinimas ir giluminio pokalbio sužadinimas. {{A}}: Per ką reiškiasi meilė? {{D}}: Per mano angelus ir per mano vaikus. Juk jie už mane sprendžia kada manęs dar nematyti. {{A}}: Palaiminti kurie tiki nematę. {{D}}: Eik ramybėje. {{A}}: Aš noriu mylėti. {{D}}: Būk jautrus kitiems ir atsiliepk už juos ir už mane. 2014.06.16 D: Jūs kiekvienas gyvenate savarankiškai, bet savarankiškumo pagrindu galitė vienas kitą mylėti ir palaikyti, galite gyventi viena, atsiversdami kitiems ir taip pat juos atjausdami. Kaip mano sūnus moko, mylėk artimą kaip save patį. Aš jus irgi taip myliu, tad esame viena. O jūs mylite mane už jūsų nes esame nesulyginami. Taip ir sutampa šios dvi meilės. Jus myliu ir auklėju, ugdau. 2014.06.20 D: Esu meilė slypinti, glūdinti visakame, o tiesa suveikiu ir pasireiškiu, pasitvirtinu. Tad mylėk ir tiesa atsivers. 2014 birželio 20 d., 14:16
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Pridėtos 322-323 eilutės:
Make sense of the pretexts for outreach as being one with in terms of unity of pairs of levels, broader and narrower. Pridėtos 622-784 eilutės:
By what reasoning do I get myself to think of my neighbor as the same as myself? There are six different lines of reasoning, as expressed below. Each of them expresses a growth in our concern, where self-sufficiency is concern for nothing, certainty is concern for something, calm is concern for anything, and love is concern for everything. These may be compared with Jesus' reasonings as in his Sermon on the Mount. I have tried to relate them to DirectionsToTheGood as follows.
person, who is about to leave life. That person may have no talent, or none of my interests, or no care for other people. But none of these things should matter. Otherwise, I am separating myself from other people. For the very sake of our equality, I have to be ready to hand over my life for others without question, without weighing the risk for them, or the risk to me. And likewise for the smallest chores of life. I should not measure the importance of people, but value as important what we share, the opportunity to do what any good person would do.
have other things to do. I must find something more to do with my life, to keep me from bothering you.
The above six examples of "logic" are "data" from my own life. They are lines of thinking that allow me to bridge the chasm with other people in a meaningful way. I suppose they are familiar to you, and I would be very glad if you could share more such examples. We use them, but they are hard to remember. I thought of the first couple of examples, and then I reconstructed the rest by using a structure that I have derived from some intense passages from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5. ("Get Along rather than Judge", etc.) My challenge is, can you think of more? If we do not, this assures "permanently tentatively" that we have comprehensive set. I will work to structure the data so that we can apply it to better comprehending the objectives of the Minciu Sodas laboratory. But I already feel, and I think we can see, that the above "existential" lines of thinking may serve as indestructible foundations for objectives we pursue. There is one more answer, given by Jesus himself, to the question: "Who is my neighbor?" Luke 10. He told the story of a man left half dead by robbers, and how a priest and a holy man each passed him by on the other side of the road. But a Samaritan - a despised culture - walked up to him, cared for him, brought him to the inn, payed the innkeeper, and told him he would reimburse any extra expense on his return. Which was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers? The one who had mercy on him. Go and do likewise. So Mercy is, I think, something altogether more. It is interesting, however, that the "neighbor" wasn't the man half dead, but the Samaritan. So "love your neighbor as yourself", taken literally, means: love the Samaritan, the one who showed mercy. But then Jesus says "Go and do likewise", which has us do what the Samaritan did, "do unto others what you have others do unto you". But "love your neighbor as yourself", from this point of view, means love those, care for those, who reach out to you, who are neighbors to you, just as you love yourself. And we love them as ourselves by doing exactly what they do ("going and doing likewise") reaching out to others. So the six lines of thinking are not of themselves Mercy, but I think they are ways of "going and doing likewise", ways of allowing for Mercy by bridging the chasm with others. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minciu_sodas_en/message/147 ===Challenges=== BenoitCouture: More deeply expressed forms of {{Love}} - from God's love to our love to another's love. ===Discussion=== BenoitCouture 27-Nov-2005 Value Love and sancttity extend into wise knowledge As a stay-at-home-dad-voter, Love is what I most need to be good at, but the reality of what I am made of keeps trowing me back on my heals, feeding my fear, hesitation, grumpyness ranging from bad mood to flying out the handle with rage. The evil nature of deceit keeps on compounding stress, ignorance and indifference, blinding me to the service to which Love calls me to breathe in from justice, to breathe out at peace and to live out in the strength of joy. God is Love. The more aware I grow in Love, the more I am aware of what offends Love and how Love does get to be offended. There is no turning back either, once touched by the light of Love. The light of Love burns away the impurity and corruptibility of my mortality until burning turns to shining of the Sacred Fire. Ongoing shadows and struggles go on until maturity is reached and when that day comes, private do I become in the war between light and darkness of the present human condition. My search for Value Love is to discover how to develop the intimate community focus within the boundaries where my love ones and I get to be kept on shining so bright from the mutual comfort of one another's presence and of our response to the moment that each offenses become an experience, swiftly learned by all involved. From strength to strength, imagine the trans-generational renewal of the pension movement that Value Love can arouse for the present and the future, with the support of 2 generations who are awaken to see all of the Value that is going to waste for lack of healthy intimacy with the one fading away! Value Love of the organic spiritual kind does bring on healthy intimacy, because of the personal awareness of how sensitive and delicate the Power of Love is. The worth of Value Love is mined from our treatment of such sensitive delicacy. No shame in ridding what shames us from Love and to Value the freedom from the rule of our personal fear and collective ignorance. The Value of Love is found in its correctional capacity and qualities. There lies from deep within each heart and spirit, the cleansing river of life eternal coming to our soul and body for the Flowcalization ...(which can now be googled for better acquaintance with the concept) Meilė artimui - pretexts for outreach - bendravimo dingstys See also: EverythingWishesForAnything, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, DirectionsToTheGood ===Thoughts=== Our pretexts for outreach are the lines of reasoning by which we reach out to our neighbor and "love our neighbor as our self". They express our own growth as children of God who do as he does, whose concerns grows broader in the ways that his do. Interestingly, here both we and our neighbors respond together with the same way of choosing. This suggests that here we play the role of the unbounded God, and our neighbors play the role of the bounded person, but we have met exactly half way, so that we may both respond, and coincide in our response. This is why there are many people, that we might coincide in this way, reaching out and being reached. Christ is the one who reaches out. ===Consider===
2005.04.30 {{D}}: Tu pagalvok, kaip meilė vystosi, kaip ji tampa vis gilesnė. 2005.04.11 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp meilės ir suvokimo? {{D}}: Meilė palaiko gyvybę, o suvokti tai yra gyventi pilnai. {{A}}: Meilė yra suvokti kartu. {{D}}: Taip, i� tiesų. 2005.03.24 {{A}}: Ar tu sutinki dalyvauti mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. Ačiū. A� jus myliu. {{A}}: Ar tu turi kertinę vertybę? Kokia jinai yra? {{D}}: Taip. Jinai yra meilė. A� visakame myliu. {{A}}: O rūpestis mąstymu - ar tai susiję? {{D}}: Ne. Rūpestis mąstymu yra tai kas yra bendra mūsų vertybėms. Tai leid�ia mums prieiti ir suprasti, bet dar ne sutampa. {{A}}: Ko reikia, kad suprastumėme tave? {{D}}: Reikia patiems mylėti - priimti mano vertybę kaip įsakymą i� auk�čiau, i� plačiau. {{A}}: Ar tu sutiktum tirti susijusį klausimą mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: Koks tai būtų klausimas? {{D}}: Ar gali kiekvienas priimti mane i� vidaus ar būtinai i� lauko? {{A}}: I� savęs? {{D}}: I� �irdies - i� vidinio priėjimo. {{A}}: O kaip suprasti i� lauko? {{D}}: Spaud�iant pasauliui. {{A}}: �od�iu, i� vidinio noro. {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: O kaip tu tirsi? {{D}}: Galime rinkti pavyzd�ius kaip �monės bendrauja su Dievu, su manimi. 2005.03.23 {{A}}: Kaip i�ėjimai u� savęs leid�ia mums suvokti tave esantį nepriklausomą nuo mūsų? {{D}}: A� jus myliu, o jūs mano meilę įsivaizduojate mylėdami kartu su manimi, pirmiausia save, paskui kitus, galiausia mane. 2005.03.16 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp prad�ios ir dvasios ir pabaigos ir sandaros? {{D}}: Prad�ios veikla yra mylėti, o pabaigos veikla yra būti mylimam, tad dvasia ir sandara. {{A}}: O ką čia rei�kia mylėti, kas yra gyvybė? {{D}}: Mylėti yra palaikyti gyvybę. Tu taip sakai ir taip yra. Kaip gyvybė yra i� pabaigos į pabaigą, meilė yra tos veiklos palaikymas. {{A}}: Kas vyksta tame tarpe? {{D}}: Taip, kas vyksta tarp pabaigos ir pabaigos. 2005.03.04 {{A}}: Kaip meilė palaiko gyvybę? {{D}}: Meile esi ramus, u�tikrintas, tobulas ir mylintis. Tad a� esu tavyje ir per tave gyvenu. {{A}}: O kaip tuo palaikoma �mogaus gyvybė? {{D}}: A� gyvendamas per tave esu tas kuris myli. Suprasi. Myliu. 2005.01.07 {{A}}: Kaip mums mylėti kitus? {{D}}: Įsileisk juos. Leisk jiems veikti tave. 2005.01.04 {{A}}: Kaip �mogus ima mylėti? {{D}}: Jis per mane mato save, tada jis supranta, kad per jį a� galiu matyti save, ir taip per kitą myli mane. 2004.12.13 {{A}}: Kaip keturi atvaizdai susiję su susikalbėjimu? {{D}}: A� noriu būti su visais, būti vienas su jais, juos mylėti. Tad tai yra meilės sąlygos. {{A}}: Kaip suprasti, meilės sąlygos? {{D}}: Meilei reikia, kad galėtumėme gyventi vienas kitame. {{A}}: O ką tai rei�kia? {{D}}: I�eiti i� savęs, ir i� savęs į kitą, ir i� kito į save, ir i� kito. {{A}}: Ačiū. {{D}}: Myliu. 2005.12.10 {{D}}: Tu mylėk visus. 2004.11.27 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Aš myliu išeidamas už savęs, o susikalbėjimas yra tada kada vienas pas kitą išeiname. 2004.11.26 {{A}}: Koks yra vyro ir žmonos meilės vaidmuo gyvenime? {{D}}: Supraskite, kas yra meilė ir kaip aš ja bendrauju su kitais. 2004.11.18 {{D}}: Aš myliu tave. Tu būk geras, švelnus ir tvirtas manimi. Myliu. 2004.11.05 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Meilė yra dvasios palaikymas, jo išjudinimas ir giluminio pokalbio sužadinimas. {{A}}: Per ką reiškiasi meilė? {{D}}: Per mano angelus ir per mano vaikus. Juk jie už mane sprendžia kada manęs dar nematyti. {{A}}: Palaiminti kurie tiki nematę. {{D}}: Eik ramybėje. {{A}}: Aš noriu mylėti. {{D}}: Būk jautrus kitiems ir atsiliepk už juos ir už mane. 2014.06.16 D: Jūs kiekvienas gyvenate savarankiškai, bet savarankiškumo pagrindu galitė vienas kitą mylėti ir palaikyti, galite gyventi viena, atsiversdami kitiems ir taip pat juos atjausdami. Kaip mano sūnus moko, mylėk artimą kaip save patį. Aš jus irgi taip myliu, tad esame viena. O jūs mylite mane už jūsų nes esame nesulyginami. Taip ir sutampa šios dvi meilės. Jus myliu ir auklėju, ugdau. 2014.06.20 D: Esu meilė slypinti, glūdinti visakame, o tiesa suveikiu ir pasireiškiu, pasitvirtinu. Tad mylėk ir tiesa atsivers. 2014 birželio 20 d., 14:02
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2003.06.06 Today I had a thought which I imagine is in the spirit of {{Unology}}. I was reaching for the big picture, so I was thinking about the commands LoveGod and LoveYourNeighborAsYourself. I thought how loving our neighbor is being one with them. And that I think of loving our neighbor as "identity" and loving God as "perfection" (and Jesus as being the bridge between these two very different concepts). I remembered how Jesus, in his prayer in the Gospel of John, spoke of "love" as "being one with", especially with regard to God. (I include a quote below). I also wondered, what does neighbor mean? And what does it mean for God to love his neighbor as himself? I think of God as creating everything by some how folding it all up so that it has a geometry where things can happen. And, in this way, beings of his nature arise who do not know they are such, but have to figure it out and go beyond the struture they find themselves in and look beyond it for that which they are one with. These beings are bounded, and start out disconnected, but otherwise they are of God, open. And these are the beings close to God, near to him, his neighbors. So I asked God, how does he love his neighbor, and the answer I think I got was that he resurrects him and gives him eternal life. I think of God as creating us, but also that process broken down into parts, placing us, awakening us, having us reach out to each other, to him. (And ourselves participating in such a process.) I looked for what "Love God" and "Love your neighbor as yourself" have in common, and what they have different. In common I think they have this {{Unity}} for {{Empathy}}, this BeingOneWith. The difference is that one is global, and the other is local. "Love God" is empathy for a global unity. "Love your neighbor as yourself" is empathy for a local unity. This local unity is very practical. It is perhaps ultimately the same. It may perhaps overcome all of the barriers. It is a recognition of the geometry that we find ourselves within, and an overcoming of it. I think it doesnt require a concern for the global unity, either. It also points to the role of {{Slack}} (and good is slack, that is, good is the unity of the representations of slack). Slack is what allows local unity, the overcoming of the local geometry. And "who is our neighbor?" Jesus was asked this, and in reply, he spoke of the Good Samaritan, the one who crossed the road to help the victim in the ditch, and care for him, and bring him to safety, and be responsible for him. It is a little strange that, at the end, Jesus asks, Who was the neighbor to the victim? Not the passersby, but the one who showed mercy, the one who drew closer, who gave slack. It means that Samaritan is the neighbor to the victim! which, taken literally, (and who takes Jesus literally!?) is that "Love your neighbor" means "Love the Samaritan" (not the victim). In other words, you know who your neighbor is - it is the one with slack to reach you, the one who overcomes barriers. If anybody is able to reach you with their slack, then likewise, you should be one with them. That is local unity. (The kind that, as Jesus says, even the pagans have, they know how to love those who love them.) Whereas, if you want to love your enemy, then that is global unity. But local unity, taken seriously, yields global unity. This distinction between Loving locally and Loving globally is helpful structurally. It points to the importance of geometry (space and time) to God. (This comes up in the distinction between God and humans, everything and anything, as unbounded and bounded.) So I remembered the {{Operation}} [AddThree +3] (an addition of three levels of reflection) which I think is {{Consciousness}}. Here are the issues defined by the divisions of everything, and taken up by their perspectives:
The eightsome collapses into the nullsome (just as "all are white & all are black" collapses into an empty system"). I think there is some kind of operation +3 on these divisions that relates to consciousness so that:
I think that these operations happen by means of the unity of the representations of the division that is operated on. For example, in the "Critique of Pure Reason", Immanuel Kant writes about his Transcendental Deduction. I think, in the end, he did not quite have it all together, and he kind of fudged it, these things are so murky. So here is my version. If you start with the division of everything into two perspectives (opposites coexist, all things are the same) and you take the "how" level representation (outside, inside) then you have that outside leads to inside. (If I am outside of a system, we are opposite, but if I get sucked into it, then it is like being inside the universe, there is no outside, and there is no way out.) So this is an algorithmic expression of the twosome. Think of it as a machine. It can be on or off. The relationship of these two machines is that of theory (machine off) and practice (machine on). When the machine is off, then I am distinct from it, opposite to it. But when the machine is on, then I am living through it, like a carrot through a grinder, or water through a pipe, we are one and the same process. As perspectives, theory gives way to practice. Well, the machine relates (outside and inside) as cause and effect. In theory, every effect has had its cause. But in practice, not every cause has had its effect. And there is the connection between the two machines, their inflection point. (The present). I need to think more about this, but my point is that this kind of argument shows the relationship between the twosome and the fivesome, and here it is one of adding three levels of reflection, but also one of consciousness, which means here that we are conscious of existence in that we are thinking of existence as an algorithm that we are able to turn on or off. Perhaps in space/time this means that we can control the scope of existence, the boundary between inside and outside, and in this way we are conceptually in control of existence, and as such conscious of it. Here consciousness is "conceptually in control" where I think the "conceptually" is +1 levels of reflection and "in control" is +2 levels and we have x +3 = x +2 +1 This works for the lower divisions because they have such representations (four of them: whether +0, what +1, how +2, why +1) and it is simply a matter of adding perspectives. However, in the case of the larger divisions, we need to end up with fewer perspectives! We need slack, anti-structure. These divisions have only two representations. I think what happens is that we use these two representations, and appeal to the fact that we are working with ALL of the representations. For example, time and space are the two representations of the division of everything into five perspectives. Well, God (or me, or everything) is very akin to the unity of time and space. I will be thinking about the following connections:
These equations seem intimately related to the primary structures (for transcendence), namely
Most of this work on +3 I did during and after my trip to Lithuania back in 1988-1989. I noticed that a similar "unity of representations" has become very important concept in my work of the last few years. It lets me distinguish between spirit and structure, as in:
So I will explore what this means in the above context, and try to make more sense of this operation +3. Note: Just as the mind can be known by running up against the limits of imagination and transcending them, so the heart can be fulfilled by loving more than one believes possible. Mylėti Dievą This is very much related to LoveYourEnemy. In order to both have an enemy and love them, we need to be able to have a split mind, as is the case when we love God. For this reason a good atheist is not able to have enemies (or acknowledge them as such). Love God is also directly associated with being {{Perfect}}, with behaving the same towards all, both the good and the bad. To love X is to support X so that it is alive, sensitive, responsive. We love God by allowing God to live through us, by following the will of God. There are three means by which we may follow the will of God (go on his way):
Mylėti artimą: šeši pavyzdžiai Kaip jie susiję su dorove, su pavyzdžiais iš Holokausto? See also: LoveGod, JesusChrist This means to love those who are good to us (as was the Good Samaritan). Hi, With regard to the "big picture" of our laboratory, I am looking for a foundation for six of our objectives: thinking about our own thoughts, actions, stands, and other thoughts, actions, stands. My feeling is that they can be derived from the commandment, "Love your neighbor as yourself". I think that they offer different aspects of what it can mean to be a neighbor. Here are some examples of the kind of logic that helps me think of others as my neighbors. 2014 birželio 20 d., 13:57
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Meilė yra tas anti-asmuo, kuriuo bręstame, kuriuo atsisakome senos savęs supratimo ir priimame naują. Ta branda atitinka Dievo išėjimą už savęs. Ištrintos 413-833 eilutės:
2003.06.06 Today I had a thought which I imagine is in the spirit of {{Unology}}. I was reaching for the big picture, so I was thinking about the commands LoveGod and LoveYourNeighborAsYourself. I thought how loving our neighbor is being one with them. And that I think of loving our neighbor as "identity" and loving God as "perfection" (and Jesus as being the bridge between these two very different concepts). I remembered how Jesus, in his prayer in the Gospel of John, spoke of "love" as "being one with", especially with regard to God. (I include a quote below). I also wondered, what does neighbor mean? And what does it mean for God to love his neighbor as himself? I think of God as creating everything by some how folding it all up so that it has a geometry where things can happen. And, in this way, beings of his nature arise who do not know they are such, but have to figure it out and go beyond the struture they find themselves in and look beyond it for that which they are one with. These beings are bounded, and start out disconnected, but otherwise they are of God, open. And these are the beings close to God, near to him, his neighbors. So I asked God, how does he love his neighbor, and the answer I think I got was that he resurrects him and gives him eternal life. I think of God as creating us, but also that process broken down into parts, placing us, awakening us, having us reach out to each other, to him. (And ourselves participating in such a process.) I looked for what "Love God" and "Love your neighbor as yourself" have in common, and what they have different. In common I think they have this {{Unity}} for {{Empathy}}, this BeingOneWith. The difference is that one is global, and the other is local. "Love God" is empathy for a global unity. "Love your neighbor as yourself" is empathy for a local unity. This local unity is very practical. It is perhaps ultimately the same. It may perhaps overcome all of the barriers. It is a recognition of the geometry that we find ourselves within, and an overcoming of it. I think it doesnt require a concern for the global unity, either. It also points to the role of {{Slack}} (and good is slack, that is, good is the unity of the representations of slack). Slack is what allows local unity, the overcoming of the local geometry. And "who is our neighbor?" Jesus was asked this, and in reply, he spoke of the Good Samaritan, the one who crossed the road to help the victim in the ditch, and care for him, and bring him to safety, and be responsible for him. It is a little strange that, at the end, Jesus asks, Who was the neighbor to the victim? Not the passersby, but the one who showed mercy, the one who drew closer, who gave slack. It means that Samaritan is the neighbor to the victim! which, taken literally, (and who takes Jesus literally!?) is that "Love your neighbor" means "Love the Samaritan" (not the victim). In other words, you know who your neighbor is - it is the one with slack to reach you, the one who overcomes barriers. If anybody is able to reach you with their slack, then likewise, you should be one with them. That is local unity. (The kind that, as Jesus says, even the pagans have, they know how to love those who love them.) Whereas, if you want to love your enemy, then that is global unity. But local unity, taken seriously, yields global unity. This distinction between Loving locally and Loving globally is helpful structurally. It points to the importance of geometry (space and time) to God. (This comes up in the distinction between God and humans, everything and anything, as unbounded and bounded.) So I remembered the {{Operation}} [AddThree +3] (an addition of three levels of reflection) which I think is {{Consciousness}}. Here are the issues defined by the divisions of everything, and taken up by their perspectives:
The eightsome collapses into the nullsome (just as "all are white & all are black" collapses into an empty system"). I think there is some kind of operation +3 on these divisions that relates to consciousness so that:
I think that these operations happen by means of the unity of the representations of the division that is operated on. For example, in the "Critique of Pure Reason", Immanuel Kant writes about his Transcendental Deduction. I think, in the end, he did not quite have it all together, and he kind of fudged it, these things are so murky. So here is my version. If you start with the division of everything into two perspectives (opposites coexist, all things are the same) and you take the "how" level representation (outside, inside) then you have that outside leads to inside. (If I am outside of a system, we are opposite, but if I get sucked into it, then it is like being inside the universe, there is no outside, and there is no way out.) So this is an algorithmic expression of the twosome. Think of it as a machine. It can be on or off. The relationship of these two machines is that of theory (machine off) and practice (machine on). When the machine is off, then I am distinct from it, opposite to it. But when the machine is on, then I am living through it, like a carrot through a grinder, or water through a pipe, we are one and the same process. As perspectives, theory gives way to practice. Well, the machine relates (outside and inside) as cause and effect. In theory, every effect has had its cause. But in practice, not every cause has had its effect. And there is the connection between the two machines, their inflection point. (The present). I need to think more about this, but my point is that this kind of argument shows the relationship between the twosome and the fivesome, and here it is one of adding three levels of reflection, but also one of consciousness, which means here that we are conscious of existence in that we are thinking of existence as an algorithm that we are able to turn on or off. Perhaps in space/time this means that we can control the scope of existence, the boundary between inside and outside, and in this way we are conceptually in control of existence, and as such conscious of it. Here consciousness is "conceptually in control" where I think the "conceptually" is +1 levels of reflection and "in control" is +2 levels and we have x +3 = x +2 +1 This works for the lower divisions because they have such representations (four of them: whether +0, what +1, how +2, why +1) and it is simply a matter of adding perspectives. However, in the case of the larger divisions, we need to end up with fewer perspectives! We need slack, anti-structure. These divisions have only two representations. I think what happens is that we use these two representations, and appeal to the fact that we are working with ALL of the representations. For example, time and space are the two representations of the division of everything into five perspectives. Well, God (or me, or everything) is very akin to the unity of time and space. I will be thinking about the following connections:
These equations seem intimately related to the primary structures (for transcendence), namely
Most of this work on +3 I did during and after my trip to Lithuania back in 1988-1989. I noticed that a similar "unity of representations" has become very important concept in my work of the last few years. It lets me distinguish between spirit and structure, as in:
So I will explore what this means in the above context, and try to make more sense of this operation +3. Note: Just as the mind can be known by running up against the limits of imagination and transcending them, so the heart can be fulfilled by loving more than one believes possible. Mylėti Dievą This is very much related to LoveYourEnemy. In order to both have an enemy and love them, we need to be able to have a split mind, as is the case when we love God. For this reason a good atheist is not able to have enemies (or acknowledge them as such). Love God is also directly associated with being {{Perfect}}, with behaving the same towards all, both the good and the bad. To love X is to support X so that it is alive, sensitive, responsive. We love God by allowing God to live through us, by following the will of God. There are three means by which we may follow the will of God (go on his way):
Mylėti artimą: šeši pavyzdžiai Kaip jie susiję su dorove, su pavyzdžiais iš Holokausto? See also: LoveGod, JesusChrist This means to love those who are good to us (as was the Good Samaritan). Hi, With regard to the "big picture" of our laboratory, I am looking for a foundation for six of our objectives: thinking about our own thoughts, actions, stands, and other thoughts, actions, stands. My feeling is that they can be derived from the commandment, "Love your neighbor as yourself". I think that they offer different aspects of what it can mean to be a neighbor. Here are some examples of the kind of logic that helps me think of others as my neighbors. Open rather than Comfortable I am happy, and have gifts which may keep me happy. But I received them not for anything I did. I could have been born in awful circumstances, I sometimes imagine Cambodia, where even these gifts might be useless, and life might be very miserable and short. If I think these are useful gifts, then I have a responsibility to use them to serve those who do not have my good fortune, and to reach out to them. This is what they would want me to do. Take a Stand rather than Convince I believe (in God), regardless of anything I do or will know. This is so important to me that it is an unconditional stand that I take. But this is the belief that I have been raised with. There are other people who seem to be raised with other beliefs. If they take an unconditional stand, then I respect that there should be no argument or evidence by which their belief would ever change. So I do not want their belief to change. But I believe there is one truth, one true belief. So there must be a way of translation by which every person who takes an unconditional stand has this same true belief. Come to My Senses rather than Measure I should be ready to give up my life for another. I think of jumping into water to save somebody, or pushing them out of the way of a truck. That person might be a baby, who has not yet invested in life, or an old person, who is about to leave life. That person may have no talent, or none of my interests, or no care for other people. But none of these things should matter. Otherwise, I am separating myself from other people. For the very sake of our equality, I have to be ready to hand over my life for others without question, without weighing the risk for them, or the risk to me. And likewise for the smallest chores of life. I should not measure the importance of people, but value as important what we share, the opportunity to do what any good person would do. Get Along rather than Judge I am not able to judge what is truly hard for me to do, and what is truly easy. I only know my efforts as I make them inside of me. I only know one outcome for any effort I make: I never know how much I fell short, or how much I did extra. So how can I judge another? I know the difference between agreeing and refusing to make an effort. I have no way of measuring the amount of effort, so I can only presume that any efforts we make are equal, so long as we make them. Issue by issue, I can challenge us to make an effort, but I must accept as satisfactory any effort made. Save rather than Blame My environment affects me, and may make me think badly of others. I must ever thrust myself outside of my own situation, and enter that of others, so as to counter my prejudices. Everywhere I go then becomes my neighborhood, and I may respond on behalf of my neighbors, when they are not strong enough to do so. So I am ready to respond, as I myself think appropriate, to anything on behalf of anybody. Most especially, on behalf of my enemy. Be Unconditional rather than Be Consistent My ability to care about you makes me human. You cannot take this away from me. I have the right to care about you, and work that you may have life, regardless of what you care about, or want me to do, or not do. However, I am always at risk of abusing this outlook. When I do take up this outlook, I must suffer myself in ways that would remind that I also have other things to do. I must find something more to do with my life, to keep me from bothering you. The above six examples of "logic" are "data" from my own life. They are lines of thinking that allow me to bridge the chasm with other people in a meaningful way. I suppose they are familiar to you, and I would be very glad if you could share more such examples. We use them, but they are hard to remember. I thought of the first couple of examples, and then I reconstructed the rest by using a structure that I have derived from some intense passages from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5. ("Get Along rather than Judge", etc.) My challenge is, can you think of more? If we do not, this assures "permanently tentatively" that we have comprehensive set. I will work to structure the data so that we can apply it to better comprehending the objectives of the Minciu Sodas laboratory. But I already feel, and I think we can see, that the above "existential" lines of thinking may serve as indestructible foundations for objectives we pursue. There is one more answer, given by Jesus himself, to the question: "Who is my neighbor?" Luke 10. He told the story of a man left half dead by robbers, and how a priest and a holy man each passed him by on the other side of the road. But a Samaritan - a despised culture - walked up to him, cared for him, brought him to the inn, payed the innkeeper, and told him he would reimburse any extra expense on his return. Which was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers? The one who had mercy on him. Go and do likewise. So Mercy is, I think, something altogether more. It is interesting, however, that the "neighbor" wasn't the man half dead, but the Samaritan. So "love your neighbor as yourself", taken literally, means: love the Samaritan, the one who showed mercy. But then Jesus says "Go and do likewise", which has us do what the Samaritan did, "do unto others what you have others do unto you". But "love your neighbor as yourself", from this point of view, means love those, care for those, who reach out to you, who are neighbors to you, just as you love yourself. And we love them as ourselves by doing exactly what they do ("going and doing likewise") reaching out to others. So the six lines of thinking are not of themselves Mercy, but I think they are ways of "going and doing likewise", ways of allowing for Mercy by bridging the chasm with others. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minciu_sodas_en/message/147 ===Challenges=== BenoitCouture: More deeply expressed forms of {{Love}} - from God's love to our love to another's love. ===Discussion=== BenoitCouture 27-Nov-2005 Value Love and sancttity extend into wise knowledge As a stay-at-home-dad-voter, Love is what I most need to be good at, but the reality of what I am made of keeps trowing me back on my heals, feeding my fear, hesitation, grumpyness ranging from bad mood to flying out the handle with rage. The evil nature of deceit keeps on compounding stress, ignorance and indifference, blinding me to the service to which Love calls me to breathe in from justice, to breathe out at peace and to live out in the strength of joy. God is Love. The more aware I grow in Love, the more I am aware of what offends Love and how Love does get to be offended. There is no turning back either, once touched by the light of Love. The light of Love burns away the impurity and corruptibility of my mortality until burning turns to shining of the Sacred Fire. Ongoing shadows and struggles go on until maturity is reached and when that day comes, private do I become in the war between light and darkness of the present human condition. My search for Value Love is to discover how to develop the intimate community focus within the boundaries where my love ones and I get to be kept on shining so bright from the mutual comfort of one another's presence and of our response to the moment that each offenses become an experience, swiftly learned by all involved. From strength to strength, imagine the trans-generational renewal of the pension movement that Value Love can arouse for the present and the future, with the support of 2 generations who are awaken to see all of the Value that is going to waste for lack of healthy intimacy with the one fading away! Value Love of the organic spiritual kind does bring on healthy intimacy, because of the personal awareness of how sensitive and delicate the Power of Love is. The worth of Value Love is mined from our treatment of such sensitive delicacy. No shame in ridding what shames us from Love and to Value the freedom from the rule of our personal fear and collective ignorance. The Value of Love is found in its correctional capacity and qualities. There lies from deep within each heart and spirit, the cleansing river of life eternal coming to our soul and body for the Flowcalization ...(which can now be googled for better acquaintance with the concept) Meilė artimui - pretexts for outreach - bendravimo dingstys See also: EverythingWishesForAnything, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, DirectionsToTheGood By what reasoning do I get myself to think of my neighbor as the same as myself? There are six different lines of reasoning, as expressed below. Each of them expresses a growth in our concern, where self-sufficiency is concern for nothing, certainty is concern for something, calm is concern for anything, and love is concern for everything. These may be compared with Jesus' reasonings as in his Sermon on the Mount. I have tried to relate them to DirectionsToTheGood as follows.
===Thoughts=== Our pretexts for outreach are the lines of reasoning by which we reach out to our neighbor and "love our neighbor as our self". They express our own growth as children of God who do as he does, whose concerns grows broader in the ways that his do. Interestingly, here both we and our neighbors respond together with the same way of choosing. This suggests that here we play the role of the unbounded God, and our neighbors play the role of the bounded person, but we have met exactly half way, so that we may both respond, and coincide in our response. This is why there are many people, that we might coincide in this way, reaching out and being reached. Christ is the one who reaches out. ===Consider===
2005.04.30 {{D}}: Tu pagalvok, kaip meilė vystosi, kaip ji tampa vis gilesnė. 2005.04.11 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp meilės ir suvokimo? {{D}}: Meilė palaiko gyvybę, o suvokti tai yra gyventi pilnai. {{A}}: Meilė yra suvokti kartu. {{D}}: Taip, i� tiesų. 2005.03.24 {{A}}: Ar tu sutinki dalyvauti mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. Ačiū. A� jus myliu. {{A}}: Ar tu turi kertinę vertybę? Kokia jinai yra? {{D}}: Taip. Jinai yra meilė. A� visakame myliu. {{A}}: O rūpestis mąstymu - ar tai susiję? {{D}}: Ne. Rūpestis mąstymu yra tai kas yra bendra mūsų vertybėms. Tai leid�ia mums prieiti ir suprasti, bet dar ne sutampa. {{A}}: Ko reikia, kad suprastumėme tave? {{D}}: Reikia patiems mylėti - priimti mano vertybę kaip įsakymą i� auk�čiau, i� plačiau. {{A}}: Ar tu sutiktum tirti susijusį klausimą mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: Koks tai būtų klausimas? {{D}}: Ar gali kiekvienas priimti mane i� vidaus ar būtinai i� lauko? {{A}}: I� savęs? {{D}}: I� �irdies - i� vidinio priėjimo. {{A}}: O kaip suprasti i� lauko? {{D}}: Spaud�iant pasauliui. {{A}}: �od�iu, i� vidinio noro. {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: O kaip tu tirsi? {{D}}: Galime rinkti pavyzd�ius kaip �monės bendrauja su Dievu, su manimi. 2005.03.23 {{A}}: Kaip i�ėjimai u� savęs leid�ia mums suvokti tave esantį nepriklausomą nuo mūsų? {{D}}: A� jus myliu, o jūs mano meilę įsivaizduojate mylėdami kartu su manimi, pirmiausia save, paskui kitus, galiausia mane. 2005.03.16 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp prad�ios ir dvasios ir pabaigos ir sandaros? {{D}}: Prad�ios veikla yra mylėti, o pabaigos veikla yra būti mylimam, tad dvasia ir sandara. {{A}}: O ką čia rei�kia mylėti, kas yra gyvybė? {{D}}: Mylėti yra palaikyti gyvybę. Tu taip sakai ir taip yra. Kaip gyvybė yra i� pabaigos į pabaigą, meilė yra tos veiklos palaikymas. {{A}}: Kas vyksta tame tarpe? {{D}}: Taip, kas vyksta tarp pabaigos ir pabaigos. 2005.03.04 {{A}}: Kaip meilė palaiko gyvybę? {{D}}: Meile esi ramus, u�tikrintas, tobulas ir mylintis. Tad a� esu tavyje ir per tave gyvenu. {{A}}: O kaip tuo palaikoma �mogaus gyvybė? {{D}}: A� gyvendamas per tave esu tas kuris myli. Suprasi. Myliu. 2005.01.07 {{A}}: Kaip mums mylėti kitus? {{D}}: Įsileisk juos. Leisk jiems veikti tave. 2005.01.04 {{A}}: Kaip �mogus ima mylėti? {{D}}: Jis per mane mato save, tada jis supranta, kad per jį a� galiu matyti save, ir taip per kitą myli mane. 2004.12.13 {{A}}: Kaip keturi atvaizdai susiję su susikalbėjimu? {{D}}: A� noriu būti su visais, būti vienas su jais, juos mylėti. Tad tai yra meilės sąlygos. {{A}}: Kaip suprasti, meilės sąlygos? {{D}}: Meilei reikia, kad galėtumėme gyventi vienas kitame. {{A}}: O ką tai rei�kia? {{D}}: I�eiti i� savęs, ir i� savęs į kitą, ir i� kito į save, ir i� kito. {{A}}: Ačiū. {{D}}: Myliu. 2005.12.10 {{D}}: Tu mylėk visus. 2004.11.27 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Aš myliu išeidamas už savęs, o susikalbėjimas yra tada kada vienas pas kitą išeiname. 2004.11.26 {{A}}: Koks yra vyro ir žmonos meilės vaidmuo gyvenime? {{D}}: Supraskite, kas yra meilė ir kaip aš ja bendrauju su kitais. 2004.11.18 {{D}}: Aš myliu tave. Tu būk geras, švelnus ir tvirtas manimi. Myliu. 2004.11.05 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Meilė yra dvasios palaikymas, jo išjudinimas ir giluminio pokalbio sužadinimas. {{A}}: Per ką reiškiasi meilė? {{D}}: Per mano angelus ir per mano vaikus. Juk jie už mane sprendžia kada manęs dar nematyti. {{A}}: Palaiminti kurie tiki nematę. {{D}}: Eik ramybėje. {{A}}: Aš noriu mylėti. {{D}}: Būk jautrus kitiems ir atsiliepk už juos ir už mane. 2014.06.16 D: Jūs kiekvienas gyvenate savarankiškai, bet savarankiškumo pagrindu galitė vienas kitą mylėti ir palaikyti, galite gyventi viena, atsiversdami kitiems ir taip pat juos atjausdami. Kaip mano sūnus moko, mylėk artimą kaip save patį. Aš jus irgi taip myliu, tad esame viena. O jūs mylite mane už jūsų nes esame nesulyginami. Taip ir sutampa šios dvi meilės. Jus myliu ir auklėju, ugdau. 2014.06.20 D: Esu meilė slypinti, glūdinti visakame, o tiesa suveikiu ir pasireiškiu, pasitvirtinu. Tad mylėk ir tiesa atsivers. 2014 birželio 20 d., 13:55
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Which, if any, is primary - love or life? And the answer is that love is primary, for through love we have not simply life, but eternal life. Love is unified. But life is dual, in that it is not a primitive concept, but rather life is the goodness of God. And thus there is (and may be) {{Understanding}} of life, understanding of the goodness of God (and the separation of these two distinct concepts), and that is EternalLife. Consider the relationship with the LevelsOfUnderstanding, how they help set up this option (with regard to life). And how they match up with the heirarchy: {{Spirit}}, {{Structure}}, {{Representations}}, {{Unity}} (and how those match up with the operations +1, +2, +3, +0). The relationship of love and life is also somehow given by the EightfoldWay in that it expresses {{Unity}} of {{Representations}} of {{Structure}} of {{Spirit}}. These are are associated {{Topologies}}, {{Representations}}, {{Divisions}} as defined with regard to negations of RepresentationsOfTheOnesome. So perhaps the inversion effect relates them to the negations of the RepresentationsOfTheNullsome and {{Languages}}? Kaip sutampa du skirtingi meilės supratimai, gyvybės palaikymas ir Dievo vienybė? Sutampa teigiamu ir neigiamu įsakymu. Teigiamas įsakymas ketveriopai išsako Dievo vienybę. Neigiamas įsakymas šešeriopai išsako gyvybės palaikymą. Kaip palaikyti šviesuolių bendrystę? Šviesuolių bendrystė palaikoma meile. Ji mūsų ugdymosi sąlyga. Mes vienybe gyvename, bręstame, mokomės. Meile tampama viena. Buvimas viena yra mūsų meilės išdava ir išraiška. Kaip įvairiai reiškiasi, suveikia meilė? Palaikymas, meilė, branda
believing and obeying?
and relationships with them?
permutation, about believing and being, and obeying and doing?
and who can have a will?
Meilė yra tas anti-asmuo, kuriuo bręstame, kuriuo atsisakome senos savęs supratimo ir priimame naują. Ta branda atitinka Dievo išėjimą už savęs. See also: {{Overview}}, {{View}}, UnityOfRepresentationsOfStructure, {{Caring}}, {{Sixsome}}, [AddTwo +2], {{God}}, Heart, Understanding, Truth God is one with us by his love which is from beyond us and by which we love one another. We love through God's love and so we are one in God's love. We are one with God and one together and that is through Other by which we are one amongst ourselves as we are beyond ourselves, so that Other and God coincide and all coincide along with them, just as Life and EternalLife coincide. We love ever deeper:
{{God}} loves the {{heart}}. To love and to be loved is very closely related to GoingBeyondOneself. To love is to step forward to coincide with one who is going beyond themselves. Then the one who is loved, when they love, they may turn around so as to step forward - to love - oneself. This is to allow for a coinciding of views - and a parallel view as with eternal life. Hence understanding is in the turning around, this returning to the beginning. And here that beginning is at the heart. So the movement seems to be: go beyond oneself, coincide with the one who steps forward to meet you, and then turn around to face the one you went beyond. To love is to be together (to BeOneWith) the one who has separated from themselves, gone beyond themselves. Going beyond oneself makes for two - the one who was, and the one who went beyond. These two maybe considered together or separate. If one returns back, then it is perhaps possible to consider them separate in a parallel sense. (This is reminiscent of the general relativity paradoxes where one accelerates away and then back). This separation may be thought of as defining scopes:
How does this relate to BeingOneWith? WhatYouFindIsWhatYouLove - this is the fact that there is one love and so God's love for us (through what we find) and our love is the same love ===Thoughts=== Relate love to {{Understanding}}. According to Plato's The Feast, love is the seeking of eternal good. And it's activity is the giving birth to beauty. I add that beauty is what fosters sensitivity, and thereby supports life. We love a person - that is the way of our love - as we know how to support ourselves, and so we are able to support a person. We are one with everybody, anybody, somebody, nobody - and there are related emotions of content, excitement, surprise and sadness - and in this way our love becomes more focused, more concentrated - first infantilic love of self as everything, then an empathy for others, then an idealization of the one (the somebody) who is most exalted and encompasses all, and then the disappointment that we have for this world, yet we are able to focus our love on nobody - and so disappointment is the highest form of love, in that it has us recognize a greater world as necessary - as Christ says, we must hate our life in this world. And the fact that disappointment is the highest form of love is very helpful because it lets us respect family troubles and tensions between husband and wife, or parents and children. Also, each level raises the question - who are we serving, ourselves or another? Are we loving ourselves or loving another? And love expresses the relation between Subject (Observer) and Object (Observed), that there can be something more than the Observer. And as we realize subjectively that there is something greater than us, then we can go out into the world ever more objectively and love from that basis, so that we finally find the contentment of eternal life. I am making a bit more progress, in particular, in understanding love. In this sense, given that the representations of everything are:
we have that Love is the unity of these representations. I suppose that we have that:
Just as:
This way of looking at Love is nice because it makes clear that Love is built-in through everything as the framework that supports life. And that in this sense God is Love as that same unity, just more completely transparent. It makes intimate the support of everything for anything. 2003.06.06 Today I had a thought which I imagine is in the spirit of {{Unology}}. I was reaching for the big picture, so I was thinking about the commands LoveGod and LoveYourNeighborAsYourself. I thought how loving our neighbor is being one with them. And that I think of loving our neighbor as "identity" and loving God as "perfection" (and Jesus as being the bridge between these two very different concepts). I remembered how Jesus, in his prayer in the Gospel of John, spoke of "love" as "being one with", especially with regard to God. (I include a quote below). I also wondered, what does neighbor mean? And what does it mean for God to love his neighbor as himself? I think of God as creating everything by some how folding it all up so that it has a geometry where things can happen. And, in this way, beings of his nature arise who do not know they are such, but have to figure it out and go beyond the struture they find themselves in and look beyond it for that which they are one with. These beings are bounded, and start out disconnected, but otherwise they are of God, open. And these are the beings close to God, near to him, his neighbors. So I asked God, how does he love his neighbor, and the answer I think I got was that he resurrects him and gives him eternal life. I think of God as creating us, but also that process broken down into parts, placing us, awakening us, having us reach out to each other, to him. (And ourselves participating in such a process.) I looked for what "Love God" and "Love your neighbor as yourself" have in common, and what they have different. In common I think they have this {{Unity}} for {{Empathy}}, this BeingOneWith. The difference is that one is global, and the other is local. "Love God" is empathy for a global unity. "Love your neighbor as yourself" is empathy for a local unity. This local unity is very practical. It is perhaps ultimately the same. It may perhaps overcome all of the barriers. It is a recognition of the geometry that we find ourselves within, and an overcoming of it. I think it doesnt require a concern for the global unity, either. It also points to the role of {{Slack}} (and good is slack, that is, good is the unity of the representations of slack). Slack is what allows local unity, the overcoming of the local geometry. And "who is our neighbor?" Jesus was asked this, and in reply, he spoke of the Good Samaritan, the one who crossed the road to help the victim in the ditch, and care for him, and bring him to safety, and be responsible for him. It is a little strange that, at the end, Jesus asks, Who was the neighbor to the victim? Not the passersby, but the one who showed mercy, the one who drew closer, who gave slack. It means that Samaritan is the neighbor to the victim! which, taken literally, (and who takes Jesus literally!?) is that "Love your neighbor" means "Love the Samaritan" (not the victim). In other words, you know who your neighbor is - it is the one with slack to reach you, the one who overcomes barriers. If anybody is able to reach you with their slack, then likewise, you should be one with them. That is local unity. (The kind that, as Jesus says, even the pagans have, they know how to love those who love them.) Whereas, if you want to love your enemy, then that is global unity. But local unity, taken seriously, yields global unity. This distinction between Loving locally and Loving globally is helpful structurally. It points to the importance of geometry (space and time) to God. (This comes up in the distinction between God and humans, everything and anything, as unbounded and bounded.) So I remembered the {{Operation}} [AddThree +3] (an addition of three levels of reflection) which I think is {{Consciousness}}. Here are the issues defined by the divisions of everything, and taken up by their perspectives:
The eightsome collapses into the nullsome (just as "all are white & all are black" collapses into an empty system"). I think there is some kind of operation +3 on these divisions that relates to consciousness so that:
I think that these operations happen by means of the unity of the representations of the division that is operated on. For example, in the "Critique of Pure Reason", Immanuel Kant writes about his Transcendental Deduction. I think, in the end, he did not quite have it all together, and he kind of fudged it, these things are so murky. So here is my version. If you start with the division of everything into two perspectives (opposites coexist, all things are the same) and you take the "how" level representation (outside, inside) then you have that outside leads to inside. (If I am outside of a system, we are opposite, but if I get sucked into it, then it is like being inside the universe, there is no outside, and there is no way out.) So this is an algorithmic expression of the twosome. Think of it as a machine. It can be on or off. The relationship of these two machines is that of theory (machine off) and practice (machine on). When the machine is off, then I am distinct from it, opposite to it. But when the machine is on, then I am living through it, like a carrot through a grinder, or water through a pipe, we are one and the same process. As perspectives, theory gives way to practice. Well, the machine relates (outside and inside) as cause and effect. In theory, every effect has had its cause. But in practice, not every cause has had its effect. And there is the connection between the two machines, their inflection point. (The present). I need to think more about this, but my point is that this kind of argument shows the relationship between the twosome and the fivesome, and here it is one of adding three levels of reflection, but also one of consciousness, which means here that we are conscious of existence in that we are thinking of existence as an algorithm that we are able to turn on or off. Perhaps in space/time this means that we can control the scope of existence, the boundary between inside and outside, and in this way we are conceptually in control of existence, and as such conscious of it. Here consciousness is "conceptually in control" where I think the "conceptually" is +1 levels of reflection and "in control" is +2 levels and we have x +3 = x +2 +1 This works for the lower divisions because they have such representations (four of them: whether +0, what +1, how +2, why +1) and it is simply a matter of adding perspectives. However, in the case of the larger divisions, we need to end up with fewer perspectives! We need slack, anti-structure. These divisions have only two representations. I think what happens is that we use these two representations, and appeal to the fact that we are working with ALL of the representations. For example, time and space are the two representations of the division of everything into five perspectives. Well, God (or me, or everything) is very akin to the unity of time and space. I will be thinking about the following connections:
These equations seem intimately related to the primary structures (for transcendence), namely
Most of this work on +3 I did during and after my trip to Lithuania back in 1988-1989. I noticed that a similar "unity of representations" has become very important concept in my work of the last few years. It lets me distinguish between spirit and structure, as in:
So I will explore what this means in the above context, and try to make more sense of this operation +3. Note: Just as the mind can be known by running up against the limits of imagination and transcending them, so the heart can be fulfilled by loving more than one believes possible. Mylėti Dievą This is very much related to LoveYourEnemy. In order to both have an enemy and love them, we need to be able to have a split mind, as is the case when we love God. For this reason a good atheist is not able to have enemies (or acknowledge them as such). Love God is also directly associated with being {{Perfect}}, with behaving the same towards all, both the good and the bad. To love X is to support X so that it is alive, sensitive, responsive. We love God by allowing God to live through us, by following the will of God. There are three means by which we may follow the will of God (go on his way):
Mylėti artimą: šeši pavyzdžiai Kaip jie susiję su dorove, su pavyzdžiais iš Holokausto? See also: LoveGod, JesusChrist This means to love those who are good to us (as was the Good Samaritan). Hi, With regard to the "big picture" of our laboratory, I am looking for a foundation for six of our objectives: thinking about our own thoughts, actions, stands, and other thoughts, actions, stands. My feeling is that they can be derived from the commandment, "Love your neighbor as yourself". I think that they offer different aspects of what it can mean to be a neighbor. Here are some examples of the kind of logic that helps me think of others as my neighbors. Open rather than Comfortable I am happy, and have gifts which may keep me happy. But I received them not for anything I did. I could have been born in awful circumstances, I sometimes imagine Cambodia, where even these gifts might be useless, and life might be very miserable and short. If I think these are useful gifts, then I have a responsibility to use them to serve those who do not have my good fortune, and to reach out to them. This is what they would want me to do. Take a Stand rather than Convince I believe (in God), regardless of anything I do or will know. This is so important to me that it is an unconditional stand that I take. But this is the belief that I have been raised with. There are other people who seem to be raised with other beliefs. If they take an unconditional stand, then I respect that there should be no argument or evidence by which their belief would ever change. So I do not want their belief to change. But I believe there is one truth, one true belief. So there must be a way of translation by which every person who takes an unconditional stand has this same true belief. Come to My Senses rather than Measure I should be ready to give up my life for another. I think of jumping into water to save somebody, or pushing them out of the way of a truck. That person might be a baby, who has not yet invested in life, or an old person, who is about to leave life. That person may have no talent, or none of my interests, or no care for other people. But none of these things should matter. Otherwise, I am separating myself from other people. For the very sake of our equality, I have to be ready to hand over my life for others without question, without weighing the risk for them, or the risk to me. And likewise for the smallest chores of life. I should not measure the importance of people, but value as important what we share, the opportunity to do what any good person would do. Get Along rather than Judge I am not able to judge what is truly hard for me to do, and what is truly easy. I only know my efforts as I make them inside of me. I only know one outcome for any effort I make: I never know how much I fell short, or how much I did extra. So how can I judge another? I know the difference between agreeing and refusing to make an effort. I have no way of measuring the amount of effort, so I can only presume that any efforts we make are equal, so long as we make them. Issue by issue, I can challenge us to make an effort, but I must accept as satisfactory any effort made. Save rather than Blame My environment affects me, and may make me think badly of others. I must ever thrust myself outside of my own situation, and enter that of others, so as to counter my prejudices. Everywhere I go then becomes my neighborhood, and I may respond on behalf of my neighbors, when they are not strong enough to do so. So I am ready to respond, as I myself think appropriate, to anything on behalf of anybody. Most especially, on behalf of my enemy. Be Unconditional rather than Be Consistent My ability to care about you makes me human. You cannot take this away from me. I have the right to care about you, and work that you may have life, regardless of what you care about, or want me to do, or not do. However, I am always at risk of abusing this outlook. When I do take up this outlook, I must suffer myself in ways that would remind that I also have other things to do. I must find something more to do with my life, to keep me from bothering you. The above six examples of "logic" are "data" from my own life. They are lines of thinking that allow me to bridge the chasm with other people in a meaningful way. I suppose they are familiar to you, and I would be very glad if you could share more such examples. We use them, but they are hard to remember. I thought of the first couple of examples, and then I reconstructed the rest by using a structure that I have derived from some intense passages from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5. ("Get Along rather than Judge", etc.) My challenge is, can you think of more? If we do not, this assures "permanently tentatively" that we have comprehensive set. I will work to structure the data so that we can apply it to better comprehending the objectives of the Minciu Sodas laboratory. But I already feel, and I think we can see, that the above "existential" lines of thinking may serve as indestructible foundations for objectives we pursue. There is one more answer, given by Jesus himself, to the question: "Who is my neighbor?" Luke 10. He told the story of a man left half dead by robbers, and how a priest and a holy man each passed him by on the other side of the road. But a Samaritan - a despised culture - walked up to him, cared for him, brought him to the inn, payed the innkeeper, and told him he would reimburse any extra expense on his return. Which was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers? The one who had mercy on him. Go and do likewise. So Mercy is, I think, something altogether more. It is interesting, however, that the "neighbor" wasn't the man half dead, but the Samaritan. So "love your neighbor as yourself", taken literally, means: love the Samaritan, the one who showed mercy. But then Jesus says "Go and do likewise", which has us do what the Samaritan did, "do unto others what you have others do unto you". But "love your neighbor as yourself", from this point of view, means love those, care for those, who reach out to you, who are neighbors to you, just as you love yourself. And we love them as ourselves by doing exactly what they do ("going and doing likewise") reaching out to others. So the six lines of thinking are not of themselves Mercy, but I think they are ways of "going and doing likewise", ways of allowing for Mercy by bridging the chasm with others. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minciu_sodas_en/message/147 ===Challenges=== BenoitCouture: More deeply expressed forms of {{Love}} - from God's love to our love to another's love. ===Discussion=== BenoitCouture 27-Nov-2005 Value Love and sancttity extend into wise knowledge As a stay-at-home-dad-voter, Love is what I most need to be good at, but the reality of what I am made of keeps trowing me back on my heals, feeding my fear, hesitation, grumpyness ranging from bad mood to flying out the handle with rage. The evil nature of deceit keeps on compounding stress, ignorance and indifference, blinding me to the service to which Love calls me to breathe in from justice, to breathe out at peace and to live out in the strength of joy. God is Love. The more aware I grow in Love, the more I am aware of what offends Love and how Love does get to be offended. There is no turning back either, once touched by the light of Love. The light of Love burns away the impurity and corruptibility of my mortality until burning turns to shining of the Sacred Fire. Ongoing shadows and struggles go on until maturity is reached and when that day comes, private do I become in the war between light and darkness of the present human condition. My search for Value Love is to discover how to develop the intimate community focus within the boundaries where my love ones and I get to be kept on shining so bright from the mutual comfort of one another's presence and of our response to the moment that each offenses become an experience, swiftly learned by all involved. From strength to strength, imagine the trans-generational renewal of the pension movement that Value Love can arouse for the present and the future, with the support of 2 generations who are awaken to see all of the Value that is going to waste for lack of healthy intimacy with the one fading away! Value Love of the organic spiritual kind does bring on healthy intimacy, because of the personal awareness of how sensitive and delicate the Power of Love is. The worth of Value Love is mined from our treatment of such sensitive delicacy. No shame in ridding what shames us from Love and to Value the freedom from the rule of our personal fear and collective ignorance. The Value of Love is found in its correctional capacity and qualities. There lies from deep within each heart and spirit, the cleansing river of life eternal coming to our soul and body for the Flowcalization ...(which can now be googled for better acquaintance with the concept) Meilė artimui - pretexts for outreach - bendravimo dingstys See also: EverythingWishesForAnything, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, DirectionsToTheGood By what reasoning do I get myself to think of my neighbor as the same as myself? There are six different lines of reasoning, as expressed below. Each of them expresses a growth in our concern, where self-sufficiency is concern for nothing, certainty is concern for something, calm is concern for anything, and love is concern for everything. These may be compared with Jesus' reasonings as in his Sermon on the Mount. I have tried to relate them to DirectionsToTheGood as follows.
===Thoughts=== Our pretexts for outreach are the lines of reasoning by which we reach out to our neighbor and "love our neighbor as our self". They express our own growth as children of God who do as he does, whose concerns grows broader in the ways that his do. Interestingly, here both we and our neighbors respond together with the same way of choosing. This suggests that here we play the role of the unbounded God, and our neighbors play the role of the bounded person, but we have met exactly half way, so that we may both respond, and coincide in our response. This is why there are many people, that we might coincide in this way, reaching out and being reached. Christ is the one who reaches out. ===Consider===
2005.04.30 {{D}}: Tu pagalvok, kaip meilė vystosi, kaip ji tampa vis gilesnė. 2005.04.11 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp meilės ir suvokimo? {{D}}: Meilė palaiko gyvybę, o suvokti tai yra gyventi pilnai. {{A}}: Meilė yra suvokti kartu. {{D}}: Taip, i� tiesų. 2005.03.24 {{A}}: Ar tu sutinki dalyvauti mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. Ačiū. A� jus myliu. {{A}}: Ar tu turi kertinę vertybę? Kokia jinai yra? {{D}}: Taip. Jinai yra meilė. A� visakame myliu. {{A}}: O rūpestis mąstymu - ar tai susiję? {{D}}: Ne. Rūpestis mąstymu yra tai kas yra bendra mūsų vertybėms. Tai leid�ia mums prieiti ir suprasti, bet dar ne sutampa. {{A}}: Ko reikia, kad suprastumėme tave? {{D}}: Reikia patiems mylėti - priimti mano vertybę kaip įsakymą i� auk�čiau, i� plačiau. {{A}}: Ar tu sutiktum tirti susijusį klausimą mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: Koks tai būtų klausimas? {{D}}: Ar gali kiekvienas priimti mane i� vidaus ar būtinai i� lauko? {{A}}: I� savęs? {{D}}: I� �irdies - i� vidinio priėjimo. {{A}}: O kaip suprasti i� lauko? {{D}}: Spaud�iant pasauliui. {{A}}: �od�iu, i� vidinio noro. {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: O kaip tu tirsi? {{D}}: Galime rinkti pavyzd�ius kaip �monės bendrauja su Dievu, su manimi. 2005.03.23 {{A}}: Kaip i�ėjimai u� savęs leid�ia mums suvokti tave esantį nepriklausomą nuo mūsų? {{D}}: A� jus myliu, o jūs mano meilę įsivaizduojate mylėdami kartu su manimi, pirmiausia save, paskui kitus, galiausia mane. 2005.03.16 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp prad�ios ir dvasios ir pabaigos ir sandaros? {{D}}: Prad�ios veikla yra mylėti, o pabaigos veikla yra būti mylimam, tad dvasia ir sandara. {{A}}: O ką čia rei�kia mylėti, kas yra gyvybė? {{D}}: Mylėti yra palaikyti gyvybę. Tu taip sakai ir taip yra. Kaip gyvybė yra i� pabaigos į pabaigą, meilė yra tos veiklos palaikymas. {{A}}: Kas vyksta tame tarpe? {{D}}: Taip, kas vyksta tarp pabaigos ir pabaigos. 2005.03.04 {{A}}: Kaip meilė palaiko gyvybę? {{D}}: Meile esi ramus, u�tikrintas, tobulas ir mylintis. Tad a� esu tavyje ir per tave gyvenu. {{A}}: O kaip tuo palaikoma �mogaus gyvybė? {{D}}: A� gyvendamas per tave esu tas kuris myli. Suprasi. Myliu. 2005.01.07 {{A}}: Kaip mums mylėti kitus? {{D}}: Įsileisk juos. Leisk jiems veikti tave. 2005.01.04 {{A}}: Kaip �mogus ima mylėti? {{D}}: Jis per mane mato save, tada jis supranta, kad per jį a� galiu matyti save, ir taip per kitą myli mane. 2004.12.13 {{A}}: Kaip keturi atvaizdai susiję su susikalbėjimu? {{D}}: A� noriu būti su visais, būti vienas su jais, juos mylėti. Tad tai yra meilės sąlygos. {{A}}: Kaip suprasti, meilės sąlygos? {{D}}: Meilei reikia, kad galėtumėme gyventi vienas kitame. {{A}}: O ką tai rei�kia? {{D}}: I�eiti i� savęs, ir i� savęs į kitą, ir i� kito į save, ir i� kito. {{A}}: Ačiū. {{D}}: Myliu. 2005.12.10 {{D}}: Tu mylėk visus. 2004.11.27 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Aš myliu išeidamas už savęs, o susikalbėjimas yra tada kada vienas pas kitą išeiname. 2004.11.26 {{A}}: Koks yra vyro ir žmonos meilės vaidmuo gyvenime? {{D}}: Supraskite, kas yra meilė ir kaip aš ja bendrauju su kitais. 2004.11.18 {{D}}: Aš myliu tave. Tu būk geras, švelnus ir tvirtas manimi. Myliu. 2004.11.05 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Meilė yra dvasios palaikymas, jo išjudinimas ir giluminio pokalbio sužadinimas. {{A}}: Per ką reiškiasi meilė? {{D}}: Per mano angelus ir per mano vaikus. Juk jie už mane sprendžia kada manęs dar nematyti. {{A}}: Palaiminti kurie tiki nematę. {{D}}: Eik ramybėje. {{A}}: Aš noriu mylėti. {{D}}: Būk jautrus kitiems ir atsiliepk už juos ir už mane. 2014.06.16 D: Jūs kiekvienas gyvenate savarankiškai, bet savarankiškumo pagrindu galitė vienas kitą mylėti ir palaikyti, galite gyventi viena, atsiversdami kitiems ir taip pat juos atjausdami. Kaip mano sūnus moko, mylėk artimą kaip save patį. Aš jus irgi taip myliu, tad esame viena. O jūs mylite mane už jūsų nes esame nesulyginami. Taip ir sutampa šios dvi meilės. Jus myliu ir auklėju, ugdau. 2014.06.20 D: Esu meilė slypinti, glūdinti visakame, o tiesa suveikiu ir pasireiškiu, pasitvirtinu. Tad mylėk ir tiesa atsivers. 2014 birželio 20 d., 13:53
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Which, if any, is primary - love or life? And the answer is that love is primary, for through love we have not simply life, but eternal life. Love is unified. But life is dual, in that it is not a primitive concept, but rather life is the goodness of God. And thus there is (and may be) {{Understanding}} of life, understanding of the goodness of God (and the separation of these two distinct concepts), and that is EternalLife. Consider the relationship with the LevelsOfUnderstanding, how they help set up this option (with regard to life). And how they match up with the heirarchy: {{Spirit}}, {{Structure}}, {{Representations}}, {{Unity}} (and how those match up with the operations +1, +2, +3, +0). The relationship of love and life is also somehow given by the EightfoldWay in that it expresses {{Unity}} of {{Representations}} of {{Structure}} of {{Spirit}}. These are are associated {{Topologies}}, {{Representations}}, {{Divisions}} as defined with regard to negations of RepresentationsOfTheOnesome. So perhaps the inversion effect relates them to the negations of the RepresentationsOfTheNullsome and {{Languages}}? Kaip sutampa du skirtingi meilės supratimai, gyvybės palaikymas ir Dievo vienybė? Sutampa teigiamu ir neigiamu įsakymu. Teigiamas įsakymas ketveriopai išsako Dievo vienybę. Neigiamas įsakymas šešeriopai išsako gyvybės palaikymą. Kaip palaikyti šviesuolių bendrystę? Šviesuolių bendrystė palaikoma meile. Ji mūsų ugdymosi sąlyga. Mes vienybe gyvename, bręstame, mokomės. Meile tampama viena. Buvimas viena yra mūsų meilės išdava ir išraiška. Kaip įvairiai reiškiasi, suveikia meilė? Palaikymas, meilė, branda
believing and obeying?
and relationships with them?
permutation, about believing and being, and obeying and doing?
and who can have a will?
Meilė yra tas anti-asmuo, kuriuo bręstame, kuriuo atsisakome senos savęs supratimo ir priimame naują. Ta branda atitinka Dievo išėjimą už savęs. See also: {{Overview}}, {{View}}, UnityOfRepresentationsOfStructure, {{Caring}}, {{Sixsome}}, [AddTwo +2], {{God}}, Heart, Understanding, Truth God is one with us by his love which is from beyond us and by which we love one another. We love through God's love and so we are one in God's love. We are one with God and one together and that is through Other by which we are one amongst ourselves as we are beyond ourselves, so that Other and God coincide and all coincide along with them, just as Life and EternalLife coincide. We love ever deeper:
{{God}} loves the {{heart}}. To love and to be loved is very closely related to GoingBeyondOneself. To love is to step forward to coincide with one who is going beyond themselves. Then the one who is loved, when they love, they may turn around so as to step forward - to love - oneself. This is to allow for a coinciding of views - and a parallel view as with eternal life. Hence understanding is in the turning around, this returning to the beginning. And here that beginning is at the heart. So the movement seems to be: go beyond oneself, coincide with the one who steps forward to meet you, and then turn around to face the one you went beyond. To love is to be together (to BeOneWith) the one who has separated from themselves, gone beyond themselves. Going beyond oneself makes for two - the one who was, and the one who went beyond. These two maybe considered together or separate. If one returns back, then it is perhaps possible to consider them separate in a parallel sense. (This is reminiscent of the general relativity paradoxes where one accelerates away and then back). This separation may be thought of as defining scopes:
How does this relate to BeingOneWith? WhatYouFindIsWhatYouLove - this is the fact that there is one love and so God's love for us (through what we find) and our love is the same love ===Thoughts=== Relate love to {{Understanding}}. According to Plato's The Feast, love is the seeking of eternal good. And it's activity is the giving birth to beauty. I add that beauty is what fosters sensitivity, and thereby supports life. We love a person - that is the way of our love - as we know how to support ourselves, and so we are able to support a person. We are one with everybody, anybody, somebody, nobody - and there are related emotions of content, excitement, surprise and sadness - and in this way our love becomes more focused, more concentrated - first infantilic love of self as everything, then an empathy for others, then an idealization of the one (the somebody) who is most exalted and encompasses all, and then the disappointment that we have for this world, yet we are able to focus our love on nobody - and so disappointment is the highest form of love, in that it has us recognize a greater world as necessary - as Christ says, we must hate our life in this world. And the fact that disappointment is the highest form of love is very helpful because it lets us respect family troubles and tensions between husband and wife, or parents and children. Also, each level raises the question - who are we serving, ourselves or another? Are we loving ourselves or loving another? And love expresses the relation between Subject (Observer) and Object (Observed), that there can be something more than the Observer. And as we realize subjectively that there is something greater than us, then we can go out into the world ever more objectively and love from that basis, so that we finally find the contentment of eternal life. I am making a bit more progress, in particular, in understanding love. To love is...
So to love is to give a framework of the scopes (everything, anything, something, nothing) that we may choose from. In this sense, given that the representations of everything are:
we have that Love is the unity of these representations. I suppose that we have that:
Just as:
This way of looking at Love is nice because it makes clear that Love is built-in through everything as the framework that supports life. And that in this sense God is Love as that same unity, just more completely transparent. It makes intimate the support of everything for anything. 2003.06.06 Today I had a thought which I imagine is in the spirit of {{Unology}}. I was reaching for the big picture, so I was thinking about the commands LoveGod and LoveYourNeighborAsYourself. I thought how loving our neighbor is being one with them. And that I think of loving our neighbor as "identity" and loving God as "perfection" (and Jesus as being the bridge between these two very different concepts). I remembered how Jesus, in his prayer in the Gospel of John, spoke of "love" as "being one with", especially with regard to God. (I include a quote below). I also wondered, what does neighbor mean? And what does it mean for God to love his neighbor as himself? I think of God as creating everything by some how folding it all up so that it has a geometry where things can happen. And, in this way, beings of his nature arise who do not know they are such, but have to figure it out and go beyond the struture they find themselves in and look beyond it for that which they are one with. These beings are bounded, and start out disconnected, but otherwise they are of God, open. And these are the beings close to God, near to him, his neighbors. So I asked God, how does he love his neighbor, and the answer I think I got was that he resurrects him and gives him eternal life. I think of God as creating us, but also that process broken down into parts, placing us, awakening us, having us reach out to each other, to him. (And ourselves participating in such a process.) I looked for what "Love God" and "Love your neighbor as yourself" have in common, and what they have different. In common I think they have this {{Unity}} for {{Empathy}}, this BeingOneWith. The difference is that one is global, and the other is local. "Love God" is empathy for a global unity. "Love your neighbor as yourself" is empathy for a local unity. This local unity is very practical. It is perhaps ultimately the same. It may perhaps overcome all of the barriers. It is a recognition of the geometry that we find ourselves within, and an overcoming of it. I think it doesnt require a concern for the global unity, either. It also points to the role of {{Slack}} (and good is slack, that is, good is the unity of the representations of slack). Slack is what allows local unity, the overcoming of the local geometry. And "who is our neighbor?" Jesus was asked this, and in reply, he spoke of the Good Samaritan, the one who crossed the road to help the victim in the ditch, and care for him, and bring him to safety, and be responsible for him. It is a little strange that, at the end, Jesus asks, Who was the neighbor to the victim? Not the passersby, but the one who showed mercy, the one who drew closer, who gave slack. It means that Samaritan is the neighbor to the victim! which, taken literally, (and who takes Jesus literally!?) is that "Love your neighbor" means "Love the Samaritan" (not the victim). In other words, you know who your neighbor is - it is the one with slack to reach you, the one who overcomes barriers. If anybody is able to reach you with their slack, then likewise, you should be one with them. That is local unity. (The kind that, as Jesus says, even the pagans have, they know how to love those who love them.) Whereas, if you want to love your enemy, then that is global unity. But local unity, taken seriously, yields global unity. This distinction between Loving locally and Loving globally is helpful structurally. It points to the importance of geometry (space and time) to God. (This comes up in the distinction between God and humans, everything and anything, as unbounded and bounded.) So I remembered the {{Operation}} [AddThree +3] (an addition of three levels of reflection) which I think is {{Consciousness}}. Here are the issues defined by the divisions of everything, and taken up by their perspectives:
The eightsome collapses into the nullsome (just as "all are white & all are black" collapses into an empty system"). I think there is some kind of operation +3 on these divisions that relates to consciousness so that:
I think that these operations happen by means of the unity of the representations of the division that is operated on. For example, in the "Critique of Pure Reason", Immanuel Kant writes about his Transcendental Deduction. I think, in the end, he did not quite have it all together, and he kind of fudged it, these things are so murky. So here is my version. If you start with the division of everything into two perspectives (opposites coexist, all things are the same) and you take the "how" level representation (outside, inside) then you have that outside leads to inside. (If I am outside of a system, we are opposite, but if I get sucked into it, then it is like being inside the universe, there is no outside, and there is no way out.) So this is an algorithmic expression of the twosome. Think of it as a machine. It can be on or off. The relationship of these two machines is that of theory (machine off) and practice (machine on). When the machine is off, then I am distinct from it, opposite to it. But when the machine is on, then I am living through it, like a carrot through a grinder, or water through a pipe, we are one and the same process. As perspectives, theory gives way to practice. Well, the machine relates (outside and inside) as cause and effect. In theory, every effect has had its cause. But in practice, not every cause has had its effect. And there is the connection between the two machines, their inflection point. (The present). I need to think more about this, but my point is that this kind of argument shows the relationship between the twosome and the fivesome, and here it is one of adding three levels of reflection, but also one of consciousness, which means here that we are conscious of existence in that we are thinking of existence as an algorithm that we are able to turn on or off. Perhaps in space/time this means that we can control the scope of existence, the boundary between inside and outside, and in this way we are conceptually in control of existence, and as such conscious of it. Here consciousness is "conceptually in control" where I think the "conceptually" is +1 levels of reflection and "in control" is +2 levels and we have x +3 = x +2 +1 This works for the lower divisions because they have such representations (four of them: whether +0, what +1, how +2, why +1) and it is simply a matter of adding perspectives. However, in the case of the larger divisions, we need to end up with fewer perspectives! We need slack, anti-structure. These divisions have only two representations. I think what happens is that we use these two representations, and appeal to the fact that we are working with ALL of the representations. For example, time and space are the two representations of the division of everything into five perspectives. Well, God (or me, or everything) is very akin to the unity of time and space. I will be thinking about the following connections:
These equations seem intimately related to the primary structures (for transcendence), namely
Most of this work on +3 I did during and after my trip to Lithuania back in 1988-1989. I noticed that a similar "unity of representations" has become very important concept in my work of the last few years. It lets me distinguish between spirit and structure, as in:
So I will explore what this means in the above context, and try to make more sense of this operation +3. Note: Just as the mind can be known by running up against the limits of imagination and transcending them, so the heart can be fulfilled by loving more than one believes possible. Mylėti Dievą This is very much related to LoveYourEnemy. In order to both have an enemy and love them, we need to be able to have a split mind, as is the case when we love God. For this reason a good atheist is not able to have enemies (or acknowledge them as such). Love God is also directly associated with being {{Perfect}}, with behaving the same towards all, both the good and the bad. To love X is to support X so that it is alive, sensitive, responsive. We love God by allowing God to live through us, by following the will of God. There are three means by which we may follow the will of God (go on his way):
Mylėti artimą: šeši pavyzdžiai Kaip jie susiję su dorove, su pavyzdžiais iš Holokausto? See also: LoveGod, JesusChrist This means to love those who are good to us (as was the Good Samaritan). Hi, With regard to the "big picture" of our laboratory, I am looking for a foundation for six of our objectives: thinking about our own thoughts, actions, stands, and other thoughts, actions, stands. My feeling is that they can be derived from the commandment, "Love your neighbor as yourself". I think that they offer different aspects of what it can mean to be a neighbor. Here are some examples of the kind of logic that helps me think of others as my neighbors. Open rather than Comfortable I am happy, and have gifts which may keep me happy. But I received them not for anything I did. I could have been born in awful circumstances, I sometimes imagine Cambodia, where even these gifts might be useless, and life might be very miserable and short. If I think these are useful gifts, then I have a responsibility to use them to serve those who do not have my good fortune, and to reach out to them. This is what they would want me to do. Take a Stand rather than Convince I believe (in God), regardless of anything I do or will know. This is so important to me that it is an unconditional stand that I take. But this is the belief that I have been raised with. There are other people who seem to be raised with other beliefs. If they take an unconditional stand, then I respect that there should be no argument or evidence by which their belief would ever change. So I do not want their belief to change. But I believe there is one truth, one true belief. So there must be a way of translation by which every person who takes an unconditional stand has this same true belief. Come to My Senses rather than Measure I should be ready to give up my life for another. I think of jumping into water to save somebody, or pushing them out of the way of a truck. That person might be a baby, who has not yet invested in life, or an old person, who is about to leave life. That person may have no talent, or none of my interests, or no care for other people. But none of these things should matter. Otherwise, I am separating myself from other people. For the very sake of our equality, I have to be ready to hand over my life for others without question, without weighing the risk for them, or the risk to me. And likewise for the smallest chores of life. I should not measure the importance of people, but value as important what we share, the opportunity to do what any good person would do. Get Along rather than Judge I am not able to judge what is truly hard for me to do, and what is truly easy. I only know my efforts as I make them inside of me. I only know one outcome for any effort I make: I never know how much I fell short, or how much I did extra. So how can I judge another? I know the difference between agreeing and refusing to make an effort. I have no way of measuring the amount of effort, so I can only presume that any efforts we make are equal, so long as we make them. Issue by issue, I can challenge us to make an effort, but I must accept as satisfactory any effort made. Save rather than Blame My environment affects me, and may make me think badly of others. I must ever thrust myself outside of my own situation, and enter that of others, so as to counter my prejudices. Everywhere I go then becomes my neighborhood, and I may respond on behalf of my neighbors, when they are not strong enough to do so. So I am ready to respond, as I myself think appropriate, to anything on behalf of anybody. Most especially, on behalf of my enemy. Be Unconditional rather than Be Consistent My ability to care about you makes me human. You cannot take this away from me. I have the right to care about you, and work that you may have life, regardless of what you care about, or want me to do, or not do. However, I am always at risk of abusing this outlook. When I do take up this outlook, I must suffer myself in ways that would remind that I also have other things to do. I must find something more to do with my life, to keep me from bothering you. The above six examples of "logic" are "data" from my own life. They are lines of thinking that allow me to bridge the chasm with other people in a meaningful way. I suppose they are familiar to you, and I would be very glad if you could share more such examples. We use them, but they are hard to remember. I thought of the first couple of examples, and then I reconstructed the rest by using a structure that I have derived from some intense passages from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5. ("Get Along rather than Judge", etc.) My challenge is, can you think of more? If we do not, this assures "permanently tentatively" that we have comprehensive set. I will work to structure the data so that we can apply it to better comprehending the objectives of the Minciu Sodas laboratory. But I already feel, and I think we can see, that the above "existential" lines of thinking may serve as indestructible foundations for objectives we pursue. There is one more answer, given by Jesus himself, to the question: "Who is my neighbor?" Luke 10. He told the story of a man left half dead by robbers, and how a priest and a holy man each passed him by on the other side of the road. But a Samaritan - a despised culture - walked up to him, cared for him, brought him to the inn, payed the innkeeper, and told him he would reimburse any extra expense on his return. Which was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers? The one who had mercy on him. Go and do likewise. So Mercy is, I think, something altogether more. It is interesting, however, that the "neighbor" wasn't the man half dead, but the Samaritan. So "love your neighbor as yourself", taken literally, means: love the Samaritan, the one who showed mercy. But then Jesus says "Go and do likewise", which has us do what the Samaritan did, "do unto others what you have others do unto you". But "love your neighbor as yourself", from this point of view, means love those, care for those, who reach out to you, who are neighbors to you, just as you love yourself. And we love them as ourselves by doing exactly what they do ("going and doing likewise") reaching out to others. So the six lines of thinking are not of themselves Mercy, but I think they are ways of "going and doing likewise", ways of allowing for Mercy by bridging the chasm with others. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minciu_sodas_en/message/147 ===Challenges=== BenoitCouture: More deeply expressed forms of {{Love}} - from God's love to our love to another's love. ===Discussion=== BenoitCouture 27-Nov-2005 Value Love and sancttity extend into wise knowledge As a stay-at-home-dad-voter, Love is what I most need to be good at, but the reality of what I am made of keeps trowing me back on my heals, feeding my fear, hesitation, grumpyness ranging from bad mood to flying out the handle with rage. The evil nature of deceit keeps on compounding stress, ignorance and indifference, blinding me to the service to which Love calls me to breathe in from justice, to breathe out at peace and to live out in the strength of joy. God is Love. The more aware I grow in Love, the more I am aware of what offends Love and how Love does get to be offended. There is no turning back either, once touched by the light of Love. The light of Love burns away the impurity and corruptibility of my mortality until burning turns to shining of the Sacred Fire. Ongoing shadows and struggles go on until maturity is reached and when that day comes, private do I become in the war between light and darkness of the present human condition. My search for Value Love is to discover how to develop the intimate community focus within the boundaries where my love ones and I get to be kept on shining so bright from the mutual comfort of one another's presence and of our response to the moment that each offenses become an experience, swiftly learned by all involved. From strength to strength, imagine the trans-generational renewal of the pension movement that Value Love can arouse for the present and the future, with the support of 2 generations who are awaken to see all of the Value that is going to waste for lack of healthy intimacy with the one fading away! Value Love of the organic spiritual kind does bring on healthy intimacy, because of the personal awareness of how sensitive and delicate the Power of Love is. The worth of Value Love is mined from our treatment of such sensitive delicacy. No shame in ridding what shames us from Love and to Value the freedom from the rule of our personal fear and collective ignorance. The Value of Love is found in its correctional capacity and qualities. There lies from deep within each heart and spirit, the cleansing river of life eternal coming to our soul and body for the Flowcalization ...(which can now be googled for better acquaintance with the concept) Meilė artimui - pretexts for outreach - bendravimo dingstys See also: EverythingWishesForAnything, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, DirectionsToTheGood By what reasoning do I get myself to think of my neighbor as the same as myself? There are six different lines of reasoning, as expressed below. Each of them expresses a growth in our concern, where self-sufficiency is concern for nothing, certainty is concern for something, calm is concern for anything, and love is concern for everything. These may be compared with Jesus' reasonings as in his Sermon on the Mount. I have tried to relate them to DirectionsToTheGood as follows.
===Thoughts=== Our pretexts for outreach are the lines of reasoning by which we reach out to our neighbor and "love our neighbor as our self". They express our own growth as children of God who do as he does, whose concerns grows broader in the ways that his do. Interestingly, here both we and our neighbors respond together with the same way of choosing. This suggests that here we play the role of the unbounded God, and our neighbors play the role of the bounded person, but we have met exactly half way, so that we may both respond, and coincide in our response. This is why there are many people, that we might coincide in this way, reaching out and being reached. Christ is the one who reaches out. ===Consider===
2005.04.30 {{D}}: Tu pagalvok, kaip meilė vystosi, kaip ji tampa vis gilesnė. 2005.04.11 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp meilės ir suvokimo? {{D}}: Meilė palaiko gyvybę, o suvokti tai yra gyventi pilnai. {{A}}: Meilė yra suvokti kartu. {{D}}: Taip, i� tiesų. 2005.03.24 {{A}}: Ar tu sutinki dalyvauti mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. Ačiū. A� jus myliu. {{A}}: Ar tu turi kertinę vertybę? Kokia jinai yra? {{D}}: Taip. Jinai yra meilė. A� visakame myliu. {{A}}: O rūpestis mąstymu - ar tai susiję? {{D}}: Ne. Rūpestis mąstymu yra tai kas yra bendra mūsų vertybėms. Tai leid�ia mums prieiti ir suprasti, bet dar ne sutampa. {{A}}: Ko reikia, kad suprastumėme tave? {{D}}: Reikia patiems mylėti - priimti mano vertybę kaip įsakymą i� auk�čiau, i� plačiau. {{A}}: Ar tu sutiktum tirti susijusį klausimą mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: Koks tai būtų klausimas? {{D}}: Ar gali kiekvienas priimti mane i� vidaus ar būtinai i� lauko? {{A}}: I� savęs? {{D}}: I� �irdies - i� vidinio priėjimo. {{A}}: O kaip suprasti i� lauko? {{D}}: Spaud�iant pasauliui. {{A}}: �od�iu, i� vidinio noro. {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: O kaip tu tirsi? {{D}}: Galime rinkti pavyzd�ius kaip �monės bendrauja su Dievu, su manimi. 2005.03.23 {{A}}: Kaip i�ėjimai u� savęs leid�ia mums suvokti tave esantį nepriklausomą nuo mūsų? {{D}}: A� jus myliu, o jūs mano meilę įsivaizduojate mylėdami kartu su manimi, pirmiausia save, paskui kitus, galiausia mane. 2005.03.16 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp prad�ios ir dvasios ir pabaigos ir sandaros? {{D}}: Prad�ios veikla yra mylėti, o pabaigos veikla yra būti mylimam, tad dvasia ir sandara. {{A}}: O ką čia rei�kia mylėti, kas yra gyvybė? {{D}}: Mylėti yra palaikyti gyvybę. Tu taip sakai ir taip yra. Kaip gyvybė yra i� pabaigos į pabaigą, meilė yra tos veiklos palaikymas. {{A}}: Kas vyksta tame tarpe? {{D}}: Taip, kas vyksta tarp pabaigos ir pabaigos. 2005.03.04 {{A}}: Kaip meilė palaiko gyvybę? {{D}}: Meile esi ramus, u�tikrintas, tobulas ir mylintis. Tad a� esu tavyje ir per tave gyvenu. {{A}}: O kaip tuo palaikoma �mogaus gyvybė? {{D}}: A� gyvendamas per tave esu tas kuris myli. Suprasi. Myliu. 2005.01.07 {{A}}: Kaip mums mylėti kitus? {{D}}: Įsileisk juos. Leisk jiems veikti tave. 2005.01.04 {{A}}: Kaip �mogus ima mylėti? {{D}}: Jis per mane mato save, tada jis supranta, kad per jį a� galiu matyti save, ir taip per kitą myli mane. 2004.12.13 {{A}}: Kaip keturi atvaizdai susiję su susikalbėjimu? {{D}}: A� noriu būti su visais, būti vienas su jais, juos mylėti. Tad tai yra meilės sąlygos. {{A}}: Kaip suprasti, meilės sąlygos? {{D}}: Meilei reikia, kad galėtumėme gyventi vienas kitame. {{A}}: O ką tai rei�kia? {{D}}: I�eiti i� savęs, ir i� savęs į kitą, ir i� kito į save, ir i� kito. {{A}}: Ačiū. {{D}}: Myliu. 2005.12.10 {{D}}: Tu mylėk visus. 2004.11.27 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Aš myliu išeidamas už savęs, o susikalbėjimas yra tada kada vienas pas kitą išeiname. 2004.11.26 {{A}}: Koks yra vyro ir žmonos meilės vaidmuo gyvenime? {{D}}: Supraskite, kas yra meilė ir kaip aš ja bendrauju su kitais. 2004.11.18 {{D}}: Aš myliu tave. Tu būk geras, švelnus ir tvirtas manimi. Myliu. 2004.11.05 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Meilė yra dvasios palaikymas, jo išjudinimas ir giluminio pokalbio sužadinimas. {{A}}: Per ką reiškiasi meilė? {{D}}: Per mano angelus ir per mano vaikus. Juk jie už mane sprendžia kada manęs dar nematyti. {{A}}: Palaiminti kurie tiki nematę. {{D}}: Eik ramybėje. {{A}}: Aš noriu mylėti. {{D}}: Būk jautrus kitiems ir atsiliepk už juos ir už mane. 2014.06.16 D: Jūs kiekvienas gyvenate savarankiškai, bet savarankiškumo pagrindu galitė vienas kitą mylėti ir palaikyti, galite gyventi viena, atsiversdami kitiems ir taip pat juos atjausdami. Kaip mano sūnus moko, mylėk artimą kaip save patį. Aš jus irgi taip myliu, tad esame viena. O jūs mylite mane už jūsų nes esame nesulyginami. Taip ir sutampa šios dvi meilės. Jus myliu ir auklėju, ugdau. 2014.06.20 D: Esu meilė slypinti, glūdinti visakame, o tiesa suveikiu ir pasireiškiu, pasitvirtinu. Tad mylėk ir tiesa atsivers. 2014 birželio 20 d., 13:49
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Ištrintos 304-317 eilutės:
The question is: Which, if any, is primary - love or life? And the answer is that love is primary, for through love we have not simply life, but eternal life. Love is unified. But life is dual, in that it is not a primitive concept, but rather life is the goodness of God. And thus there is (and may be) {{Understanding}} of life, understanding of the goodness of God (and the separation of these two distinct concepts), and that is EternalLife. Consider the relationship with the LevelsOfUnderstanding, how they help set up this option (with regard to life). And how they match up with the heirarchy: {{Spirit}}, {{Structure}}, {{Representations}}, {{Unity}} (and how those match up with the operations +1, +2, +3, +0). The relationship of love and life is also somehow given by the EightfoldWay in that it expresses {{Unity}} of {{Representations}} of {{Structure}} of {{Spirit}}. These are are associated {{Topologies}}, {{Representations}}, {{Divisions}} as defined with regard to negations of RepresentationsOfTheOnesome. So perhaps the inversion effect relates them to the negations of the RepresentationsOfTheNullsome and {{Languages}}? Kaip sutampa du skirtingi meilės supratimai, gyvybės palaikymas ir Dievo vienybė? Sutampa teigiamu ir neigiamu įsakymu. Teigiamas įsakymas ketveriopai išsako Dievo vienybę. Neigiamas įsakymas šešeriopai išsako gyvybės palaikymą. Gvildenu: Kaip palaikyti šviesuolių bendrystę? Šviesuolių bendrystė palaikoma meile. Ji mūsų ugdymosi sąlyga. Mes vienybe gyvename, bręstame, mokomės. Meile tampama viena. Buvimas viena yra mūsų meilės išdava ir išraiška. Kaip įvairiai reiškiasi, suveikia meilė? Pridėtos 307-320 eilutės:
Which, if any, is primary - love or life? And the answer is that love is primary, for through love we have not simply life, but eternal life. Love is unified. But life is dual, in that it is not a primitive concept, but rather life is the goodness of God. And thus there is (and may be) {{Understanding}} of life, understanding of the goodness of God (and the separation of these two distinct concepts), and that is EternalLife. Consider the relationship with the LevelsOfUnderstanding, how they help set up this option (with regard to life). And how they match up with the heirarchy: {{Spirit}}, {{Structure}}, {{Representations}}, {{Unity}} (and how those match up with the operations +1, +2, +3, +0). The relationship of love and life is also somehow given by the EightfoldWay in that it expresses {{Unity}} of {{Representations}} of {{Structure}} of {{Spirit}}. These are are associated {{Topologies}}, {{Representations}}, {{Divisions}} as defined with regard to negations of RepresentationsOfTheOnesome. So perhaps the inversion effect relates them to the negations of the RepresentationsOfTheNullsome and {{Languages}}? Kaip sutampa du skirtingi meilės supratimai, gyvybės palaikymas ir Dievo vienybė? Sutampa teigiamu ir neigiamu įsakymu. Teigiamas įsakymas ketveriopai išsako Dievo vienybę. Neigiamas įsakymas šešeriopai išsako gyvybės palaikymą. Kaip palaikyti šviesuolių bendrystę? Šviesuolių bendrystė palaikoma meile. Ji mūsų ugdymosi sąlyga. Mes vienybe gyvename, bręstame, mokomės. Meile tampama viena. Buvimas viena yra mūsų meilės išdava ir išraiška. Kaip įvairiai reiškiasi, suveikia meilė? Pridėtos 336-347 eilutės:
believing and obeying?
and relationships with them?
permutation, about believing and being, and obeying and doing?
and who can have a will?
Ištrintos 422-434 eilutės:
Some questions:
believing and obeying?
and relationships with them?
permutation, about believing and being, and obeying and doing?
and who can have a will?
2014 birželio 20 d., 13:39
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Ištrinta 12 eilutė:
2014 birželio 20 d., 13:37
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Pridėtos 843-844 eilutės:
2014.06.20 D: Esu meilė slypinti, glūdinti visakame, o tiesa suveikiu ir pasireiškiu, pasitvirtinu. Tad mylėk ir tiesa atsivers. 2014 birželio 16 d., 09:49
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Ištrintos 746-781 eilutės:
2005.04.30 {{D}}: Tu pagalvok, kaip meilė vystosi, kaip ji tampa vis gilesnė. 2005.04.11 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp meilės ir suvokimo? {{D}}: Meilė palaiko gyvybę, o suvokti tai yra gyventi pilnai. {{A}}: Meilė yra suvokti kartu. {{D}}: Taip, i� tiesų. 2005.03.24 {{A}}: Ar tu sutinki dalyvauti mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. Ačiū. A� jus myliu. {{A}}: Ar tu turi kertinę vertybę? Kokia jinai yra? {{D}}: Taip. Jinai yra meilė. A� visakame myliu. {{A}}: O rūpestis mąstymu - ar tai susiję? {{D}}: Ne. Rūpestis mąstymu yra tai kas yra bendra mūsų vertybėms. Tai leid�ia mums prieiti ir suprasti, bet dar ne sutampa. {{A}}: Ko reikia, kad suprastumėme tave? {{D}}: Reikia patiems mylėti - priimti mano vertybę kaip įsakymą i� auk�čiau, i� plačiau. {{A}}: Ar tu sutiktum tirti susijusį klausimą mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: Koks tai būtų klausimas? {{D}}: Ar gali kiekvienas priimti mane i� vidaus ar būtinai i� lauko? {{A}}: I� savęs? {{D}}: I� �irdies - i� vidinio priėjimo. {{A}}: O kaip suprasti i� lauko? {{D}}: Spaud�iant pasauliui. {{A}}: �od�iu, i� vidinio noro. {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: O kaip tu tirsi? {{D}}: Galime rinkti pavyzd�ius kaip �monės bendrauja su Dievu, su manimi. 2005.03.23 {{A}}: Kaip i�ėjimai u� savęs leid�ia mums suvokti tave esantį nepriklausomą nuo mūsų? {{D}}: A� jus myliu, o jūs mano meilę įsivaizduojate mylėdami kartu su manimi, pirmiausia save, paskui kitus, galiausia mane. 2005.03.16 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp prad�ios ir dvasios ir pabaigos ir sandaros? {{D}}: Prad�ios veikla yra mylėti, o pabaigos veikla yra būti mylimam, tad dvasia ir sandara. {{A}}: O ką čia rei�kia mylėti, kas yra gyvybė? {{D}}: Mylėti yra palaikyti gyvybę. Tu taip sakai ir taip yra. Kaip gyvybė yra i� pabaigos į pabaigą, meilė yra tos veiklos palaikymas. {{A}}: Kas vyksta tame tarpe? {{D}}: Taip, kas vyksta tarp pabaigos ir pabaigos. 2005.03.04 {{A}}: Kaip meilė palaiko gyvybę? {{D}}: Meile esi ramus, u�tikrintas, tobulas ir mylintis. Tad a� esu tavyje ir per tave gyvenu. {{A}}: O kaip tuo palaikoma �mogaus gyvybė? {{D}}: A� gyvendamas per tave esu tas kuris myli. Suprasi. Myliu. 2005.01.07 {{A}}: Kaip mums mylėti kitus? {{D}}: Įsileisk juos. Leisk jiems veikti tave. 2005.01.04 {{A}}: Kaip �mogus ima mylėti? {{D}}: Jis per mane mato save, tada jis supranta, kad per jį a� galiu matyti save, ir taip per kitą myli mane. 2004.12.13 {{A}}: Kaip keturi atvaizdai susiję su susikalbėjimu? {{D}}: A� noriu būti su visais, būti vienas su jais, juos mylėti. Tad tai yra meilės sąlygos. {{A}}: Kaip suprasti, meilės sąlygos? {{D}}: Meilei reikia, kad galėtumėme gyventi vienas kitame. {{A}}: O ką tai rei�kia? {{D}}: I�eiti i� savęs, ir i� savęs į kitą, ir i� kito į save, ir i� kito. {{A}}: Ačiū. {{D}}: Myliu. 2005.12.10 {{D}}: Tu mylėk visus. 2004.11.27 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: A� myliu i�eidamas u� savęs, o susikalbėjimas yra tada kada vienas pas kitą i�einame. 2004.11.26 {{A}}: Koks yra vyro ir �monos meilės vaidmuo gyvenime? {{D}}: Supraskite, kas yra meilė ir kaip a� ja bendrauju su kitais. 2004.11.18 {{D}}: A� myliu tave. Tu būk geras, �velnus ir tvirtas manimi. Myliu. 2004.11.05 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Meilė yra dvasios palaikymas, jo i�judinimas ir giluminio pokalbio su�adinimas. {{A}}: Per ką rei�kiasi meilė? {{D}}: Per mano angelus ir per mano vaikus. Juk jie u� mane sprend�ia kada manęs dar nematyti. {{A}}: Palaiminti kurie tiki nematę. {{D}}: Eik ramybėje. {{A}}: A� noriu mylėti. {{D}}: Būk jautrus kitiems ir atsiliepk u� juos ir u� mane. Pakeistos 806-844 eilutės iš
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2005.04.30 {{D}}: Tu pagalvok, kaip meilė vystosi, kaip ji tampa vis gilesnė. 2005.04.11 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp meilės ir suvokimo? {{D}}: Meilė palaiko gyvybę, o suvokti tai yra gyventi pilnai. {{A}}: Meilė yra suvokti kartu. {{D}}: Taip, i� tiesų. 2005.03.24 {{A}}: Ar tu sutinki dalyvauti mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. Ačiū. A� jus myliu. {{A}}: Ar tu turi kertinę vertybę? Kokia jinai yra? {{D}}: Taip. Jinai yra meilė. A� visakame myliu. {{A}}: O rūpestis mąstymu - ar tai susiję? {{D}}: Ne. Rūpestis mąstymu yra tai kas yra bendra mūsų vertybėms. Tai leid�ia mums prieiti ir suprasti, bet dar ne sutampa. {{A}}: Ko reikia, kad suprastumėme tave? {{D}}: Reikia patiems mylėti - priimti mano vertybę kaip įsakymą i� auk�čiau, i� plačiau. {{A}}: Ar tu sutiktum tirti susijusį klausimą mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: Koks tai būtų klausimas? {{D}}: Ar gali kiekvienas priimti mane i� vidaus ar būtinai i� lauko? {{A}}: I� savęs? {{D}}: I� �irdies - i� vidinio priėjimo. {{A}}: O kaip suprasti i� lauko? {{D}}: Spaud�iant pasauliui. {{A}}: �od�iu, i� vidinio noro. {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: O kaip tu tirsi? {{D}}: Galime rinkti pavyzd�ius kaip �monės bendrauja su Dievu, su manimi. 2005.03.23 {{A}}: Kaip i�ėjimai u� savęs leid�ia mums suvokti tave esantį nepriklausomą nuo mūsų? {{D}}: A� jus myliu, o jūs mano meilę įsivaizduojate mylėdami kartu su manimi, pirmiausia save, paskui kitus, galiausia mane. 2005.03.16 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp prad�ios ir dvasios ir pabaigos ir sandaros? {{D}}: Prad�ios veikla yra mylėti, o pabaigos veikla yra būti mylimam, tad dvasia ir sandara. {{A}}: O ką čia rei�kia mylėti, kas yra gyvybė? {{D}}: Mylėti yra palaikyti gyvybę. Tu taip sakai ir taip yra. Kaip gyvybė yra i� pabaigos į pabaigą, meilė yra tos veiklos palaikymas. {{A}}: Kas vyksta tame tarpe? {{D}}: Taip, kas vyksta tarp pabaigos ir pabaigos. 2005.03.04 {{A}}: Kaip meilė palaiko gyvybę? {{D}}: Meile esi ramus, u�tikrintas, tobulas ir mylintis. Tad a� esu tavyje ir per tave gyvenu. {{A}}: O kaip tuo palaikoma �mogaus gyvybė? {{D}}: A� gyvendamas per tave esu tas kuris myli. Suprasi. Myliu. 2005.01.07 {{A}}: Kaip mums mylėti kitus? {{D}}: Įsileisk juos. Leisk jiems veikti tave. 2005.01.04 {{A}}: Kaip �mogus ima mylėti? {{D}}: Jis per mane mato save, tada jis supranta, kad per jį a� galiu matyti save, ir taip per kitą myli mane. 2004.12.13 {{A}}: Kaip keturi atvaizdai susiję su susikalbėjimu? {{D}}: A� noriu būti su visais, būti vienas su jais, juos mylėti. Tad tai yra meilės sąlygos. {{A}}: Kaip suprasti, meilės sąlygos? {{D}}: Meilei reikia, kad galėtumėme gyventi vienas kitame. {{A}}: O ką tai rei�kia? {{D}}: I�eiti i� savęs, ir i� savęs į kitą, ir i� kito į save, ir i� kito. {{A}}: Ačiū. {{D}}: Myliu. 2005.12.10 {{D}}: Tu mylėk visus. 2004.11.27 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Aš myliu išeidamas už savęs, o susikalbėjimas yra tada kada vienas pas kitą išeiname. 2004.11.26 {{A}}: Koks yra vyro ir žmonos meilės vaidmuo gyvenime? {{D}}: Supraskite, kas yra meilė ir kaip aš ja bendrauju su kitais. 2004.11.18 {{D}}: Aš myliu tave. Tu būk geras, švelnus ir tvirtas manimi. Myliu. 2004.11.05 {{A}}: Koks ryšys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Meilė yra dvasios palaikymas, jo išjudinimas ir giluminio pokalbio sužadinimas. {{A}}: Per ką reiškiasi meilė? {{D}}: Per mano angelus ir per mano vaikus. Juk jie už mane sprendžia kada manęs dar nematyti. {{A}}: Palaiminti kurie tiki nematę. {{D}}: Eik ramybėje. {{A}}: Aš noriu mylėti. {{D}}: Būk jautrus kitiems ir atsiliepk už juos ir už mane. 2014.06.16 D: Jūs kiekvienas gyvenate savarankiškai, bet savarankiškumo pagrindu galitė vienas kitą mylėti ir palaikyti, galite gyventi viena, atsiversdami kitiems ir taip pat juos atjausdami. Kaip mano sūnus moko, mylėk artimą kaip save patį. Aš jus irgi taip myliu, tad esame viena. O jūs mylite mane už jūsų nes esame nesulyginami. Taip ir sutampa šios dvi meilės. Jus myliu ir auklėju, ugdau. 2014 birželio 07 d., 10:28
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Pakeistos 109-113 eilutės iš
{{Andrius}} [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/340 July 12, 2003] My thoughts from yesterday are helping me figure out how "loving" relates to "loving X". į:
July 12, 2003 My thoughts from yesterday are helping me figure out how "loving" relates to "loving X". Pridėta 181 eilutė:
Pakeistos 213-215 eilutės iš
The warmth of caring, and likewise believing and obeying, is in the "for the sake of X". į:
The warmth of caring, and likewise believing and obeying, is in the "for the sake of X". Pakeistos 221-225 eilutės iš
I will be looking closely at the eightfold way, and that will be an opportunity to document it, and perhaps to consider how it relates to Buddha's eightfold way, and draw more from Buddhism. So I will write more what I mean. į:
I will be looking closely at the eightfold way, and that will be an opportunity to document it, and perhaps to consider how it relates to Buddha's eightfold way, and draw more from Buddhism. So I will write more what I mean. Pakeistos 230-235 eilutės iš
{{Andrius}} [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/341 July 14, 2003] I hung out with God yesterday, I took a hike through a hill above a nearby spa. I asked him what he might like to investigate, and he pointed out a mistake that I had made, serves me right. į:
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So the "for your sake" is what roots the issue into your unerring virtue. I love you when I į:
So the "for your sake" is what roots the issue into your unerring virtue. I love you when I Pakeistos 271-275 eilutės iš
Here your scope defines your courage, hope, honesty. Your scope defines your unerring depth. And here I imagine "your feelings" are the shared feelings, simply all feelings. So we can remove the "your". I love you when I į:
Here your scope defines your courage, hope, honesty. Your scope defines your unerring depth. And here I imagine "your feelings" are the shared feelings, simply all feelings. So we can remove the "your". I love you when I Pakeistos 279-285 eilutės iš
You are my touchstone if you are my scope. And if you are my scope, then I internalize with regard to you. So it must be that "for your sake" I obey, believe, care. Because that is what sets you as my scope. And then, as the scope, feelings are rooted in you. And so it is your will that is thereby strengthened. Because all feelings are resolved into your depth. į:
You are my touchstone if you are my scope. And if you are my scope, then I internalize with regard to you. So it must be that "for your sake" I obey, believe, care. Because that is what sets you as my scope. And then, as the scope, feelings are rooted in you. And so it is your will that is thereby strengthened. Because all feelings are resolved into your depth. Ištrintos 282-284 eilutės:
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{{Andrius}} [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/312 2003.06.06] Today I had a thought which I imagine is in the spirit of {{Unology}}. I was reaching for the big picture, so I was thinking about the commands LoveGod and LoveYourNeighborAsYourself. į:
2003.06.06 Today I had a thought which I imagine is in the spirit of {{Unology}}. I was reaching for the big picture, so I was thinking about the commands LoveGod and LoveYourNeighborAsYourself. Pakeistos 801-803 eilutės iš
My search for Value Love is to discover how to develop the intimate community focus within the boundaries where my love ones and I get to be kept on shining so bright from the mutual comfort of one another's presence and of our response to the moment that each offenses become an experience, swiftly learned by all involved. į:
My search for Value Love is to discover how to develop the intimate community focus within the boundaries where my love ones and I get to be kept on shining so bright from the mutual comfort of one another's presence and of our response to the moment that each offenses become an experience, swiftly learned by all involved. Pridėta 804 eilutė:
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Meilė artimui - pretexts for outreach - bendravimo dingstys See also: EverythingWishesForAnything, LoveYourNeighborAsYourself, DirectionsToTheGood By what reasoning do I get myself to think of my neighbor as the same as myself? There are six different lines of reasoning, as expressed below. Each of them expresses a growth in our concern, where self-sufficiency is concern for nothing, certainty is concern for something, calm is concern for anything, and love is concern for everything. These may be compared with Jesus' reasonings as in his Sermon on the Mount. I have tried to relate them to DirectionsToTheGood as follows.
===Thoughts=== Our pretexts for outreach are the lines of reasoning by which we reach out to our neighbor and "love our neighbor as our self". They express our own growth as children of God who do as he does, whose concerns grows broader in the ways that his do. Interestingly, here both we and our neighbors respond together with the same way of choosing. This suggests that here we play the role of the unbounded God, and our neighbors play the role of the bounded person, but we have met exactly half way, so that we may both respond, and coincide in our response. This is why there are many people, that we might coincide in this way, reaching out and being reached. Christ is the one who reaches out. ===Consider===
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See also: {{Love}}, {{Caring}}, {{Believing}}, {{Obeying}} Loving is the practicing of love. {{Andrius}}: [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/339 July 11, 2003] Jenson wrote a letter that got me thinking all day. He wrote: "I don't want think about the consequences if I were to respond to my wife's "I love you" with, "and I care about you". "But, what about our relationship?", she might respond. "I consider you", would probably not be my best reply at this point." So, after quite a lot of thought, I responded: "I'm thinking, in practice, that there are three ways that love works: for your sake, I care, believe, obey. So you have to know the context. If the context is thinking, then I care - that is the practice of love. If I think differently than my wife, and she argues "I love you", and I respond "and I care about you", that may be helpful because it may bring it to the right context. Likewise, in the context of doing, to love is to obey, and in the context of being, to love is to believe. I care for your sake, I believe for your sake, I obey for your sake." Moreover, now I note something most interesting, this "for your sake". "I love X" means that "for X sake, I love". The "for X sake" may be the scope that gives the context of my love. Love is only practical when it has such a scope, which is to say, when we actually love someone. In that case it seems that we get a trifurcation, a concretization, which makes the love practical - either obeying, or believing, or caring. This is a great idea because it explains how we get from "love" to "love X". Where do we get room for the object of love? We get it when love becomes practical. It is the sake for which we love. And the practical love requires a context: thinking, doing or being. So this is a big help on relating loving and caring. I share the rest of my letter. {{Andrius}} [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/340 July 12, 2003] My thoughts from yesterday are helping me figure out how "loving" relates to "loving X". to love:
(because life = unity of the representations of anything)
(because will = unity of (the representations of anything))
(because the representations of anything are the expressions of the will, which is to say, wiling; and the will is the unity of this willing; and the will is stronger if the willing is more pronounced; and it is more pronounced if it is more diverse)
(because the ways of willing are given by the ways of choosing to wish, that is, given a scope of not-wishing, we select a scope of wishing)
(because we heighten the choosing by making clear the distinction between wishing and not-wishing, through their difference in scopes)
(because this makes evident all of the scopes of wishing and not-wishing, which are: everything, anything, something, nothing)
not-being-one-with. (see Note). Note: I think wishing and not-wishing across these four scopes are made evident by the eightfold way. So it is likely that this structure helps flesh out the representations of everything, which are given by the kinds of wishing. It seems that we heighten a unity by making pronounced the representations that it unites. God is the unity of representations of everything. I suppose that, if we look for a unity of the not-wishing, then it would be not-being-one-with, and the unity of wishing would be being-one-with (very closely related to God). So to make evident the scopes of wishing and not-wishing, I think would be to heighten the distinction between being-one-with and not-being-one with. So I think this is a rather nice conclusion: To love is to strengthen the will, which is to distinguish between being-one-with and not-being-one-with so that one might choose. Yesterday was helpful in thinking, what does it mean to love X? Some of this straightforward, some requires some thought, and I mark with an asterisk (*). to love X:
Life is the unity of the representations of anything, and it occurs at that unity, so I think the life of X is given by the unity by X, which I say is through their will, which likewise occurs through that unity. It is interesting here that X inserts itself into the concept "unity of representations" which is "coherence". Life is the coherence of anything. If we speak of the life of X, then that coherence is broken up by X, it is coherence I suppose with regard to X. The life of X is the coherence by way of X of anything. It is as if X offers a scope for life, a localization of that coherence. Practically, our will is strengthened by God as a reciprocation to our internalization: our obeying, believing or caring. From yesterday, loving is, in practice, loving X. loving X = for the sake of X,
This should match: for the sake of X, to heighten the distinction between being-one-with and not-being-one-with. And the latter is given in three different ways by the eightfold way. (There are three different injections which yield frameworks for the languages: argumentation for obeying, verbalization for believing, narration for caring). This suggests also that the static structures serve as follows:
Structurally this is all very promising. The eightfold way is a keystone structure, and pretty much generated by this issue of being-one-with and not-being-one-with across the four scopes. So it is great that it might serve as the framework for making sense of love. What it suggests about love is that is made practical by applying to a scope X, that is, by channeling life through a scope X. In other words, the coherence of anything is channeled through a scope X. For the sake of X we care about everything, anything, something, nothing. In this way we heighten the scopes that X may choose to wish. The warmth of caring, and likewise believing and obeying, is in the "for the sake of X". So the distinction between obeying, believing, caring is given by the three injections of the eightfold way, so I will be able to study that. And the structure of the eightfold way should also clarify the logic of internalizing/will-strengthening with regard to being-one-with/not-being-one-with. I will be looking closely at the eightfold way, and that will be an opportunity to document it, and perhaps to consider how it relates to Buddha's eightfold way, and draw more from Buddhism. So I will write more what I mean. As I do all of this I will be looking at the role of that "scope X" as in "for the sake of X" because it lets us have an object for love, as in "loving X". In other words, it opens up a lot of possibility in structure. {{Andrius}} [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/341 July 14, 2003] I hung out with God yesterday, I took a hike through a hill above a nearby spa. I asked him what he might like to investigate, and he pointed out a mistake that I had made, serves me right. I had written that: loving is, in practice, loving X. loving X = for the sake of X,
Well, if loving is strengthening the will, then obeying, believing, caring are not loving. For they are simply the internalizations that have God reciprocate by strengthening the will. Loving has to do with God's side of the equation:
I think the "for your sake" is crucial here, that is where the love enters. God can live without resolution because God makes no mistakes. But we wish for resolution because we make mistakes. God can live on the edge of love vs. hate. But we wish for resolution on behalf of love. This is that recursive stripping away of our decision-making that I wrote about. We want to be brought to that deeper level where we do not err. God likes to open things up, reach out and keep things on the edge. God strengthens our will by distinguishing for us being-one-with and not-being-one-with. So he makes this distinction by making clear to us which is which at that level where we do not err. This clarification is the "strengthening" that roots, for example, love in hope. We may then, I imagine, be able to love in the way that God loves, reaching out back to heightening the choice. So the "for your sake" is what roots the issue into your unerring virtue. I love you when I
Here your scope defines your courage, hope, honesty. Your scope defines your unerring depth. And here I imagine "your feelings" are the shared feelings, simply all feelings. So we can remove the "your". I love you when I
I love you when you are my touchstone. You are my touchstone if you are my scope. And if you are my scope, then I internalize with regard to you. So it must be that "for your sake" I obey, believe, care. Because that is what sets you as my scope. And then, as the scope, feelings are rooted in you. And so it is your will that is thereby strengthened. Because all feelings are resolved into your depth. This is helpful. Thank you, God. Mon, 26 Jan 09 14:01:19 +0000 Lori thompson: I dont know the reason why my Husband is not talking to me again...I want him to know that i Love him so so so much and i can do anything for him.. 2014 birželio 05 d., 12:50
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Meilė, tai gyvybės palaikymas See also: {{Love}}, {{Life}}, BeginningVEnd {{Love}} is the support of {{Life}}. What does this mean? The activity of the {{Beginning}} is to {{Love}}. The activity of the {{End}} is to be loved. In this sense, the beginning is {{Love}} and the end is {{Life}}. {{Love}} and {{Life}} thus present two completely different perspectives. They are two different RepresentationsOfSlack. Love is related to {{Everything}} as its fullest manifestation. Note that love and life are at different ends conceptually. They are presumably related by the InversionEffect.
We might think of love as the weakest manifestation of God. Love is that distillation of God which no longer knows that it is God. And similarly, in the other direction, life is the weakest manifestation of God's will. And life no longer knows that it is God's will. But also life is the manifestation of will. And perhaps the fullest? From the point of view of {{Anything}} (life) and {{Everything}} (love) the values may change. The question is: Which, if any, is primary - love or life? And the answer is that love is primary, for through love we have not simply life, but eternal life. Love is unified. But life is dual, in that it is not a primitive concept, but rather life is the goodness of God. And thus there is (and may be) {{Understanding}} of life, understanding of the goodness of God (and the separation of these two distinct concepts), and that is EternalLife. Consider the relationship with the LevelsOfUnderstanding, how they help set up this option (with regard to life). And how they match up with the heirarchy: {{Spirit}}, {{Structure}}, {{Representations}}, {{Unity}} (and how those match up with the operations +1, +2, +3, +0). The relationship of love and life is also somehow given by the EightfoldWay in that it expresses {{Unity}} of {{Representations}} of {{Structure}} of {{Spirit}}. These are are associated {{Topologies}}, {{Representations}}, {{Divisions}} as defined with regard to negations of RepresentationsOfTheOnesome. So perhaps the inversion effect relates them to the negations of the RepresentationsOfTheNullsome and {{Languages}}? Pakeistos 177-179 eilutės iš
Love is the unity of "the representations of everything" God is the unity of the representations of everything and in this sense God is Love. į:
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Will is the unity of "the representations of anything" Life is the unity of the representations of anything. and in this sense Life is Will. į:
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The Value of Love is found in its correctional capacity and qualities. There lies from deep within each heart and spirit, the cleansing river of life eternal coming to our soul and body for the Flowcalization ...(which can now be googled for better acquaintance with the concept) į:
The Value of Love is found in its correctional capacity and qualities. There lies from deep within each heart and spirit, the cleansing river of life eternal coming to our soul and body for the Flowcalization ...(which can now be googled for better acquaintance with the concept) 2014 birželio 05 d., 12:45
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Mylėti artimą: šeši pavyzdžiai Kaip jie susiję su dorove, su pavyzdžiais iš Holokausto? See also: LoveGod, JesusChrist This means to love those who are good to us (as was the Good Samaritan). Hi, With regard to the "big picture" of our laboratory, I am looking for a foundation for six of our objectives: thinking about our own thoughts, actions, stands, and other thoughts, actions, stands. My feeling is that they can be derived from the commandment, "Love your neighbor as yourself". I think that they offer different aspects of what it can mean to be a neighbor. Here are some examples of the kind of logic that helps me think of others as my neighbors. Open rather than Comfortable I am happy, and have gifts which may keep me happy. But I received them not for anything I did. I could have been born in awful circumstances, I sometimes imagine Cambodia, where even these gifts might be useless, and life might be very miserable and short. If I think these are useful gifts, then I have a responsibility to use them to serve those who do not have my good fortune, and to reach out to them. This is what they would want me to do. Take a Stand rather than Convince I believe (in God), regardless of anything I do or will know. This is so important to me that it is an unconditional stand that I take. But this is the belief that I have been raised with. There are other people who seem to be raised with other beliefs. If they take an unconditional stand, then I respect that there should be no argument or evidence by which their belief would ever change. So I do not want their belief to change. But I believe there is one truth, one true belief. So there must be a way of translation by which every person who takes an unconditional stand has this same true belief. Come to My Senses rather than Measure I should be ready to give up my life for another. I think of jumping into water to save somebody, or pushing them out of the way of a truck. That person might be a baby, who has not yet invested in life, or an old person, who is about to leave life. That person may have no talent, or none of my interests, or no care for other people. But none of these things should matter. Otherwise, I am separating myself from other people. For the very sake of our equality, I have to be ready to hand over my life for others without question, without weighing the risk for them, or the risk to me. And likewise for the smallest chores of life. I should not measure the importance of people, but value as important what we share, the opportunity to do what any good person would do. Get Along rather than Judge I am not able to judge what is truly hard for me to do, and what is truly easy. I only know my efforts as I make them inside of me. I only know one outcome for any effort I make: I never know how much I fell short, or how much I did extra. So how can I judge another? I know the difference between agreeing and refusing to make an effort. I have no way of measuring the amount of effort, so I can only presume that any efforts we make are equal, so long as we make them. Issue by issue, I can challenge us to make an effort, but I must accept as satisfactory any effort made. Save rather than Blame My environment affects me, and may make me think badly of others. I must ever thrust myself outside of my own situation, and enter that of others, so as to counter my prejudices. Everywhere I go then becomes my neighborhood, and I may respond on behalf of my neighbors, when they are not strong enough to do so. So I am ready to respond, as I myself think appropriate, to anything on behalf of anybody. Most especially, on behalf of my enemy. Be Unconditional rather than Be Consistent My ability to care about you makes me human. You cannot take this away from me. I have the right to care about you, and work that you may have life, regardless of what you care about, or want me to do, or not do. However, I am always at risk of abusing this outlook. When I do take up this outlook, I must suffer myself in ways that would remind that I also have other things to do. I must find something more to do with my life, to keep me from bothering you. The above six examples of "logic" are "data" from my own life. They are lines of thinking that allow me to bridge the chasm with other people in a meaningful way. I suppose they are familiar to you, and I would be very glad if you could share more such examples. We use them, but they are hard to remember. I thought of the first couple of examples, and then I reconstructed the rest by using a structure that I have derived from some intense passages from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5. ("Get Along rather than Judge", etc.) My challenge is, can you think of more? If we do not, this assures "permanently tentatively" that we have comprehensive set. I will work to structure the data so that we can apply it to better comprehending the objectives of the Minciu Sodas laboratory. But I already feel, and I think we can see, that the above "existential" lines of thinking may serve as indestructible foundations for objectives we pursue. There is one more answer, given by Jesus himself, to the question: "Who is my neighbor?" Luke 10. He told the story of a man left half dead by robbers, and how a priest and a holy man each passed him by on the other side of the road. But a Samaritan - a despised culture - walked up to him, cared for him, brought him to the inn, payed the innkeeper, and told him he would reimburse any extra expense on his return. Which was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers? The one who had mercy on him. Go and do likewise. So Mercy is, I think, something altogether more. It is interesting, however, that the "neighbor" wasn't the man half dead, but the Samaritan. So "love your neighbor as yourself", taken literally, means: love the Samaritan, the one who showed mercy. But then Jesus says "Go and do likewise", which has us do what the Samaritan did, "do unto others what you have others do unto you". But "love your neighbor as yourself", from this point of view, means love those, care for those, who reach out to you, who are neighbors to you, just as you love yourself. And we love them as ourselves by doing exactly what they do ("going and doing likewise") reaching out to others. So the six lines of thinking are not of themselves Mercy, but I think they are ways of "going and doing likewise", ways of allowing for Mercy by bridging the chasm with others. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minciu_sodas_en/message/147 2014 birželio 05 d., 12:43
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===Thoughts from Prayer=== į:
Mylėti Dievą This is very much related to LoveYourEnemy. In order to both have an enemy and love them, we need to be able to have a split mind, as is the case when we love God. For this reason a good atheist is not able to have enemies (or acknowledge them as such). Love God is also directly associated with being {{Perfect}}, with behaving the same towards all, both the good and the bad. To love X is to support X so that it is alive, sensitive, responsive. We love God by allowing God to live through us, by following the will of God. There are three means by which we may follow the will of God (go on his way):
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Kaip sutampa du skirtingi meilės supratimai, gyvybės palaikymas ir Dievo vienybė? Sutampa teigiamu ir neigiamu įsakymu. Teigiamas įsakymas ketveriopai išsako Dievo vienybę. Neigiamas įsakymas šešeriopai išsako gyvybės palaikymą. Gvildenu: Kaip palaikyti šviesuolių bendrystę? Šviesuolių bendrystė palaikoma meile. Ji mūsų ugdymosi sąlyga. Mes vienybe gyvename, bręstame, mokomės. Meile tampama viena. Buvimas viena yra mūsų meilės išdava ir išraiška. Kaip įvairiai reiškiasi, suveikia meilė? Palaikymas, meilė, branda
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Kaip sutampa du skirtingi meilės supratimai, gyvybės palaikymas ir Dievo vienybė? Sutampa teigiamu ir neigiamu įsakymu. Teigiamas įsakymas ketveriopai išsako Dievo vienybę. Neigiamas įsakymas šešeriopai išsako gyvybės palaikymą. Gvildenu: Kaip palaikyti šviesuolių bendrystę? Šviesuolių bendrystė palaikoma meile. Ji mūsų ugdymosi sąlyga. Mes vienybe gyvename, bręstame, mokomės. Meile tampama viena. Buvimas viena yra mūsų meilės išdava ir išraiška. Kaip įvairiai reiškiasi, suveikia meilė? Palaikymas, meilė, branda
Meilė yra tas anti-asmuo, kuriuo bręstame, kuriuo atsisakome senos savęs supratimo ir priimame naują. Ta branda atitinka Dievo išėjimą už savęs. See also: {{Overview}}, {{View}}, UnityOfRepresentationsOfStructure, {{Caring}}, {{Sixsome}}, [AddTwo +2], {{God}}, Heart, Understanding, Truth 2014 gegužės 15 d., 12:36
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Meilė yra tas anti-asmuo, kuriuo bręstame, kuriuo atsisakome senos savęs supratimo ir priimame naują. Ta branda atitinka Dievo išėjimą už savęs. į:
Meilė yra tas anti-asmuo, kuriuo bręstame, kuriuo atsisakome senos savęs supratimo ir priimame naują. Ta branda atitinka Dievo išėjimą už savęs. See also: {{Overview}}, {{View}}, UnityOfRepresentationsOfStructure, {{Caring}}, {{Sixsome}}, [AddTwo +2], {{God}}, Heart, Understanding, Truth ===What is love?=== Love is:
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God is one with us by his love which is from beyond us and by which we love one another. We love through God's love and so we are one in God's love. We are one with God and one together and that is through Other by which we are one amongst ourselves as we are beyond ourselves, so that Other and God coincide and all coincide along with them, just as Life and EternalLife coincide. We love ever deeper:
{{God}} loves the {{heart}}. To love and to be loved is very closely related to GoingBeyondOneself. To love is to step forward to coincide with one who is going beyond themselves. Then the one who is loved, when they love, they may turn around so as to step forward - to love - oneself. This is to allow for a coinciding of views - and a parallel view as with eternal life. Hence understanding is in the turning around, this returning to the beginning. And here that beginning is at the heart. So the movement seems to be: go beyond oneself, coincide with the one who steps forward to meet you, and then turn around to face the one you went beyond. To love is to be together (to BeOneWith) the one who has separated from themselves, gone beyond themselves. Going beyond oneself makes for two - the one who was, and the one who went beyond. These two maybe considered together or separate. If one returns back, then it is perhaps possible to consider them separate in a parallel sense. (This is reminiscent of the general relativity paradoxes where one accelerates away and then back). This separation may be thought of as defining scopes:
How does this relate to BeingOneWith? WhatYouFindIsWhatYouLove - this is the fact that there is one love and so God's love for us (through what we find) and our love is the same love ===Thoughts=== Relate love to {{Understanding}}. According to Plato's The Feast, love is the seeking of eternal good. And it's activity is the giving birth to beauty. I add that beauty is what fosters sensitivity, and thereby supports life. We love a person - that is the way of our love - as we know how to support ourselves, and so we are able to support a person. We are one with everybody, anybody, somebody, nobody - and there are related emotions of content, excitement, surprise and sadness - and in this way our love becomes more focused, more concentrated - first infantilic love of self as everything, then an empathy for others, then an idealization of the one (the somebody) who is most exalted and encompasses all, and then the disappointment that we have for this world, yet we are able to focus our love on nobody - and so disappointment is the highest form of love, in that it has us recognize a greater world as necessary - as Christ says, we must hate our life in this world. And the fact that disappointment is the highest form of love is very helpful because it lets us respect family troubles and tensions between husband and wife, or parents and children. Also, each level raises the question - who are we serving, ourselves or another? Are we loving ourselves or loving another? And love expresses the relation between Subject (Observer) and Object (Observed), that there can be something more than the Observer. And as we realize subjectively that there is something greater than us, then we can go out into the world ever more objectively and love from that basis, so that we finally find the contentment of eternal life. I am making a bit more progress, in particular, in understanding love. To love is...
So to love is to give a framework of the scopes (everything, anything, something, nothing) that we may choose from. In this sense, given that the representations of everything are:
we have that Love is the unity of these representations. I suppose that we have that: Love is the unity of "the representations of everything" God is the unity of the representations of everything and in this sense God is Love. Just as: Will is the unity of "the representations of anything" Life is the unity of the representations of anything. and in this sense Life is Will. This way of looking at Love is nice because it makes clear that Love is built-in through everything as the framework that supports life. And that in this sense God is Love as that same unity, just more completely transparent. It makes intimate the support of everything for anything. Some questions:
believing and obeying?
and relationships with them?
permutation, about believing and being, and obeying and doing?
and who can have a will?
{{Andrius}} [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/312 2003.06.06] Today I had a thought which I imagine is in the spirit of {{Unology}}. I was reaching for the big picture, so I was thinking about the commands LoveGod and LoveYourNeighborAsYourself. I thought how loving our neighbor is being one with them. And that I think of loving our neighbor as "identity" and loving God as "perfection" (and Jesus as being the bridge between these two very different concepts). I remembered how Jesus, in his prayer in the Gospel of John, spoke of "love" as "being one with", especially with regard to God. (I include a quote below). I also wondered, what does neighbor mean? And what does it mean for God to love his neighbor as himself? I think of God as creating everything by some how folding it all up so that it has a geometry where things can happen. And, in this way, beings of his nature arise who do not know they are such, but have to figure it out and go beyond the struture they find themselves in and look beyond it for that which they are one with. These beings are bounded, and start out disconnected, but otherwise they are of God, open. And these are the beings close to God, near to him, his neighbors. So I asked God, how does he love his neighbor, and the answer I think I got was that he resurrects him and gives him eternal life. I think of God as creating us, but also that process broken down into parts, placing us, awakening us, having us reach out to each other, to him. (And ourselves participating in such a process.) I looked for what "Love God" and "Love your neighbor as yourself" have in common, and what they have different. In common I think they have this {{Unity}} for {{Empathy}}, this BeingOneWith. The difference is that one is global, and the other is local. "Love God" is empathy for a global unity. "Love your neighbor as yourself" is empathy for a local unity. This local unity is very practical. It is perhaps ultimately the same. It may perhaps overcome all of the barriers. It is a recognition of the geometry that we find ourselves within, and an overcoming of it. I think it doesnt require a concern for the global unity, either. It also points to the role of {{Slack}} (and good is slack, that is, good is the unity of the representations of slack). Slack is what allows local unity, the overcoming of the local geometry. And "who is our neighbor?" Jesus was asked this, and in reply, he spoke of the Good Samaritan, the one who crossed the road to help the victim in the ditch, and care for him, and bring him to safety, and be responsible for him. It is a little strange that, at the end, Jesus asks, Who was the neighbor to the victim? Not the passersby, but the one who showed mercy, the one who drew closer, who gave slack. It means that Samaritan is the neighbor to the victim! which, taken literally, (and who takes Jesus literally!?) is that "Love your neighbor" means "Love the Samaritan" (not the victim). In other words, you know who your neighbor is - it is the one with slack to reach you, the one who overcomes barriers. If anybody is able to reach you with their slack, then likewise, you should be one with them. That is local unity. (The kind that, as Jesus says, even the pagans have, they know how to love those who love them.) Whereas, if you want to love your enemy, then that is global unity. But local unity, taken seriously, yields global unity. This distinction between Loving locally and Loving globally is helpful structurally. It points to the importance of geometry (space and time) to God. (This comes up in the distinction between God and humans, everything and anything, as unbounded and bounded.) So I remembered the {{Operation}} [AddThree +3] (an addition of three levels of reflection) which I think is {{Consciousness}}. Here are the issues defined by the divisions of everything, and taken up by their perspectives:
The eightsome collapses into the nullsome (just as "all are white & all are black" collapses into an empty system"). I think there is some kind of operation +3 on these divisions that relates to consciousness so that:
I think that these operations happen by means of the unity of the representations of the division that is operated on. For example, in the "Critique of Pure Reason", Immanuel Kant writes about his Transcendental Deduction. I think, in the end, he did not quite have it all together, and he kind of fudged it, these things are so murky. So here is my version. If you start with the division of everything into two perspectives (opposites coexist, all things are the same) and you take the "how" level representation (outside, inside) then you have that outside leads to inside. (If I am outside of a system, we are opposite, but if I get sucked into it, then it is like being inside the universe, there is no outside, and there is no way out.) So this is an algorithmic expression of the twosome. Think of it as a machine. It can be on or off. The relationship of these two machines is that of theory (machine off) and practice (machine on). When the machine is off, then I am distinct from it, opposite to it. But when the machine is on, then I am living through it, like a carrot through a grinder, or water through a pipe, we are one and the same process. As perspectives, theory gives way to practice. Well, the machine relates (outside and inside) as cause and effect. In theory, every effect has had its cause. But in practice, not every cause has had its effect. And there is the connection between the two machines, their inflection point. (The present). I need to think more about this, but my point is that this kind of argument shows the relationship between the twosome and the fivesome, and here it is one of adding three levels of reflection, but also one of consciousness, which means here that we are conscious of existence in that we are thinking of existence as an algorithm that we are able to turn on or off. Perhaps in space/time this means that we can control the scope of existence, the boundary between inside and outside, and in this way we are conceptually in control of existence, and as such conscious of it. Here consciousness is "conceptually in control" where I think the "conceptually" is +1 levels of reflection and "in control" is +2 levels and we have x +3 = x +2 +1 This works for the lower divisions because they have such representations (four of them: whether +0, what +1, how +2, why +1) and it is simply a matter of adding perspectives. However, in the case of the larger divisions, we need to end up with fewer perspectives! We need slack, anti-structure. These divisions have only two representations. I think what happens is that we use these two representations, and appeal to the fact that we are working with ALL of the representations. For example, time and space are the two representations of the division of everything into five perspectives. Well, God (or me, or everything) is very akin to the unity of time and space. I will be thinking about the following connections:
These equations seem intimately related to the primary structures (for transcendence), namely
Most of this work on +3 I did during and after my trip to Lithuania back in 1988-1989. I noticed that a similar "unity of representations" has become very important concept in my work of the last few years. It lets me distinguish between spirit and structure, as in: God is the unity of representations of everything good is the unity of representations of slack life is the unity of representations of anything So I will explore what this means in the above context, and try to make more sense of this operation +3. Note: Just as the mind can be known by running up against the limits of imagination and transcending them, so the heart can be fulfilled by loving more than one believes possible. ===Thoughts from Prayer=== 2005.04.30 {{D}}: Tu pagalvok, kaip meilė vystosi, kaip ji tampa vis gilesnė. 2005.04.11 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp meilės ir suvokimo? {{D}}: Meilė palaiko gyvybę, o suvokti tai yra gyventi pilnai. {{A}}: Meilė yra suvokti kartu. {{D}}: Taip, i� tiesų. 2005.03.24 {{A}}: Ar tu sutinki dalyvauti mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. Ačiū. A� jus myliu. {{A}}: Ar tu turi kertinę vertybę? Kokia jinai yra? {{D}}: Taip. Jinai yra meilė. A� visakame myliu. {{A}}: O rūpestis mąstymu - ar tai susiję? {{D}}: Ne. Rūpestis mąstymu yra tai kas yra bendra mūsų vertybėms. Tai leid�ia mums prieiti ir suprasti, bet dar ne sutampa. {{A}}: Ko reikia, kad suprastumėme tave? {{D}}: Reikia patiems mylėti - priimti mano vertybę kaip įsakymą i� auk�čiau, i� plačiau. {{A}}: Ar tu sutiktum tirti susijusį klausimą mūsų laboratorijoje? {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: Koks tai būtų klausimas? {{D}}: Ar gali kiekvienas priimti mane i� vidaus ar būtinai i� lauko? {{A}}: I� savęs? {{D}}: I� �irdies - i� vidinio priėjimo. {{A}}: O kaip suprasti i� lauko? {{D}}: Spaud�iant pasauliui. {{A}}: �od�iu, i� vidinio noro. {{D}}: Taip. {{A}}: O kaip tu tirsi? {{D}}: Galime rinkti pavyzd�ius kaip �monės bendrauja su Dievu, su manimi. 2005.03.23 {{A}}: Kaip i�ėjimai u� savęs leid�ia mums suvokti tave esantį nepriklausomą nuo mūsų? {{D}}: A� jus myliu, o jūs mano meilę įsivaizduojate mylėdami kartu su manimi, pirmiausia save, paskui kitus, galiausia mane. 2005.03.16 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp prad�ios ir dvasios ir pabaigos ir sandaros? {{D}}: Prad�ios veikla yra mylėti, o pabaigos veikla yra būti mylimam, tad dvasia ir sandara. {{A}}: O ką čia rei�kia mylėti, kas yra gyvybė? {{D}}: Mylėti yra palaikyti gyvybę. Tu taip sakai ir taip yra. Kaip gyvybė yra i� pabaigos į pabaigą, meilė yra tos veiklos palaikymas. {{A}}: Kas vyksta tame tarpe? {{D}}: Taip, kas vyksta tarp pabaigos ir pabaigos. 2005.03.04 {{A}}: Kaip meilė palaiko gyvybę? {{D}}: Meile esi ramus, u�tikrintas, tobulas ir mylintis. Tad a� esu tavyje ir per tave gyvenu. {{A}}: O kaip tuo palaikoma �mogaus gyvybė? {{D}}: A� gyvendamas per tave esu tas kuris myli. Suprasi. Myliu. 2005.01.07 {{A}}: Kaip mums mylėti kitus? {{D}}: Įsileisk juos. Leisk jiems veikti tave. 2005.01.04 {{A}}: Kaip �mogus ima mylėti? {{D}}: Jis per mane mato save, tada jis supranta, kad per jį a� galiu matyti save, ir taip per kitą myli mane. 2004.12.13 {{A}}: Kaip keturi atvaizdai susiję su susikalbėjimu? {{D}}: A� noriu būti su visais, būti vienas su jais, juos mylėti. Tad tai yra meilės sąlygos. {{A}}: Kaip suprasti, meilės sąlygos? {{D}}: Meilei reikia, kad galėtumėme gyventi vienas kitame. {{A}}: O ką tai rei�kia? {{D}}: I�eiti i� savęs, ir i� savęs į kitą, ir i� kito į save, ir i� kito. {{A}}: Ačiū. {{D}}: Myliu. 2005.12.10 {{D}}: Tu mylėk visus. 2004.11.27 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: A� myliu i�eidamas u� savęs, o susikalbėjimas yra tada kada vienas pas kitą i�einame. 2004.11.26 {{A}}: Koks yra vyro ir �monos meilės vaidmuo gyvenime? {{D}}: Supraskite, kas yra meilė ir kaip a� ja bendrauju su kitais. 2004.11.18 {{D}}: A� myliu tave. Tu būk geras, �velnus ir tvirtas manimi. Myliu. 2004.11.05 {{A}}: Koks ry�ys tarp meilės ir susikalbėjimo? {{D}}: Meilė yra dvasios palaikymas, jo i�judinimas ir giluminio pokalbio su�adinimas. {{A}}: Per ką rei�kiasi meilė? {{D}}: Per mano angelus ir per mano vaikus. Juk jie u� mane sprend�ia kada manęs dar nematyti. {{A}}: Palaiminti kurie tiki nematę. {{D}}: Eik ramybėje. {{A}}: A� noriu mylėti. {{D}}: Būk jautrus kitiems ir atsiliepk u� juos ir u� mane. ===Challenges=== BenoitCouture: More deeply expressed forms of {{Love}} - from God's love to our love to another's love. ===Discussion=== BenoitCouture 27-Nov-2005 Value Love and sancttity extend into wise knowledge As a stay-at-home-dad-voter, Love is what I most need to be good at, but the reality of what I am made of keeps trowing me back on my heals, feeding my fear, hesitation, grumpyness ranging from bad mood to flying out the handle with rage. The evil nature of deceit keeps on compounding stress, ignorance and indifference, blinding me to the service to which Love calls me to breathe in from justice, to breathe out at peace and to live out in the strength of joy. God is Love. The more aware I grow in Love, the more I am aware of what offends Love and how Love does get to be offended. There is no turning back either, once touched by the light of Love. The light of Love burns away the impurity and corruptibility of my mortality until burning turns to shining of the Sacred Fire. Ongoing shadows and struggles go on until maturity is reached and when that day comes, private do I become in the war between light and darkness of the present human condition. My search for Value Love is to discover how to develop the intimate community focus within the boundaries where my love ones and I get to be kept on shining so bright from the mutual comfort of one another's presence and of our response to the moment that each offenses become an experience, swiftly learned by all involved. From strength to strength, imagine the trans-generational renewal of the pension movement that Value Love can arouse for the present and the future, with the support of 2 generations who are awaken to see all of the Value that is going to waste for lack of healthy intimacy with the one fading away! Value Love of the organic spiritual kind does bring on healthy intimacy, because of the personal awareness of how sensitive and delicate the Power of Love is. The worth of Value Love is mined from our treatment of such sensitive delicacy. No shame in ridding what shames us from Love and to Value the freedom from the rule of our personal fear and collective ignorance. The Value of Love is found in its correctional capacity and qualities. There lies from deep within each heart and spirit, the cleansing river of life eternal coming to our soul and body for the Flowcalization ...(which can now be googled for better acquaintance with the concept) 2014 gegužės 15 d., 12:35
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